Depends on your luck though

Oh well, join and be content with our fate as tortured souls, amidst a sea of numbers and chaos, helpless as we try to struggle against of the winds of inefficiency, and the waves of deadlines.

This post has been edited by ThanatosSwiftfire: Jul 27 2009, 06:31 PM

i doubt it. LOL. i've only heard of pure financial audit being the one that drives their people that way hahahaha.

Never!!! I've sold my body to the firm, and I am a slave as a result. Should I sell even my heart and soul, am I not just a machine?

You can frame your question better, you know.
From what I understand, basic is still RM2,400.
Bond is 4 years.

As far as I recall for PwC audit, overseas secondment is mostly for those at least ES(4+ years exp), or Managers (5+ years), and the overseas period will be for 2 years. After that, on return you will be bonded to serve PwC malaysia for another period of time.

So I would say your hopes of transfer is slim, at best. However, depending on the economic condition overseas, if there is a huge need for accounting staff overseas maybe 3 years from now, you might get the opportunity.

Hahahaha.. KPMG.. =D I like the office, alot of chicks. (maybe because of IBM oso).

But seriously, KPMG's location is horrible. Where do you find parking!!
(not that any other big 4 is any better, though...)

Hahahaha I guess I kinda compared it to my clients most of the time whom, being 'nice' to auditors, gives us free parking ahhahaha. And right outside too!

Compared to going back office and walk sooooooo far (u should try PwC's Lot F parking.. horribly... horribly far.. well.. quite)

Hahahahahaha =D Yep. It's a very humbling experience, to know that you don't know anything, and you're at the mercy of hte world lol! I've sat on the floor, sat in small conference rooms (oh the luxury), worked in obscure warehouses in balakong looking for files (something I'll remember, seriously), and uh.. yeah.. generally we get meeting rooms.

Oh! I've been asked to temporarily move to a college library to work before. Hahaha, That too was rather memorable.

I think everyone's done it before hahahha =D It's an audit thing, to be miserable, and sad hahahaha. Wouldn't be udit otherwise hahaha =D

Perhaps it's just a matter of local preference. There's honestly not much difference from 1 audit firm to another.

For managers, from what I recall you need to be professionally qualified (aka passed exams be it CPA, ACA, ACCA, CA or whatever, though there has been exceptions)

As for seniors I do not recall having such restrictions in PwC. Furthermore it'll probably be deemed unfair to draw the line between different qualifications.

Hahaha, if there is one thing I think commercial or anywhere else can't offer, is that peer group you have as your colleagues. It's like college, but you're getting paid! You even get all the drama of college, with the hot dude in ur batch going out with who and who, and the fun of having to b**** about the people you deal with.

Then there's the part where ur colleagues are studying and b****ing about work and also studies. Oh, the fun of going out, meeting up just to let out some steam! Hahahaha... That's really great I think, that sense of 'unity' amongst peers, because the lack of any mid level competition due to automatic progression and near-automatic promotion.

Sure there's some politics, and the part of having deal with the stupidity and incompetency of others, but hey, we all get to b**** about it, laugh about it, instead in commercial where u don't even have ppl in ur age group to deal with.

Audit is fun, if you can take the stress of work as just work, and can draw that line between personal and work time.

Good times don't last mah

Hahahahhahaha so true...

Don't get ahead of yourselves. You're only 19. Stay in college. Enjoy life, before you lose it in work. Don't give any of us the pleasure of saying 'i told you so' 3 years into working.

BTW, just og Singapore directly. Singapore's hiring. I've got a few fren who just got accepted in PwC singapore early January, a few in KPMG singapore (though most seem to be KPMG), one in Deloitte and a few in EY.

KPMG (got a fren literally asking everyone on her msn to submit cv through her) or smaller firms such as Grant Thornton, Horwath and BDO Raffles should be pretty aggressive in taking new recruits.

Enjoy

(though ever heard, respect is earned, not a birthright)

This post has been edited by ThanatosSwiftfire: Jan 21 2010, 05:30 PM

Should be relatively easy (for audit, i think), as for stress levels, it's the same verywhere. Performance, Singapore I think is a bit more demanding. (M'sia and Singapore aren't that different culturally and there's alot of workaholics on both sides of the causeway. If you're talking about employers in audit fields.. well.. I think everyone noes the reputation of audit firms as slavedrivers.. As for non-audit fields, well, I think it's harder to get in to consulting in singapore than M'sia, but you can still try nonetheless. Avenues and opportunities for non-audit work is better in singapore anyway. So at least u won't be bored shitless shaking leg in office in m'sia

But if given a choice (if entirely cncerned about ur future prospect), singapore is better than m'sia. Worldwide recogntion is better in singapore, and ppl at least say, 'oh.. singapore..' rather than, 'malaysia? which part of africa is that?'. Pay is better, and it's a better stepping stone. IMO, advisory ppl work hard. They have their own cycles of rushing out deliverables and mad deadlines So I doubt it's that different anywhere in the world, even in aussie. (from what I gather from research by HBR)

Good luck trying to get into aussie.. I met a dude for PwC Adelaide when he came over for 3 mths.. cool guy. a bit lame though.

(and another thing, I find older generations generally disdainful of our generations unwillingness to go through suffering hahahahah )

@grimm.

Your best option IMO, is to
2) Work 1 year in Singapore

Singapore > malaysia, in terms of rep, exposure and international recognition. Might make 3) easier too if they like ur singapore experience. (from what I hear they value Singapore ppl lol, though this is unconfirmed)

And you save more money to go over to aussie

sounds like ur enjoying urself, though

This post has been edited by ThanatosSwiftfire: Jan 26 2010, 09:08 PM