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 PROTON EXORA BOLD OWNERS THREAD! V4, Turbo vrooom vrooom pssssstt

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alexei
post May 5 2023, 12:27 PM

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So, 0W20 got see better FC?
Any chance you guys checked the turbo oil hose for sludge like suggested in fb owner club?

I'm using the 5W50 now going 0W40 with the PAO.

Waiting to see flash sale at 2pm...

QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ May 5 2023, 11:27 AM)
The Mizu I've used 2-3 oil changes on my Axia and my Exora. So far is quite good. No catastrophic even happened.
Genuinely certified Api ratings and not just slap an Api SN rating.

Furthermore I pour a can of Liqui Moly Mos2 (pour about 3/4 actually) but don't see any difference in FC. Maybe it will protect the engine better.

For the Bold oil yes it's also genuinely Certified Api but I haven't tried yet.
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yeah, crude oil price jatuh, EO also become cheap like it's unbelievable. Last time FS also 2~300 ringgit.

QUOTE(ayamxxx @ May 5 2023, 12:16 PM)
i won't recommend Oil additives on top of FS oil for recent or newer cars. Nowadays all cars need 0w20 as stock to meet better FC figures. for shopee or online EO, better take Shopee/Lazada Mall as minimum to prevent fake oil
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I used to pour Tufoil but now I don't spend extra, just use as is.

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post May 8 2023, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ May 8 2023, 08:45 AM)
Hi Alex,
Previously I have tried 0W20 and the answer is:

1) No oil consumption - which was my initial concern also.
2) FC may had improve a tiny bit, which is barely noticeable . The fuel brands will affect it noticebly.
3) Water temperature according to OBD remains normal

Do I still recommend 0w20? Yes still , if he drives the car for short distance. It may improve abit of FC like I say.
Although I have tested for various normal conditions and it doesnt exhibit oil consumption.
But anyhow I have reverted back to 5w30.

Now why would you go 50 weight? Thats very thick for even modern engine.
I can understand its for the turbo, but even Proton themselves recommend 5w30. 
Putting too high viscosity and its even worse, cause the oil will flow slower than usual.
50 weight is best for very high temperature application and continous high rev.
Traffic jam is not considered high temperature.

This article will explain clearly about high viscosity oil on race engines:
https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/...oil-track-and-/
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I think my CFE is driven quite hard, and very less traffic jam. Average FC is 11L, and coolant temp hits the fan limit quite often.
Adding to that, it's 130k km liao, maybe will have more blow-by, and causing oil thinning.

That in mind, I have the old mindset of using higher vis oil so the oil can tahan the heat. All the while, I err on the higher vis side to be 'safe'. Maybe that's wrong. In a way, whenever I feel like WOT, I can do it with a peace of mind without having to worry about 'what if the xW30 oil cannot take it' in the back of my head. Once a while, I'd do it just to hear the engine roar at 3.5k RPM. Not sure you noticed, mine makes a different howl. Maybe there is a VVT effect after all.

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Looking at the oil specs, maybe 5W50 is too thick but with very high TBN.

QUOTE(ayamxxx @ May 8 2023, 11:26 AM)
Doesn't it depend on the car manufacturer's recommendation? most nowadays engines ask for 0w20 as EO stock even with Turbo. But Campro be it cps/vvt/cfe never gets with 0w20 recommendation.
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Yeah, I'm amazed, but they use in-house designed turbo, not like CFE taking a Borg-Warner KP39A.
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post May 10 2023, 12:33 PM

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The front number by lower temp range, the back number by upper temp range.
The smaller the gap between front and back number, the better oil quality (old school thinking).
- For example: 15W40 is better than 10W40.

The Proton recommended oil is similar to generic oil visco chart from last time. Designed using 90~00's rule and technology. Modern engines running 0W20 to 0W16 are very different.

I'll go xW30 or xW40 after this.

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post May 10 2023, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ May 10 2023, 02:45 PM)
if my car recommendation with 0w20, does it ok with 0w16?
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haha, see your luck lo. But, I feel it's less aggressive than using xW20 on the CFE. I haven't look at the visco values, but that should be where I'll start.

maybe later I try xW20 on Exora and see how
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post May 22 2023, 08:58 AM

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CVT cooler leak again - cooler hose crack
VVT leak

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post May 26 2023, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ May 26 2023, 09:46 AM)
Just curious,
What was mileage or age, or is it a random thing, the cvt cooler leaks?
Didnt occur to me this thing can happen, or maybe I'm lucky it didnt happened on me.
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100k over, first time I flew over speed hump and landed on the front. Changed absorber after that to handle the way I drive.
Second time, not sure, just started out of nowhere.

If u see the CVT cooler hose, is connected from the cooler and routed under the lower front chassis, and it's almost the lowest point behind the bumper

VVT leak has been for some time, at first I thought was OCH leak, then looked closer and found it
previous service changed the VVT oil seal
now is the VVT itself leaking on the back of the module

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post Jun 2 2023, 12:58 PM

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Rear cabin droning/booming noise resolved.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2020/MC-10172774-9999.pdf
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post Jun 7 2023, 08:50 AM

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In my case, the steering rack bushings seem to degrade rather quickly.

I have replaced them during warranty period, and several more after. Reasons I feel the need to change them, is when braking downhill, the steering will 'choose' to pull either left, or right.

Next, I am going to try a set of red bushings from shopee.
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post Jun 22 2023, 08:37 PM

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Steering rack bush. Happens to me every few months.
Change to PU silicone one now.

Will update.
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post Jun 23 2023, 07:42 AM

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One more thing, changed spark plugs. The NGK must've been at least 60k km.
Now on Denso. Noticeable less vibration and engine droning noise.

Initially planned to change engine mounting, but now will just live with it first. Current set are TRIM changed at SC 33k km ago.
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post Aug 24 2023, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(imin @ Aug 20 2023, 02:58 PM)
Thanks. Which one should I get? MIZU 5W30 or 5W40 ?
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if you always run with aircon, can use 5W30 (lower coolant temp)
if always run without aircon, can use 5W40 (higher coolant temp)
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post Nov 27 2023, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(brainpower @ Nov 15 2023, 02:27 PM)
Hi all sifus.. wondering is there anyone here know any workshop that can perform repair of Turbo problem? The "engine" light kept come and go for quite some time. Went to few workshop but none know how to service or fix, except for saying is "Turbocharger underboost".

Any workshop in KL? Bangi? Semenyih? That you all used that can recommend please us highly appreciated 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻


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See comment for the parts to change, shopee got sell



QUOTE(Yveatel @ Nov 18 2023, 11:18 AM)
Hi, all sifu, my exora (2015) occasionnaly need to crank more than 2 times to start. I saw in previous thread, some said it is normal, some said it is battery. I send my car to SC and after scan, the battery is normal and still ok. May I know what is the problem?
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new engine oil does that to my Exora during cold start, but after a while it will be back to normal
what happen is like this, turn on key, then crank.... it will not start
even if start, sometimes it will die

cycle the key again, it will start up like normal

one of the suspect is the VVT actuator, what I notice sometimes when I open the boot, and turn the key to 'on'
after a few seconds, the VVT intake side will have a 'klak' actuation sound


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post Nov 27 2023, 03:09 PM

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update: 130k km steering rack right side leaking, turn steering when stationary will have 'kreak' noise
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post Nov 28 2023, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(Yveatel @ Nov 27 2023, 07:33 PM)
got one time I realise there was a 'klak' sound after I put the key on standby, like 'nnngggg' then 'klak'. When I crank it, I failed to start. Normally it should end after 'nnnggg'.
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yeah, I heard something similar, IINM it's near the intake manifold, so need to buka the hood to listen

for me, it happens quite often after an oil change, so I'm guessing because thinner oil causing the oil pressure not build up fast enough during cold start, the stock oil is 10W-30 to 15W-40... now I just use 5W-40
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post Nov 30 2023, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(Yveatel @ Nov 30 2023, 08:35 AM)
Come to think about it. indeed it happened after oil change. But I changed at SC. Shouldn't it be good and suitable for Exora?
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nothing wrong with the oil
nothing wrong with the car

just observe and I guess this is probably the pattern of this car, haha
I'm used to it already, and sort of expect it after oil change everytime
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post Nov 30 2023, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Nov 30 2023, 10:41 AM)
I think i have read u tried 0w20 on Exora Turbo. Question, can I use 0w20 on 1.6 Iriz? Had extra bottle for 0w20 plan to use that
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that was SleeplessEyes

Iriz is NA. Stock oil is xW-30. So I guess most of us including myself would use the 0W20.

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post Dec 1 2023, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(Yveatel @ Dec 1 2023, 09:02 AM)
If it is really the pattern of this car, I will not worry. Hopefully all is good. Afraid broken at roadside. That is my worry.
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Did you buy a used one? Or brand new?
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post Dec 1 2023, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(Yveatel @ Dec 1 2023, 01:06 PM)
No. I buy second
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ok, welcome to the club
suggest change oil 5k instead of 10k, that's all, the rest follow schedule, don't put engine oil additives

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post Dec 1 2023, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(Yveatel @ Dec 1 2023, 01:59 PM)
thanks. Many advise to change the oil at 5k, even though it is said for 10k. The car a bit not smooth at lower speed, and I have been told that the gear oil is dirty before 60k, so I change out around 55k. There was a time that the car lost power during heavy rain (i think I passed through a water puddle), I have to restart the car after that and all is good except a bit jerking. But SC just do some reset on the computer and so far all is good. Is there any method to stop it from happening?
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Clutch adaptation is another issue, or pattern, with this car

After CVT oil change, it will need a few, when cold, when hot, and then occasionally, during hard driving, the CVT durian logo will show up on the dash. It will on for half a minute, disappear for a few minutes, turn on again, and keep cycling...

When that happens, do another round of adaptation...

happened to me 2 times, both also after CVT oil change...

another CVT durian happens when driving the car off during cold, the CVT stuck at low gear, meaning the RPM will climb up but the car moves slow
don't panic, this one just off engine, restart, do adaptation, should settle

most of the time when stop at traffic light, I will do adaptation minus the reverse gear one

However, if after adaptation, the gear shift still jerking, or when you tekan brake masuk D, the car still vibrating, or when you masuk reverse, the engine lost power and died... could be engine mounting issue

Exora engine mounting, now the Proton give one is "TRIM" brand, chop on the mounting itself. This one last me the longest, so far no vibrate.
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post Jan 5 2024, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Dec 17 2023, 06:56 AM)
next time pilih kereta using chain not belt.
berapa odometer sekarang?
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