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dadudeneverabides
post Feb 17 2015, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(DarkSilver @ Feb 16 2015, 11:51 AM)
One thing you guys should take notice over here is what you guys always said FEELING.
Feeling is vary among everyone.
But as long as it's logical, it's considered OK.
It's OK to tell Cherry MX Brown is Cherry MX Blue minus the clicky. In technical term, it might not be really accurate to put up this statement. But, in real-life testing, it's more or less that way... Tactile.
Unless, you tell like Cherry MX Blue is the same feel as Cherry MX Red, then, it's WRONG. Because one is full linear and another is obvious tactile. It's like driving a LORRY vs Luxury Car.
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At first, I wanna give you a comprehensive answer, but seeing your ADHD, flip flop and attention seeking answers after that...

First of all, don't trust what you read. Everyone's feelings, like you said, is different. So why you wanna trust the words of some guy who is just trying to pad the wiki with words? Learn to differentiate the b/s with words that actually matter.

Topre and Cherry MX have two completely different mechanisms, actuation, response, and for the lack of a better word, texture. They don't call topre "Good feeling with cup rubber" for nothing.

Cherry MX actuates by the contact coming together in the MIDDLE of a downward stroke, and the contact is not infallible, in the sense that if there is vibration on the contact point, the gate will fluctuate between ON/OFF very quickly and have to be corrected with software. This situation (aka hysteresis) makes Cherry MX innately flawed. Fortunately, most of our usage scenario will never encounter this kind of situation (Airplanes, heavy machinery) so it's fine.

However, due to the design of the stems, for all non-linear switches, the actuation point is NOT at the same point where the feedback is given to the user (tactile point/clicky point). While the difference is only about 1-2mm, you can notice this if you try to press the switch very slowly or when you are semi-depressing the button (aka priming the switch for a faster response).

Topre, on the other hand, uses capacitive circuit detection. The difference in capacitance on the PCB is detected and then translated as an ON signal. If you look at the diagram of a Topre switch at work, you'll notice that the rubber membrane's structure is destroyed, causing the potential energy to be released and compressing the spring (which causes the change in capacitance). This means that the tactile response is the EXACT same moment as actuation, and eliminates the need to deal with hysteresis (also, the rubber membrane will absorb a large amount of the vibration anyway) creating an accurate tactile switch. The same accuracy is found on ALPS and on Buckling Spring.

So, this means that the "feeling" and response rate of the keypress is significantly different on Topre and Cherry MX, especially if you are a light touch typist.

ON the other hand, my personal experience is that Cherry MX feels like a robot, while Topre switches are "alive" because they REALLY bounce back at you when you press it.

Sekian, mohon anugerahkan "A+" untuk karangan saya.

QUOTE(Lotus1109 @ Feb 16 2015, 01:07 PM)
Even I only try typing on it few times, my FEELING told me that it feels like rubberdome and rubberdome never feels like linear switches lol
Btw I read a lot of review saying that the irock synthetic mechanical switches feel like mx red too. This is actually misleading. There is only one exception:
Mx brown feels like mx red = forgivable

Because I feel like that too haha
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!@#$%^&*()

Browns are scratchy reds, TYVM.

Also, buying Hyperfuse? #wink tongue.gif
dadudeneverabides
post Feb 17 2015, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(Lotus1109 @ Feb 17 2015, 06:41 PM)
Bunny say shipping still 18usd even we order 4 sets brows.gif jom
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Yup. Check my siggie. Although it says hack'd by geeks, I already placed order for Hyperfuse.

QUOTE(-kytz- @ Feb 17 2015, 07:12 PM)
This caught my attention. Guess I really have to try topre switches one day tongue.gif
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Can't try. Need 2 weeks to feel it, then fall in love.
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post Feb 17 2015, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(cloud8992 @ Feb 17 2015, 08:19 PM)
after shipping how much for hyperfuse ?
i dont have the cash but very tempting  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
anyone want to sponsor me ? whistling.gif
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Looking like 120
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post Feb 22 2015, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(0168257061 @ Feb 22 2015, 10:55 AM)
Clear = 35g actuation
Black = 65g actuation (bottoming should be 75g)

I already changed myself to 62g bottoming force  biggrin.gif
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Boss, any advice for the clicky/tactile gaterons? Not really into linear tongue.gif
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post Feb 22 2015, 08:03 PM

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Anybody interested in the latest Gateron GB? I might be spurging out a bit for a 100 of each, so PM me if you are interested.
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post Feb 22 2015, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(am3rr @ Feb 22 2015, 08:13 PM)
i tot we are going to make our own gb by lotus bro?
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Oh shit. I forgot. Hahahaha

silly me...
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post Feb 22 2015, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(captvizcenzo @ Feb 22 2015, 08:36 PM)
From GH or taobao?
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Taobao.
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post Feb 23 2015, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(faidz85 @ Feb 23 2015, 09:10 AM)
Thanks for this...
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Nah, you'll curse him soon enough when you see our keycaps and start to rethink your need for macros.
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post Feb 23 2015, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(faidz85 @ Feb 23 2015, 09:17 AM)
Hehe..I am in dire need of macros but even more the media controls esp the volume rocker. Can't live without them.

I already took a look at the other mech kbs and decided that I can't live without those 'gaming' features. So poison resistance up!

Maybe in the future I will change my mind. But who knows tongue.gif
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Well, once you have heard of Autohotkey, you'll sing a different tune.

Of course, having fully customized layouts, keypresses and all your macros on the hardware layer then you'll sing a different tune.
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post Feb 23 2015, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Feb 23 2015, 09:30 AM)
So sad hearing from you getting a G710+. sad.gif
My last recommendation for Filco, do have 1 series has media controls.
Btw, you are not the first person who not take our recommendation seriously.  icon_idea.gif
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So used to it that I no longer bother giving recommendations. We should have a disclaimer at the first post that says:

"If you are retarded enough not to listen to us, we are entitled to ignore your posts forever :3"

QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Feb 23 2015, 09:36 AM)
Picture of the day
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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YESH. HYPERFUSE.

Patiently awaiting my GMK set.
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post Feb 23 2015, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Feb 23 2015, 07:44 PM)
Advice allows others to avoid painful mistakes that other people have already made.  nod.gif
"Listen to advice and accept discipline, and at the end you will be counted among the wise."
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Smart man learn from own mistakes. Wise man learn from other's mistakes.

MKB thread become philosophy thread.
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post Feb 24 2015, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(justnits @ Feb 24 2015, 11:02 AM)
one of the reason i use mkb is because of the ability to change keycaps.
but i didn't know it will become so expensive cry.gif
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So far for me is still hovering around the 50:50 mark.

Gonna invest in a GMK set (HYPERFUSE) next, and then I'm gonna submarine until a BSP GB that I like... then sayonara everyone I will retire unless someone gifts me a Novatouch tongue.gif
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post Feb 27 2015, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(joonwei23 @ Feb 26 2015, 08:01 AM)
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69265.0;topicseen

Next level poison.
Too bad the price tag is absurd. biggrin.gif
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Compared to?

Both colourways are limited editions. I might have given Olivetti some thought before buying hyperfuse, but not anymore!
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post Mar 1 2015, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(0168257061 @ Mar 1 2015, 11:31 AM)
Morning guys. Group buy thread is up. brows.gif
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3509944

user posted image
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~HEAVY BREATHING~
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post Mar 1 2015, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(arecheese @ Mar 1 2015, 07:54 PM)
ermmm help, please?  icon_question.gif
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Is it one/a few keys only or a lot of keys? Can you tell me which keys are affected?

QUOTE(captvizcenzo @ Mar 1 2015, 08:00 PM)
I know a few people here provide repairing service.  Maybe ask dadudeneverabides, quovadis123,  or hmwgbworld
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Actual repairs, no pls. I'm temporarily out of the repair game until business is settled :3
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post Mar 1 2015, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(arecheese @ Mar 1 2015, 08:16 PM)
It seems like any key is affected, no particular one
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Shit out of luck. Your controller = busted.

Your only options:
1. Buy alternative controller. Expensive, hard to guarantee success (personally have never gone this route, so I can't testify), and very tricky to install.
2. Scrap it. Salvage switches and LEDs, throw away board. Depending on switches' age and type, might be worth keeping.
3. Keep it as souvenir.
4. There is no option four.

I'd choose option 2 IMO.
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post Mar 4 2015, 01:27 AM

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Again with the stubborn idiots. Possible scenarios:

1. You missed the initial response. Yay. We get to repeat ourselves. It's ok. We keyboard warriors. Don't really mind.

2. You are dumb. What we tell you, impossible for you to listen without some other stimuli, like someone bashing your head in with the alu block of a KMAC2 while screaming "DON'T BUY NON-STANDARD LAYOUTS OR KAILH CLONES" and dancing around you.

3. You actually like trisnek. Good for you. Now shut the hell up and buy the damn keyboard, preferably not disturbing us in our cocoon of superiority. Revel in our pity and scorn. Never come back unless you like to be laughed at.

4. You prefer bling over function. Is ok. I understand. I also like pretty stuff, like girls, women, females, girls, women and females. Did I mention girls? Girls. But keyboard isn't one of them. A true craftsman only use tools of craftsmanship, not of beauty, because true beauty comes from craftsmanship, and trisnek kibod are true work of craftsman's shit. I hope you stay near your supplier, because you'll need to do an RMA sooner or later for switch or LEDs, sometimes both. Or stay near a dumpsite. Suppliers usually smell better though.

5. You have already decided to buy the damn keyboard, and you're only here to get validation. Gaming keyboard thread is somewhere else. AND YES RAZER SO KEWL MUCH BLING SUCH MEKANIKAL PRO GAMING WOW KEYBOARD. Yes? Happy? Please don't come back after a few months asking about how to fix it. Because if you EVER ask me I'll charge you enough to buy me a KMAC.

So please understand that the price doesn't matter. It never has, and never will. You are buying the endgame input device. Why bother with a few hundred ringgit when your rig costs a few thousand? Even if Razer™ give me a keyboard for free, I will use it out of curiosity and then chuck it into the corner after 2 days (btw, I have personally reviewed both Kailh switches, and trust me they feel as inconsistent as my ex-gf when she's on her period).

Cools? Cools.

p/s: I suffered to type this on a damn rubber membrane (NOT TOPRE, OK?), so understandably my words sound harsh, but friend, only true friends will tell you the things you need to hear, not some marketing b/s gimmicky shiatfest.
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post Mar 4 2015, 02:04 AM

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QUOTE(ck.chunkeat @ Mar 4 2015, 01:41 AM)
I tried putting myself in their shoe and think from their point of view:

If I were they, I will feel like i want something with a brand name, something which is cool for a gamer and something which is bling bling.

Therefore those mainstream gamer brand comes to mind when choosing a MKB, ie. razer, steelseries,CMStorm etc. or maybe even corsair since corsair got some gaming gear and other stuff, not just mkb.

They never heard of Ducky/filco/wasd/any of the topre keyboards, this is because these people are new to MKB, they do not know the famous MKB brand.

Therefore apart of their heart still think of razer and don't get why it isn't highly by sifus here while it is still highly sought after in the outside world.

Maybe they don't even care about keycaps, thats why the non-standard layout didn't matter to them.

Maybe they don't really care about clone MX cherry switches cause if razer as a company of this size chooses to use it, then it might have been good to use.
My suggestion is, the next time someone asked whether is it okay to get a razer keyboard, we ask them this question:
Why do you want to buy a razer keyboard?

Then depending on their answer, we recommend them the keyboards suitable to what they want.

If they say they like the razer brand and want a whole collection of razer apparels, then let them get razer but just remind them of the non standard layout, clone switch and quality issue from razer company.

If they say they like blink blink, then recommend them things like Ducky and tell them ducky is the razer of MKB world and is one of the popular entry level MKB.

If they say they don't care, then recommend them the FILCO which is highly regarded here in lyn MKB sub-forum.

Or if lazy to tell, just link them my post or dadude's post above me which sounds so harsh and not forgiving. tongue.gif
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FORGIVENESS ONLY COMES WITH REPENTANCE.

OH YOU SINNERS, HAVE YOU COME TO REPENT?

If not not then not really forgiving.

QUOTE(joonwei23 @ Mar 4 2015, 01:43 AM)
Lel, calm down buddy.
Just know some that some people just want opinions over and over again to be assured that they get the best choice.
And sometimes, you or we are not patient enough to repeat. Anyways, for those who are planning to buy a keyboard, think of it this way.
It's an investment, you're gonna use it for a long time (unless you just wanna play with new boards and sell the old ones).
So I guess the proper choice is to get something good and hope it last a long time rather than something that's on sale but have a bad track record.
Not bashing Razer whatsoever, they excel in other departments just not mechanical keyboards.... biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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P/s : I can vouch for Ducky Shine series. I think I've got mine for almost 3 years (?). It's still working pretty well although I don't use it often anymore.
Filco, well... It's a solid board I'd say. I know someone over at Geekhack who has more than 5 Filco's and many more customs but he still uses his Filco as his daily driver.
If you want to talk about keyboards, you can pm me here or over at GH tongue.gif
I'm not a sifu like many here but I don't mind chatting here and there about keyboard related stuffs!
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0.0 razer good for something? Maybe paying all those marketing staff salary so that they can buy baby formula for their starving kids.
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post Mar 6 2015, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(Human10 @ Mar 5 2015, 11:36 PM)
Nope, I assume the model is Cherry G80-3800 (AKA MX 2.0), and I need to tell you that it is seriously light due to lack of backplate and pretty flimsy build.
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Unless you actually like pcb mounted feel ;P
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post Mar 8 2015, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(ian90 @ Mar 8 2015, 12:16 PM)
Hi guys, am wondering... are there any MKB with low profile keys/ shorter key travel?
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Cherry ML, Jailhouse Blues, or Razer.

QUOTE(Patent @ Mar 8 2015, 01:50 PM)
Low profile keys will be DSA, and to lower key travel you'd need to put o-rings in the keycaps.
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O-rings don't affect travel.

QUOTE(ian90 @ Mar 8 2015, 02:06 PM)
So are there any off the shelf products? 'Cause if it costs a lot more than a standard keyboard then I don't think it's within my budget already =(
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As above, but remove JHB.

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