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post Dec 11 2014, 05:54 PM, updated 12y ago

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A deep fear that her country would become another Pakistan and Afghanistan, where religious extremism is on the rise, prompted Datuk Noor Farida Ariffin to seek other like-minded Malays to sign an open letter asking for a rational dialogue on the position of Islam in Malaysia.

But she is also hopeful that the positive response the letter has garnered will be the start of "something big" to help restore moderation and rationality in Malaysia.

In an interview to explain her reasons for signing and disseminating the letter, the former ambassador said she was worried that groups politicising Islam would lead Malaysia down the path of violence if left unchecked.

"I do not want to see what happened in Pakistan and Afghanistan happen to us, where professionals and talented people are so scared of their own future and their families' future because extremist religion is on the rise and they leave the country taking their money and skills with them.
"If this happens in Malaysia, it is going to affect adversely our economy and we will be left with non-talented people who will lead the country to ruins," she told The Malaysian Insider.

Noor Farida also said she was heartened by the positive response since the letter was published in various media outlets, adding that she had hopes for the 25 signatories to organise themselves into something more formal.

She said she wanted to "keep the momentum going" as the signatories shared a common desire to promote tolerance and respect among the races.

They were still a loose grouping, she said and, as yet, had no fixed plans on their next move, but they would meet soon to discuss concrete steps.

What she knows, for certain, is that it will be strictly a non-political group.

"This is the start of something big, we have received a lot of goodwill and we have started something positive for the country so we want to keep the momentum going.

Datuk Noor Farida Ariffin says she is worried that groups politicising Islam would lead Malaysia down the path of violence if left unchecked. – Pic courtesy of Noor Farida Ariffin, December 11, 2014.Datuk Noor Farida Ariffin says she is worried that groups politicising Islam would lead Malaysia down the path of violence if left unchecked. – Pic courtesy of Noor Farida Ariffin, December 11, 2014."It is not going to end here, this is a genesis of a movement of moderate Muslims," said the former Malaysian ambassador to the Netherlands.

The letter, published two days ago, decried the "lack of clarity and understanding" on the place of Islam within Malaysia's constitutional democracy, as well as a "serious breakdown of federal-state division of powers, both in the areas of civil and criminal jurisdictions".

It also expressed concern at how religious authorities were "asserting authority beyond their jurisdiction", and that fatwa issued had violated the Federal Constitution as well as the consultative process.

Besides Noor Farida, other signatories of the 19-paragraph letter comprised of former high-ranking civil servants, including directors-general, secretaries-general, ambassadors and prominent individuals, all of whom are Malays.

Noor Farida said she was especially disappointed that Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak had made "beautiful speeches abroad" about moderation and yet did nothing at home against Malay supremacist groups who made inflammatory speeches.

In singling out Malay rights groups Perkasa and Ikatan Muslimin Malaysia (Isma) which claimed that Malay rights were being threatened, Noor Farida said conversely, it was the rights of the non-Malays that had been trampled.

"Malay rights are entrenched in the constitution and every government agency is seen to promote Malay rights, from education to job opportunities, so why do they perceive that there are still threats to the rights of the Malays?

"It is all in their imagination," she said.

She said no good would come out of a situation where moderate Muslims and non-Muslims, spooked by rising religious extremism, decided to leave the country.

"Whether we like it or not, we sink and swim together. Isn't it better to foster good race relations, promote peace and live peacefully? To what purpose do we want to instigate violence?" she said.

This was why all extremist rhetoric had to stop, she said, as such organisations did not speak for the silent majority.

Describing the Malaysia that she grew up in as a country that celebrated differences and where people of all races and religious beliefs mixed together, she questioned why Malaysia of late had descended into such vitriol, and to what purpose.

"All the recent events are showing a face of Islam which is totally contrary to Islamic teachings. Islam is a religion of peace and the way these people are behaving is as though they are trying to instigate another May 13," she said, referring to the race riots of 1969.

"Islam has got such a bad image abroad and what the extremists are doing is causing so much confusion and giving Islam such a bad name. Why should we allow these rat pack gangs to force us out of our own homes and country?" – December 11, 2014.
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its sad that a multiracial country has to come to this level.. what went wrong along the way?
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QUOTE(deepan84 @ Dec 11 2014, 05:56 PM)
its sad that a multiracial country has to come to this level.. what went wrong along the way?
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QUOTE(deepan84 @ Dec 11 2014, 05:56 PM)
its sad that a multiracial country has to come to this level.. what went wrong along the way?
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Religious tolerance went wrong. It's always subtle. It starts first with the loud prayers coming from mosques, you diam diam and "tolerate" then later it is assumed it is their right. Then comes the puasa thing, where they tell you it is disrespectful to eat in front of a fasting muslim, and you obey. Then comes halal issue, make a non-Muslim factory shutdown because of some unconfirmed material in chocolate, then people diam diam and take it up the tailpipe.

It snowballs, and eventually, you have extremism.

Religious INtolerance and mutual respect is the key to religious harmony.

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Nvm.malaysias prefer to tok kok behind the screen instead of going out. So nothing will happen
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QUOTE(s2peMocls @ Dec 11 2014, 06:00 PM)
Religious tolerance went wrong. It's always subtle. It starts first with the loud prayers coming from mosques, you diam diam and "tolerate" then later it is assumed it is their right. Then comes the puasa thing, where they tell you it is disrespectful to eat in front of a fasting muslim, and you obey.

It snowballs, and eventually, you have extremist.

Religious INtolerance and mutual respect is the key to religious harmony.
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some ppl like to be shackled i guess. no freedom of choice is actually freedom from making any choice tongue.gif
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post Dec 11 2014, 06:06 PM

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Syukurlah we still have bright ans concernwd people like this.

All the retards here are too fearful to speak up against their own.

Jangan persoal will ruin you and i.
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QUOTE(s2peMocls @ Dec 11 2014, 06:00 PM)
Religious tolerance went wrong. It's always subtle. It starts first with the loud prayers coming from mosques, you diam diam and "tolerate" then later it is assumed it is their right. Then comes the puasa thing, where they tell you it is disrespectful to eat in front of a fasting muslim, and you obey. Then comes halal issue, make a non-Muslim factory shutdown because of some unconfirmed material in chocolate, then people diam diam and take it up the tailpipe.

It snowballs, and eventually, you have extremism.

Religious INtolerance and mutual respect is the key to religious harmony.
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Now that you mentioned it, yes there are mosques everywhere in SG but I don't hear them blasting it off. smile.gif
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post Dec 11 2014, 06:08 PM

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apa lagi lu olang mao ????

inb4 bumi ini x cukup islamic
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QUOTE(mcnoodle @ Dec 11 2014, 06:07 PM)
Now that you mentioned it, yes there are mosques everywhere in SG but I don't hear them blasting it off. smile.gif
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SG is a secular state through and through

Meanwhile Malaysia while secular, but almost everyone thinks it's Islamic State
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but the rot has set too deep in.. u cant undo most of the religious actions like loudspeaker etc. now we are at a juncture...Modern Malaysia or Afghan Malaysia.
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QUOTE(Intimidated @ Dec 11 2014, 06:09 PM)
SG is a secular state through and through

Meanwhile Malaysia while secular, but almost everyone thinks it's Islamic State
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to me asalkan bukan UMNO

we need PAS which is more moderate. and even if PAS abuses islam, they are only 1/3 in the pkr. as long as its not umno
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QUOTE(nearlee @ Dec 11 2014, 06:14 PM)
mr ubi keledek not agrees with your statement


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QUOTE(Nachiino Etamay @ Dec 11 2014, 06:15 PM)
to me asalkan bukan UMNO

we need PAS which is more moderate. and even if PAS abuses islam, they are only 1/3 in the pkr. as long as its not umno
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QUOTE(s2peMocls @ Dec 11 2014, 06:00 PM)
Religious tolerance went wrong. It's always subtle. It starts first with the loud prayers coming from mosques, you diam diam and "tolerate" then later it is assumed it is their right. Then comes the puasa thing, where they tell you it is disrespectful to eat in front of a fasting muslim, and you obey. Then comes halal issue, make a non-Muslim factory shutdown because of some unconfirmed material in chocolate, then people diam diam and take it up the tailpipe.

It snowballs, and eventually, you have extremism.

Religious INtolerance and mutual respect is the key to religious harmony.
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From eating in toilet to jiwa roadsign to rename cainis roadname to close verna school to buang negeri if cannot speak good meleis to news commentators now covered up in clothes to hala fishbait to halal everything.

The country is on its path to
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QUOTE(Nachiino Etamay @ Dec 11 2014, 06:15 PM)
to me asalkan bukan UMNO

we need PAS which is more moderate. and even if PAS abuses islam, they are only 1/3 in the pkr. as long as its not umno
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I believe the non-Malays should remain silent and just let the Malays engage each other in this matter. We need Muslims to debate Muslims as to what liberal Islam means and not the non-Muslims trying to teach Muslims how Islam should be interpreted. Would Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, etc., accept the opinion of Muslims as to how Christianity, Hinduism or Buddhism should be interpreted or practiced? -RPK
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QUOTE(deepan84 @ Dec 11 2014, 06:06 PM)
some ppl like to be shackled i guess. no freedom of choice is actually freedom from making any choice tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Intimidated @ Dec 11 2014, 06:09 PM)
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QUOTE(eim_joez @ Dec 11 2014, 06:18 PM)
I believe the non-Malays should remain silent and just let the Malays engage each other in this matter. We need Muslims to debate Muslims as to what liberal Islam means and not the non-Muslims trying to teach Muslims how Islam should be interpreted. Would Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, etc., accept the opinion of Muslims as to how Christianity, Hinduism or Buddhism should be interpreted or practiced? -RPK
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yea right.. leave it to them... hahahha... c where it got them .. we are walking the path which Afghanistan is taking...
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QUOTE(eim_joez @ Dec 11 2014, 06:18 PM)
I believe the non-Malays should remain silent and just let the Malays engage each other in this matter. We need Muslims to debate Muslims as to what liberal Islam means and not the non-Muslims trying to teach Muslims how Islam should be interpreted. Would Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, etc., accept the opinion of Muslims as to how Christianity, Hinduism or Buddhism should be interpreted or practiced? -RPK
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Translation:

JANGAN PERSOAL

INI BUMI MILIK SAPE?????
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Dec 11 2014, 06:01 PM)
Nvm.malaysias prefer to tok kok behind the screen instead of going out. So nothing will happen
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THIS
people all complain itu ini but only brave tok kok sing song behind screen
dun have a ball to tok kok in public
so nothing will happen ever just like a dust blowing by a wind
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QUOTE(Intimidated @ Dec 11 2014, 06:29 PM)
Translation:

JANGAN PERSOAL

INI BUMI MILIK SAPE?????
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that actually makes sense rite. let master discuss with master. on equal level
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QUOTE(eim_joez @ Dec 11 2014, 06:18 PM)
I believe the non-Malays should remain silent and just let the Malays engage each other in this matter. We need Muslims to debate Muslims as to what liberal Islam means and not the non-Muslims trying to teach Muslims how Islam should be interpreted. Would Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, etc., accept the opinion of Muslims as to how Christianity, Hinduism or Buddhism should be interpreted or practiced? -RPK
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While I don't believe anyone's voice should be silenced but I do agree that some dumb confrontational comments from non-muslims be toned down. Talk like samseng does more harm than good.
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dulu kecoh pasal maw buat hudud
skang ada buat??
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Bring on hudud.
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QUOTE(eim_joez @ Dec 11 2014, 06:34 PM)
that actually makes sense rite. let master discuss with master. on equal level
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So who is the master from Islamic side on subject matter about is it okay to use loudspeaker for mosque?

QUOTE(bostonray1 @ Dec 11 2014, 06:35 PM)
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Dec 11 2014, 06:35 PM)
While I don't believe anyone's voice should be silenced but I do agree that some dumb confrontational comments from non-muslims be toned down. Talk like samseng does more harm than good.
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Dec 11 2014, 06:35 PM)
While I don't believe anyone's voice should be silenced but I do agree that some dumb confrontational comments from non-muslims be toned down. Talk like samseng does more harm than good.
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yes, like they've actually once changed a person's opinion after shouting them down. most have only vitriol to offer and that's why the spiteful words back and forth.
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QUOTE(eim_joez @ Dec 11 2014, 06:41 PM)
master here means master race not expert lel
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QUOTE(Intimidated @ Dec 11 2014, 06:39 PM)
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QUOTE(Nachiino Etamay @ Dec 11 2014, 06:15 PM)
to me asalkan bukan UMNO

we need PAS which is more moderate. and even if PAS abuses islam, they are only 1/3 in the pkr. as long as its not umno
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UMNO is desperate as they continuously losing Malay support and they've been continuously nagging PAS over a unification plan. But PAS have given certain "conditions" for that to happen. Around 1988, PAS have presented a proposal to the then Prime Minister Mahathir Mohammad on a "minor" modifcation to be made on the Malaysian constitution to make it more conformal to Islamic value, and in exchange, PAS will offer to disband and join UMNO. Mahathir simply pushed it away without even a glance at it. But UMNO is strong back then. But now, UMNO is weakening. Maybe they are considering to give in to PAS "condition" to preserve at least their political position.

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If Malaysia turning into afg, it would start from kelantan first then spreading across the country
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QUOTE(Intimidated @ Dec 11 2014, 06:38 PM)
So who is the master from Islamic side on subject matter about is it okay to use loudspeaker for mosque?
If dictatorship like Brunei where you no need care about votes, confirm sudah hudud skarang
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this is malaysia not brunei laugh.gif
sini suma bole topkek mia
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2 wrongs don't make a right?
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Still, it's very hard to expect minions to not act like samseng when the leaders are spouting nonsense like that
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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Dec 11 2014, 06:42 PM)
UMNO is desperate as they continuously losing Malay support and they've been continuously nagging PAS over a unification plan. But PAS have given certain "conditions" for that to happen. Around 1988, PAS have presented a proposal to the then Prime Minister Mahathir Mohammad on a "minor" modifcation to be made on the Malaysian constitution to make it more conformal to Islamic value, and in exchange, PAS will offer to disband and join UMNO. Mahathir simply pushed it away without even a glance at it. But UMNO is strong back then. But now, UMNO is weakening. Maybe they are considering to give in to PAS "condition" to preserve at least their political position.
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QUOTE(Intimidated @ Dec 11 2014, 06:41 PM)
kecian non master race kena treated like pendatang di tanah lahir
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if you behave like ungrateful pendatang of coz lah got treated like binatang sad.gif


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if you behave like ungrateful pendatang of coz lah got treated like binatang  sad.gif
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Dec 11 2014, 06:35 PM)
While I don't believe anyone's voice should be silenced but I do agree that some dumb confrontational comments from non-muslims be toned down. Talk like samseng does more harm than good.
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So you're saying that dumb confrontational comments are only being made by non-Muslims, and that PERKASA, ISMA, PEKIDA, etc are totally not talking like samseng at all. blink.gif

OK... rolleyes.gif

Edit: or even ministers and elected govt officials. sweat.gif

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Nvm.malaysias prefer to tok kok behind the screen instead of going out. So nothing will happen
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if it is actually peaceful or viable then i would.

but you know the violent species will chop your head off .
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QUOTE(arubin @ Dec 11 2014, 06:46 PM)
So you're saying that dumb confrontational comments are only being made by non-Muslims, and that PERKASA, ISMA, PEKIDA, etc are totally not talking like samseng at all. blink.gif

OK... rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Dec 11 2014, 06:42 PM)
2 wrongs don't make a right?
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So I suppose we should just leave the samseng-ing to PERKASA ISMA PEKIDA ETC while we turn the other cheek whenever they go on "APA CINA MAU LAGI" mode
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if you behave like ungrateful pendatang of coz lah got treated like binatang  sad.gif
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QUOTE(Intimidated @ Dec 11 2014, 06:47 PM)
So I suppose we should just leave the samseng-ing to PERKASA ISMA PEKIDA ETC while we turn the other cheek whenever they go on "APA CINA MAU LAGI" mode
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Its "APA LAGI CINA MAU?"

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/me slaps you

Its "APA LAGI CINA MAU?"

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master here means master race not expert lel
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So I suppose we should just leave the samseng-ing to PERKASA ISMA PEKIDA ETC while we turn the other cheek whenever they go on "APA CINA MAU LAGI" mode
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go head on? then another slaughter like may 13? i rather just migrate and leave this shithole to the morons and let them blow each other away
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Coz they contributed 99% tax rite. Good. Keeps harping on that. Means NEP is still relevant. More free money. More tongkat.
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malaysia wont be like afgan

why?

too much corruption and greed

so those ninja with wire mesh in front of face=wont happen cuz ramai nak melawa.contoh bini pm

not that it should happen.damn creepy man

alcohol and pusat hiburan ban? =wont happen

cuz they generate money

so chill.all in all,its fine

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if you behave like ungrateful pendatang of coz lah got treated like binatang  sad.gif
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go head on? then another slaughter like may 13? i rather just migrate and leave this shithole to the morons and let them blow each other away
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Coz they contributed 99% tax rite. Good. Keeps harping on that. Means NEP is still relevant. More free money. More tongkat.
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nope
its not relevant

nep suppose to sort of "enrich" malays but the result,after so many years practice,is that malay cant even pay the tax (based on ur post)

it fail to do what it suppose to do

or

most malay kaki kencing tak bayar tax la (based on ur sentence)


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it can be anyone as long as you join the club.
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not the one asking handout.


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Oh yeah by the way, did they mention May 13 again this year Umno AGM? I forgot to download transcript
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http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014...-May-13-bigger/
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master race is the one which can excel in any condition anywhere.

not the one asking handout.
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Coz they contributed 99% tax rite. Good. Keeps harping on that. Means NEP is still relevant. More free money. More tongkat.
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Not we harp. UMNO always the ones saying it and using it to justify the NEP. More recently only at the UMNO assembly a month or 2 back. If they can say it, why can't we? sweat.gif
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So you're saying that dumb confrontational comments are only being made by non-Muslims, and that PERKASA, ISMA, PEKIDA, etc are totally not talking like samseng at all. blink.gif

OK... rolleyes.gif

Edit: or even ministers and elected govt officials. sweat.gif
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Not just samseng but retard as well.. But you want to become the pot calling the kettle black?

If things get out of hand and escalate into violence, it just gives them exactly what they want... justification to put up some emergency law and further consolidate their position.


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Religious tolerance went wrong. It's always subtle. It starts first with the loud prayers coming from mosques, you diam diam and "tolerate" then later it is assumed it is their right. Then comes the puasa thing, where they tell you it is disrespectful to eat in front of a fasting muslim, and you obey. Then comes halal issue, make a non-Muslim factory shutdown because of some unconfirmed material in chocolate, then people diam diam and take it up the tailpipe.

It snowballs, and eventually, you have extremism.

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Not just samseng but retard as well.. But you want to become the pot calling the kettle black?

If things get out of hand and escalate into violence,  it just gives them exactly what they want... justification to put up some emergency law and further consolidate their position.
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And so we /keyboardwarriors' inaction are justified

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Not just samseng but retard as well.. But you want to become the pot calling the kettle black?

If things get out of hand and escalate into violence,  it just gives them exactly what they want... justification to put up some emergency law and further consolidate their position.
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And how, exactly, are the non-Muslims being confrontational...leaving out /k comments because well...this is /k.

On an open official political level, how have the non-Muslims actually been getting out of hand? Go on...elaborate...
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master race is the one which can excel in any condition anywhere.

not the one asking handout.
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And how, exactly, are the non-Muslims being confrontational...leaving out /k comments because well...this is /k.

On an open official political level, how have the non-Muslims actually been getting out of hand? Go on...elaborate...
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not handout. it's more like a privilege. it comes with the membership  flex.gif
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like a wheelchair for the disable,where normal people can walk on their 2 feet

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If that happens, close all spa's and cainis business here  brows.gif  brows.gif
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not handout. it's more like a privilege. it comes with the membership  flex.gif
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not handout. it's more like a privilege. it comes with the membership  flex.gif
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like a wheelchair for the disable,where normal people can walk on their 2 feet
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if you behave like ungrateful pendatang of coz lah got treated like binatang  sad.gif
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are we still pendatang although me and my dad all born/bred in malaysia?

you go handle the real pendatang la..bangla and nepal..sooner or later they will start marryin your malay girls.
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And how, exactly, are the non-Muslims being confrontational...leaving out /k comments because well...this is /k.

On an open official political level, how have the non-Muslims actually been getting out of hand? Go on...elaborate...
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are we still pendatang although me and my dad all born/bred in malaysia?

you go handle the real pendatang la..bangla and nepal..sooner or later they will start marryin your malay girls.
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malaysia,heck,even tanah melayu in 1957 is being made up consist of and by the effort of EVERYONE from every race.not just malay
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are we still pendatang although me and my dad all born/bred in malaysia?

you go handle the real pendatang la..bangla and nepal..sooner or later they will start marryin your malay girls.
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If handled bangla and nepal pendatang, who is going to build your shopping malls and office blocks?
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Coz they contributed 99% tax rite. Good. Keeps harping on that. Means NEP is still relevant. More free money. More tongkat.
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yes, NEP still relevant.

whistling.gif money in rich croni pocket, not in poorfag pocket.

keep NEP. let the country rot. if cannot success together, then fail together. whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif
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If handled bangla and nepal pendatang, who is going to build your shopping malls and office blocks?
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malaysia kan tolak unsur unsur barat,let this place become next afghanistan pun ok gak
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QUOTE(deepan84 @ Dec 11 2014, 07:01 PM)
are we still pendatang although me and my dad all born/bred in malaysia?

you go handle the real pendatang la..bangla and nepal..sooner or later they will start marryin your malay girls.
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This is the exact mentality that causes Malays to call us pendatang. You know what's the irony? You and the rest of Non-Bumi (not all) in peninsular are doing the same. If you can't stop calling Bangla & Nepali as pendatang, then you have no rights to demand that we should not be called pendatang.

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Nice of those 25 eminent persons to voice out.

They called on Najib to act. But, so far...........
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If handled bangla and nepal pendatang, who is going to build your shopping malls and office blocks?
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No, i don't think it will come to that. At least not all at once. The more likely to happen is the increase enforcement of the religious police to "discourage" Muslims from visiting such a place.
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Meh all of this start snowballing rapidly after the usage of Allah name case. Many Muslims in Malaysia already thinking that when they tolerated lots of stuff, the other party start to pijak kepala. So has to lower the toleration level
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QUOTE(ibukanpembangkang @ Dec 11 2014, 06:59 PM)
we only need 1 in malaysia and that is islam! We do not need any  kafir to help run the country!! Kafir will just destroy malaysia make us 3rd world country like singapore, china and usa.
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This is the exact mentality that causes Malays to call us pendatang. You know what's the irony? You and the rest of Non-Bumi (not all) in peninsular are doing the same. If you can't stop calling Bangla & Nepali as pendatang, then you have no rights to demand that we should not be called pendatang.
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I think I know where you are coming from.

But the terms he used is right.

PS
We all know why the term pendatang is being used on other Malaysians, despite it being the wrong term to use. And there would be those who would continue using it, regardless.
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I'm referring to k/yards and fagbook
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Holy crap, there will always be retards on both sides lar. We can't keep them in check any more than your side can keep yours in check. The important thing is we ignore the retards. On an official level, the non-Muslims aren't acting like samseng. On an official level, even UMNO are acting like samseng.
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i'm sure there are jobless malaysians willing to take up the job.
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QUOTE(Piros @ Dec 11 2014, 07:06 PM)
This is the exact mentality that causes Malays to call us pendatang. You know what's the irony? You and the rest of Non-Bumi (not all) in peninsular are doing the same. If you can't stop calling Bangla & Nepali as pendatang, then you have no rights to demand that we should not be called pendatang.
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u are comparing 3rd generation malaysian with a 1yr work visa blue collar worker? wow u must have been indoctrined like crap. welcome to macai-hood.
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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Dec 11 2014, 06:59 PM)
No, i don't think it will come to that. At least not all at once. The more likely to happen is the increase enforcement of the religious police to "discourage" Muslims from visiting such a place.
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look at PAS ruled states.. no such things exist... entertainment gone !! brows.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(Piros @ Dec 11 2014, 07:06 PM)
This is the exact mentality that causes Malays to call us pendatang. You know what's the irony? You and the rest of Non-Bumi (not all) in peninsular are doing the same. If you can't stop calling Bangla & Nepali as pendatang, then you have no rights to demand that we should not be called pendatang.
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In a way, i agree with u. All this pendatang2 bullshit (by both bumis n non bumis)has to end
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QUOTE(ibukanpembangkang @ Dec 11 2014, 06:59 PM)
we only need 1 in malaysia and that is islam! We do not need any  kafir to help run the country!! Kafir will just destroy malaysia make us 3rd world country like singapore, china and usa.
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QUOTE(Piros @ Dec 11 2014, 07:06 PM)
This is the exact mentality that causes Malays to call us pendatang. You know what's the irony? You and the rest of Non-Bumi (not all) in peninsular are doing the same. If you can't stop calling Bangla & Nepali as pendatang, then you have no rights to demand that we should not be called pendatang.
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no need get so pedantic loh, you know normally what they mean when they say pendatang is pendatang asing tanpa izin. not 'pendatang' in its quasixenophobic 'definition'.
or not. i cannot speak for other people. lels
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QUOTE(Hexism @ Dec 11 2014, 07:13 PM)
no need get so pedantic loh, you know normally what they mean when they say pendatang is pendatang asing tanpa izin. not 'pendatang' in its quasixenophobic 'definition'.
or not. i cannot speak for other people. lels
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if this bangla stayed here for ages and gets a IC legally, he is a malaysian and no one would call him a pendatang.
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QUOTE(ibukanpembangkang @ Dec 11 2014, 06:59 PM)
we only need 1 in malaysia and that is islam! We do not need any  kafir to help run the country!! Kafir will just destroy malaysia make us 3rd world country like singapore, china and usa.
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look at PAS ruled states.. no such things exist... entertainment gone !!  brows.gif  brows.gif
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if this bangla stayed here for ages and gets a IC legally, he is a malaysian and no one would call him a pendatang.
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HHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA

thank you for the comedic relief
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This only exist in peninsular Malaysia.
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QUOTE(soundsyst64 @ Dec 11 2014, 07:18 PM)
This only exist in peninsular Malaysia.
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QUOTE(Intimidated @ Dec 11 2014, 07:16 PM)
HHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA

thank you for the comedic relief
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i would call him saudara UMNO baru. lel.
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QUOTE(deepan84 @ Dec 11 2014, 07:15 PM)
if this bangla stayed here for ages and gets a IC legally, he is a malaysian and no one would call him a pendatang.
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U sure? Lelellelelelelellelelel. New immigrants sure got stigma one unfortunately
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Dec 11 2014, 07:09 PM)
I think I know where you are coming from. 

But the terms he used is right. 

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We all know why the term pendatang is being used on other Malaysians, despite it being the wrong term to use.  And there would be those who would continue using it, regardless.
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That's what I'm getting at, few decades down the road, a baby might be born to Nepali Parents who are now citizen of Malaysia, then what? We are still gonna call them pendatang right? What's the difference then? We are doing the same exact thing while we are asking the Malays not to do the same to us. It's a never ending vicious cycle.

Racism can never be eradicated in Malaysia is we have these kind of mentality, why? Let me give you an example:

1. An Indian conquered mount Everest. Malaysians are proud, but you have some that says "why an Indian & not a Malay, if only there were more Malays then the indian wouldn't have gotten the name"

2. A Malay went to the ISS. Malaysians are proud, but you have some that says "meh, he when up there because of his skin, it should have been an Indian or a Chinese!"

3. A Chinese does great in studies, Malaysians are proud, but you have some that says "how come the Malay & Indian community cannot get good results, why always Chinese?"

My motto is simple, you treat others as how you would want to be treated. Unless we embraces this, your better Malaysia is just a dream.

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race and religion bashing always came from there almost in everyday basis.
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yeah.i know.i didnt say thats factually wrong

its just very annoying

its like some one from sahara dessert come to every thread about rain or flood "yeah.that will never happen in sahara yo"

of course we know this mostly happen and come from peninsular,without u coming on almost every thread (that i remember) for years and keep posting the same bragging shit

u dont have to keep spam that one liner.we all know.its not new knowledge like "reeaally??? mostly its from peninsular? i tak perasan pulak hew hew hew"

its annoying

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Coz they contributed 99% tax rite. Good. Keeps harping on that. Means NEP is still relevant. More free money. More tongkat.
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But then the zakat money don't know go where, lots of poor Malays everywhere.
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tiap2 tahun mintak zakat gile gile.time orang perlu bantuan "takde bajet"
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but i want to hit woman.
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and what kind of person who want to hit a woman?insapla

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Sikit pun tak ambik kesah. In the end of the day, bumi ini milik siapa? Hahahahaha. Kau tak suka, kau boleh keluar. Kalau panas hati, boleh kolos. Sekian terima kasih.

P/s: malam ni Malaysia vs Vietnam. Marilah kita bersama-sama bersatu hati menyokong pasukan negara kita. Tanpa mengira kaum, siapa rasa dia warga negara Malaysia, patut ada rasa kecintaan terhadap tanah air kita. Kita wajib cintakan tanah air tapi bukan parti kerajaan atau pembangkang. Hehehe. Malaysia, tanah tumpahnya darah ku.
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u think u can do it in a secular country like us or uk?

and what kind of person who want to hit a woman?insapla
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precisely

he can't do it in a secular country

but he can if he is in...
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Sikit pun tak ambik kesah. In the end of the day, bumi ini milik siapa? Hahahahaha. Kau tak suka, kau boleh keluar. Kalau panas hati, boleh kolos. Sekian terima kasih.

P/s: malam ni Malaysia vs Vietnam. Marilah kita bersama-sama bersatu hati menyokong pasukan negara kita. Tanpa mengira kaum, siapa rasa dia warga negara Malaysia, patut ada rasa kecintaan terhadap tanah air kita. Kita wajib cintakan tanah air tapi bukan parti kerajaan atau pembangkang. Hehehe. Malaysia, tanah tumpahnya darah ku.
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precisely

he can't do it in a secular country

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omaigod...i didnt think about that...so that mean he can do it in.... here?
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u think u can do it in a secular country like us or uk?

and what kind of person who want to hit a woman?insapla
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so this bumi milik the one that didnt exist biggrin.gif

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This would be a good excuse when I pay land and properties tax next month.
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If I learned one thing from all my business trips and overseas assignments;

Malaysians, typically a particular race that rhymes with the country's name, are rude, full of jealousy, trying to prove their own's worth in a wrong way(ie. it's always fight fight fight hit hit hit), unskilled, not putting any effort in anything - even on the things that interest them.

You all thought China citizens(yes the country u idiots, not chinese in Malaysia, there's a difference) are rude, not polite etc etc. But compared to citizens of Malaysia - I would much rather pick to stay in China.

Oh and just give up your so called "master race" thinking ok? It's dragging you down even more. Abit abit go and call people "pendatang" or other derogatory words. In the end - Myanmar and Indon that's in Malaysia are more useful then you...
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If I learned one thing from all my business trips and overseas assignments;

Malaysians, typically a particular race that rhymes with the country's name, are rude, full of jealousy, trying to prove their own's worth in a wrong way(ie. it's always fight fight fight hit hit hit), unskilled, not putting any effort in anything - even on the things that interest them.

You all thought China citizens(yes the country u idiots, not chinese in Malaysia, there's a difference) are rude, not polite etc etc. But compared to citizens of Malaysia - I would much rather pick to stay in China.

Oh and just give up your so called "master race" thinking ok? It's dragging you down even more. Abit abit go and call people "pendatang" or other derogatory words. In the end - Myanmar and Indon that's in Malaysia are more useful then you...
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If I learned one thing from all my business trips and overseas assignments;

Malaysians, typically a particular race that rhymes with the country's name, are rude, full of jealousy, trying to prove their own's worth in a wrong way(ie. it's always fight fight fight hit hit hit), unskilled, not putting any effort in anything - even on the things that interest them.

You all thought China citizens(yes the country u idiots, not chinese in Malaysia, there's a difference) are rude, not polite etc etc. But compared to citizens of Malaysia - I would much rather pick to stay in China.

Oh and just give up your so called "master race" thinking ok? It's dragging you down even more. Abit abit go and call people "pendatang" or other derogatory words. In the end - Myanmar and Indon that's in Malaysia are more useful then you...
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dont too harsh la bro. thats how they were brought up i guess. majority with an inferiority complex.

but i have to say, my colleagues are all nice ppl. i really like them. regular breakfast kaki's smile.gif

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Does anyone know who are those 25 like-minded Malays ? If they support moderation but at the same time afraid to reveal the identity, then it would be pointless. So far the media only publish the name of this Noor.
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Does anyone know who are those 25 like-minded Malays ? If they support moderation but at the same time afraid to reveal the identity, then it would be pointless. So far the media only publish the name of this Noor.
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It has to be said tho, I'll take the risk.

The thing is, i also have colleagues that have the same thinking about their own people
They also feel unfair to have this kind of generalization...

Just a very simple example.... what do you think of a person riding an ex5 back from work. Now, try to imagine 3 different scenario, each with different young man of a different race riding that motor, approaching you on a wrong way - at night. Will you be more alert, evade, prepare for the worst? or won't even think about it because it's just a motorist passing by.

That same generalization is what makes all my indian friends to buy gold/high-visibility accessory/brands. When I ask then why?, mostly because of the mindset of they're not the same class as "other" indians, and will need to show it to improve their general image/first impression in public

Don't need to give any answer, just think about it yourself.......
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It has to be said tho, I'll take the risk.

The thing is, i also have colleagues that have the same thinking about their own people
They also feel unfair to have this kind of generalization...

Just a very simple example.... what do you think of a person riding an ex5 back from work. Now, try to imagine 3 different scenario, each with different young man of a different race riding that motor, approaching you on a wrong way - at night. Will you be more alert, evade, prepare for the worst? or won't even think about it because it's just a motorist passing by.

That same generalization is what makes all my indian friends to buy gold/high-visibility accessory/brands. When I ask then why?, mostly because of the mindset of they're not the same class as "other" indians, and will need to show it to improve their general image/first impression in public

Don't need to give any answer, just think about it yourself.......
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Its not that I am disagreeing with you, more like just suggesting you be a bit more careful with your choice of words if you're just referring to those with tongkat mentality. After all, like you yourself said, not all Malays have a tongkat mindset so at least be careful not to generalize and offend them all lar.

We're all in this together if we want to improve the country after all.

Edit: Just to be clear. The key here is never to define a race as tongkat, but I suppose its ok to say if some people have a tongkat mindset.

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wont happen.

but i do feel there will be restrictions places on Non in the coming yrs. the population of cina n india will decrease until a point that they become insignificant...too insignificant to be blamed. they will be den be left alone.

a new group of "pendatang" will replace the cina n india as the 2 other major ethnic groups.

so dun be surprised if in 40-50 yrs time the headline will be "Apa Lagi Bangla Mau ?"
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wont happen.

but i do feel there will be restrictions places on Non in the coming yrs. the population of cina n india will decrease until a point that they become insignificant...too insignificant to be blamed. they will be den be left alone.

a new group of "pendatang" will replace the cina n india as the 2 other major ethnic groups.

so dun be surprised if in 40-50 yrs time the headline will be "Apa Lagi Bangla Mau ?"
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shouldn't be much of a problem coz religion similar. so in terms of religious assimilation, it would be seamless.. the problem now in malaysia is due to the rising influence of islamic arabic culture, not malay culture.

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QUOTE(eim_joez @ Dec 11 2014, 06:18 PM)
I believe the non-Malays should remain silent and just let the Malays engage each other in this matter. We need Muslims to debate Muslims as to what liberal Islam means and not the non-Muslims trying to teach Muslims how Islam should be interpreted. Would Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, etc., accept the opinion of Muslims as to how Christianity, Hinduism or Buddhism should be interpreted or practiced? -RPK
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Nobody here is advocating a Buddhist or Christian state.

We also Don't want a Islamic state.

Just follow the damn constitution can or not?
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QUOTE(Spitzer @ Dec 11 2014, 07:34 PM)
If I learned one thing from all my business trips and overseas assignments;

Malaysians, typically a particular race that rhymes with the country's name, are rude, full of jealousy, trying to prove their own's worth in a wrong way(ie. it's always fight fight fight hit hit hit), unskilled, not putting any effort in anything - even on the things that interest them.

You all thought China citizens(yes the country u idiots, not chinese in Malaysia, there's a difference) are rude, not polite etc etc. But compared to citizens of Malaysia - I would much rather pick to stay in China.

Oh and just give up your so called "master race" thinking ok? It's dragging you down even more. Abit abit go and call people "pendatang" or other derogatory words. In the end - Myanmar and Indon that's in Malaysia are more useful then you...
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QUOTE(deepan84 @ Dec 11 2014, 07:55 PM)
shouldn't be much of a problem coz religion similar. so in terms of religious assimilation, it would be seamless.. the problem now in malaysia is due to the rising influence of islamic arabic culture, not malay culture.
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ppl will always find ways to emphasize their superiority over others. so wat if religion is d same. skin color different, culture different n language different.

Banglas were just an example tho. could be Nepalese, Indons or etc.
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QUOTE(deepan84 @ Dec 11 2014, 07:15 PM)
if this bangla stayed here for ages and gets a IC legally, he is a malaysian and no one would call him a pendatang.
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but how she know afghanistan is good or not.
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its sad that a multiracial country has to come to this level.. what went wrong along the way?
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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Dec 11 2014, 06:59 PM)
No, i don't think it will come to that. At least not all at once. The more likely to happen is the increase enforcement of the religious police to "discourage" Muslims from visiting such a place.
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I don't think so. See what has happened in Terengganu. Shops are to be closed on Friday noon. Instead of moving Muslim man, authority chooses to close the shops.
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I do not fear the evil cunts that keep on taunting 513 like ibrahim ali and rani kukup abdullah.
We all know is a sandiwara anyway.
However I fear the belief or the idea that malaysia belongs to one group and of one religion and other should just bow to it.

Well that will invite real hardcore extremism, not the sandiwara type, but the real one. Like what we see happens to isis symphathiser.

By then it is not who let the dogs out. It is who can control the mad dog
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That's what I'm getting at, few decades down the road, a baby might be born to Nepali Parents who are now citizen of Malaysia, then what? We are still gonna call them pendatang right? What's the difference then? We are doing the same exact thing while we are asking the Malays not to do the same to us. It's a never ending vicious cycle.

Racism can never be eradicated in Malaysia is we have these kind of mentality, why? Let me give you an example:

1. An Indian conquered mount Everest. Malaysians are proud, but you have some that says "why an Indian & not a Malay, if only there were more Malays then the indian wouldn't have gotten the name"

2. A Malay went to the ISS. Malaysians are proud, but you have some that says "meh, he when up there because of his skin, it should have been an Indian or a Chinese!"

3. A Chinese does great in studies, Malaysians are proud, but you have some that says "how come the Malay & Indian community cannot get good results, why always Chinese?"

My motto is simple, you treat others as how you would want to be treated. Unless we embraces this, your better Malaysia is just a dream.
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The point is the terminology.

That offsprings of naturalised Malaysians, should no longer considered to be pendatang.

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What are the chances of Nepalese getting citizenship in Malaysia now?
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QUOTE(Nachiino Etamay @ Dec 11 2014, 06:15 PM)
to me asalkan bukan UMNO

we need PAS which is more moderate. and even if PAS abuses islam, they are only 1/3 in the pkr. as long as its not umno
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Dafuq. PAS is even more vavi extremist than any out there

You see kelantan so shiat edy know how it is. See their party leader also hakk ptuihh
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QUOTE(0qkpy @ Dec 11 2014, 09:21 PM)
never go to afghanistan b4
but how she know afghanistan is good or not.
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you need to go to afgan to know whether is it a shithole or not?

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you need to go to afgan to know whether is it a shithole or not?
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my teacher tell me those people are bs, because they themself also dunno what they are talking about, all is their imagination.
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QUOTE(0qkpy @ Dec 12 2014, 01:36 AM)
my teacher tell me those people are bs, because they themself also dunno what they are talking about, all is their imagination.
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Your teacher no internet?

internet agenda yahudi aside.
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Your teacher no internet?

internet agenda yahudi aside.
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QUOTE(Piros @ Dec 11 2014, 08:20 PM)
That's what I'm getting at, few decades down the road, a baby might be born to Nepali Parents who are now citizen of Malaysia, then what? We are still gonna call them pendatang right? What's the difference then? We are doing the same exact thing while we are asking the Malays not to do the same to us. It's a never ending vicious cycle.

Racism can never be eradicated in Malaysia is we have these kind of mentality, why? Let me give you an example:

1. An Indian conquered mount Everest. Malaysians are proud, but you have some that says "why an Indian & not a Malay, if only there were more Malays then the indian wouldn't have gotten the name"

2. A Malay went to the ISS. Malaysians are proud, but you have some that says "meh, he when up there because of his skin, it should have been an Indian or a Chinese!"

3. A Chinese does great in studies, Malaysians are proud, but you have some that says "how come the Malay & Indian community cannot get good results, why always Chinese?"

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kepala otak u go ISIS become proud..
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Of course not.... but the beauty is you can find information from both the agenda yahudi and the other side as well...and judge for yourself.

Is your teacher a long time resident of Afghanistan?

This post has been edited by sniper on the roof: Dec 12 2014, 02:11 AM
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Errr...'bang. ISS=/=ISIS. I reckon means International Space Station



QUOTE(lordchaos91 @ Dec 12 2014, 02:09 AM)
kepala otak u go ISIS become proud..
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QUOTE(Intimidated @ Dec 11 2014, 05:59 PM)
afghanistan 1970

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i farking cannot believe how beautiful afghan was back in the days. shocking.gif
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Errr...'bang. ISS=/=ISIS. I reckon  means International Space Station
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oh shyt.. been looking at ISIS too much lately... sorry..i take back my words lulz
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People keep playing the politics of fear and superiority because it appeals to our 2 most basic instincts as human beings, fear and want. And the majority will lap it up.

It is the easiest way to score points because it doesn't require a lot of thought to react to such politics.

But I agree with a previous poster, the ideological battle is best fought by the Malays and Muslims rather than Non-Muslims, because it seems too much like interference and an outside attack, which further polarizes the Malay Muslim population. Which essentially only fuels their cause.

The best offence is to help nurture a society of Malays with power, skills and influence that are capable of stemming the tide and taking back our freedoms. Even the best of counter arguments are of no use if the person on the other side refuses to think. Thus it is better to work with others instead.


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Cannot upgrade liao some mentality , lets degrade instead.. Typical umno
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my teacher tell me those people are bs, because they themself also dunno what they are talking about, all is their imagination.
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>2014
>still trying to bullshit

sure....
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QUOTE(kellyt92 @ Dec 11 2014, 09:42 PM)
I don't think so. See what has happened in Terengganu. Shops are to be closed on Friday noon. Instead of moving Muslim man, authority chooses to close the shops.
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It's called encroachment. Do it bit by bit, and if there are no checks and balances, the topples over.

It's the same strategy used by the feminist movement. Property ownership first, then suffrage, then child custody and eventually, what is traditional male space (like gaming) is infested in misandrist feminist leanings.
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Dec 12 2014, 06:12 AM)
People keep playing the politics of fear and superiority because it appeals to our 2 most basic instincts as human beings, fear and want. And the majority will lap it up.

It is the easiest way to score points because it doesn't require a lot of thought to react to such politics.

But I agree with a previous poster, the ideological battle is best fought by the Malays and Muslims rather than Non-Muslims, because it seems too much like interference and an outside attack, which further polarizes the Malay Muslim population. Which essentially only fuels their cause.

The best offence is to help nurture a society of Malays with power, skills and influence that are capable of stemming the tide and taking back our freedoms. Even the best of counter arguments are of no use if the person on the other side refuses to think. Thus it is better to work with others instead.
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The Crusades disagrees with you tongue.gif
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QUOTE(s2peMocls @ Dec 11 2014, 06:00 PM)
Religious tolerance went wrong. It's always subtle. It starts first with the loud prayers coming from mosques, you diam diam and "tolerate" then later it is assumed it is their right. Then comes the puasa thing, where they tell you it is disrespectful to eat in front of a fasting muslim, and you obey. Then comes halal issue, make a non-Muslim factory shutdown because of some unconfirmed material in chocolate, then people diam diam and take it up the tailpipe.

It snowballs, and eventually, you have extremism.

Religious INtolerance and mutual respect is the key to religious harmony.
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dem, this is so true! +99!

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