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post Sep 21 2006, 09:28 PM, updated 20y ago

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With the news of XBox 360 will get a 1080p dashboard update, do u think that it would be more difficult for Sony to justify PS3' price.
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post Sep 21 2006, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(g5sim @ Sep 21 2006, 09:28 PM)
With the news of XBox 360 will get a 1080p dashboard update, do u think that it would be more difficult for Sony to justify PS3' price.
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Um, I think no because it just an upscale, and not true 1080p. Unless 1080p on PS3 is just an upscale as well, I don't think it would matter if Xbox 360 supports 1080p.
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post Sep 21 2006, 09:44 PM

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in wat form?
the performing is more powerful than ps3....
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i think the price will remain at the stable no matter how......ha ha ha

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post Sep 21 2006, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(mzaidi @ Sep 21 2006, 08:40 AM)
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Um, I think no because it just an upscale, and not true 1080p. Unless 1080p on PS3 is just an upscale as well, I don't think it would matter if Xbox 360 supports 1080p.
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It's definitely possible for them to make true 1080p games. But like they said, they see no value in it. Most PS3 games won't be 1080p either.
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post Sep 22 2006, 12:16 AM

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i hope the next dashboard update would add more options for the output resolution thru VGA to support 1680x1050 and 1920x1200 LCD panel as well. thumbup.gif
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post Sep 22 2006, 01:27 AM

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Sony: We've Got the Real 1080p

In the wake of yesterday's 1080p news from Microsoft, Sony has responded by downplaying the Xbox 360 upgrade. Sony also said it is "unfortunate" that the upcoming HD DVD player for 360 won't improve gaming on the console. [Update: Microsoft responds]

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Yesterday we reported on Microsoft's HD DVD plans (in Japan) and the somewhat surprising news that with the fall software update the Xbox 360 will be 1080p capable.

Many industry observers have viewed these moves by Microsoft simply as "me too" announcements. Sony has invested a lot in the PlayStation 3 and Blu-ray, and you can bet their marketing team will soon be emphasizing the Blu-ray functionality and 1080p output. Microsoft surely doesn't want to be buried by all this talk, and so they can now claim to have a high-definition movie player and 1080p output as well-at least that seems to be the general thinking.

So what is Sony's reaction to this latest Microsoft news? Brian Crecente of the popular Kotaku blog heard from Dave Karraker, senior director for corporate communications at Sony Computer Entertainment America, who harped on the fact that the HD DVD player won't improve the gaming experience on the 360 (MS still insists it won't be used for games).

"It's unfortunate that Microsoft's external HD-DVD drive will not enhance the experience at all for the gamer," said Karraker. "Sony realizes that to truly take gaming into the next generation requires a larger data format for both games and movies. PS3 uses the Blu-ray format for gaming, giving developers 50 GB of high-definition storage on a single disc, while Microsoft's 9 GB DVD gaming format is an obstacle for storing HD content."

As for Microsoft's 1080p announcement, Karraker noted that the software update still doesn't enable true HD on the Xbox 360. "Furthermore, Microsoft's announced HD games patch is really just a compatibility feature -- upscaling lower-resolution content does not make it Full HD (1080p), something that PS3 can do out of the box," he said.

[UPDATE] After getting word of Sony's comments Microsoft told GameDaily BIZ that contrary to the SCEA statement, "The facts are that with this software update, video and game content developed for 1080p will be output at 1080p -- native, not upscaled. Only content developed for lower resolutions will be upscaled."


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post Sep 22 2006, 09:38 AM

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Haha eventhough xbox360 got 1080p but PS3 is still the best. it can perform but PS3 got the strong game library.
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post Sep 22 2006, 10:05 AM

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I knew it'd degenerate into a fanboi love fest.

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post Sep 22 2006, 10:27 AM

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no its like this..

my datsun is red, and it can go faster than ur black wrx.
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post Sep 22 2006, 11:18 AM

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LOL! Good one there!
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post Sep 22 2006, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(snipersnake @ Sep 22 2006, 10:27 AM)
no its like this..

my datsun is red, and it can go faster than ur black wrx.
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yeah ? i bet my mom can beat the hell out of ur mom !!! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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As for Microsoft's 1080p announcement, Karraker noted that the software update still doesn't enable true HD on the Xbox 360. "Furthermore, Microsoft's announced HD games patch is really just a compatibility feature -- upscaling lower-resolution content does not make it Full HD (1080p), something that PS3 can do out of the box," he said.


THe HD DVD add on is not even in the market yet this Karakatua guy is certain that it wont do a full HD. biggrin.gif

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After getting word of Sony's comments Microsoft told GameDaily BIZ that contrary to the SCEA statement, "The facts are that with this software update, video and game content developed for 1080p will be output at 1080p -- native, not upscaled. Only content developed for lower resolutions will be upscaled."


wow i am AMAZED .. at that price, it can do a 1080p (may it be 1080p24, 1080p60 bla bla bla) Even Toshiba's $499 HD DVD player dont do 1080p .. What chip is XBox 360 using for its video encoding?

Hell even the Samsung BD Player at $999 dont do native 1080p24, meaning stripping 1080p24 native signal from the disk and pump it out directly.

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"It's unfortunate that Microsoft's external HD-DVD drive will not enhance the experience at all for the gamer," said Karraker. "Sony realizes that to truly take gaming into the next generation requires a larger data format for both games and movies. PS3 uses the Blu-ray format for gaming, giving developers 50 GB of high-definition storage on a single disc, while Microsoft's 9 GB DVD gaming format is an obstacle for storing HD content."


its coming to a FULL half year after the launch of BD and there is STILL ABSOLUTELY no sign of 50GB BD movie titles in the market. And people are willing to cut their balls off if they see EVEN 1 PS3 game using 50GB BD disk. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(g5sim @ Sep 21 2006, 11:29 PM)
wow i am AMAZED ..  at that price, it can do a 1080p (may it be 1080p24, 1080p60 bla bla bla) Even Toshiba's $499 HD DVD player dont do 1080p .. What chip is XBox 360 using for its video encoding?
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It's not encoding anything. It's just displaying stuff. The thing does have a ton more processing power than the toshiba player, so i don't think it's that surprising.

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post Sep 22 2006, 01:31 PM

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MS have just confirmed that :

VGA:

HD DVD - 1080p resolution and all others
DVD - Upscaled as high as 1080p resolution and all others
Games - 720p games upscaled to 1080p, also supports native-1080p games in the future

Component:

HD DVD - 1080i resolution maximum, limited by AACS
DVD - Upscaled to 480p maximum, limited by CSS
Games - 720p games upscaled to 1080p, also supports native-1080p games in the future
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post Sep 22 2006, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(g5sim @ Sep 22 2006, 12:29 PM)
yeah ?  i bet my mom can beat the hell out of ur mom !!!  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
THe HD DVD add on is not even in the market yet this Karakatua guy is certain that it wont do a full HD.  biggrin.gif
wow i am AMAZED ..  at that price, it can do a 1080p (may it be 1080p24, 1080p60 bla bla bla) Even Toshiba's $499 HD DVD player dont do 1080p .. What chip is XBox 360 using for its video encoding?

Hell even the Samsung BD Player at $999 dont do native 1080p24, meaning stripping 1080p24 native signal from the disk and pump it out directly.
its coming to a FULL half year after the launch of BD and there is STILL ABSOLUTELY no sign of 50GB BD movie titles in the market. And people are willing to cut their balls off if they see EVEN 1 PS3 game using 50GB BD disk.  tongue.gif
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he's talking of gaming,not movies doh.gif

and i remind you again,we're in console couch,so movies are just extras here(regardless of what sony thinks tongue.gif ) laugh.gif
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post Sep 22 2006, 08:45 PM

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XBox360 has a fake 1080p, its not a true 1080p HD. All the XBox360 does is Upscaling, meaning... a 720 signal will be widen and fits into a 1080p. Thus the quality isnt that impressive.
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QUOTE(shaznizzle @ Sep 22 2006, 08:45 PM)
XBox360 has a fake 1080p, its not a true 1080p HD. All the XBox360 does is Upscaling, meaning... a 720 signal will be widen and fits into a 1080p. Thus the quality isnt that impressive.
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that is according to Sony .. tongue.gif ... MS has already confirmed that XBox 360 will do 1080p rendering (NOT upscalling) for both game and movie. It only upscale when the source is 720p or lower. smile.gif
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QUOTE(shaznizzle @ Sep 22 2006, 08:45 PM)
XBox360 has a fake 1080p, its not a true 1080p HD. All the XBox360 does is Upscaling, meaning... a 720 signal will be widen and fits into a 1080p. Thus the quality isnt that impressive.
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After getting word of Sony's comments Microsoft told GameDaily BIZ that contrary to the SCEA statement, "The facts are that with this software update, video and game content developed for 1080p will be output at 1080p -- native, not upscaled. Only content developed for lower resolutions will be upscaled."


So it's the same case as on PS3. If the game is developed in 1080p, the game will be displayed in true 1080p, not upscaled. Upscaling is only for old games which are developed in 720p. FYI, not all PS3 games are developed in 1080p either.
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so much talking. upscale la, downscale la, redering la. mana2 pon sama juga. Game Juga ada main. PS3 ka, Xbox 360 ka, semua best. Beli saja dua2.
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like 1080p is really that damn important. how many people here are using HDTV 60" or larger?
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post Sep 23 2006, 04:11 AM

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But the question is, do you really need a 60" tv??? Maybe a 32" is enough to see the difference.... thats why they have 1080p in the current 32" models...

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