everybody will stop buying until next year after GST

One more thing i notice is once bear bear cannot take the heat from everyone. He will run away and then reply when we are gone.

Where's bear bear n ice cream?

You are asking bear bear to buy this? 230k so cheap? You dog eye him ah?

psps, jut amend info

Got rebate..means can get cheaper coz rebate maens dev = cant sell out the unit. Wait abit long more will discount more. 

bearbearwong is a very interesting forum member in LYN. His behaviour brought us lots of fun and at the same time, he showed us many things which we should avoid. There are many mistakes he made, and below are 6 mistakes made by bearbear which I think home buyers and investors alike can "learn" from him and avoid them in their future purchases :

Mistake #1 Confused objective
bearbear's intention to buy a property is for own stay. For own stay, the objective is totally different from investment. For own stay, it is 1 of the 4 daily needs (clothing, food, dwelling and transport). Just like clothing, food and transport, we buy a house when we need it (like marriage). We should not delay because it is our need. We can always choose a budget that suits us. But bearbear wanted designer cloth and BMW instead of something more affordable. He wanted those mid-high end housing >RM600k instead of those RM300k+ which is his actual affordable budget.

Moreover, for own stay, the future rise and fall of market price does not affect him. He still have to own the house if the market price increase by 100%. He can't sell it for profit otherwise he has no roof over his head. Likewise, if the market falls by 50%, he will not sell either. A house for own stay is a need, not an investment which could turn into profit or loss due to price movement
Mistake #2 Buying a property is a 1 time decision
bearbear thought that buying a house is a 1 time decision (like marriage). But in fact, almost everyone have the opportunity to upgrade their house in the future. Therefore, we should buy a property based on our own financial ability at that time. We should not think that we will be stuck with a property for whole life. We can always sell it and upgrade to a better property in the future. Thinking buying a property and will stay in it for the rest of you life will make your purchase decision very difficult
Mistake #3 Timing the market
Nobody knows the timing of market ups and downs. It applies to any market including stock and property. So, it is foolish to time the market for best price. Instead, the best time to buy a property is when you are financially ready and comfortable. Timing the market is like gambling. If you time the market wrongly, the loss is substantial. Just like the DDDs for the last 5-6 years, they have missed the great opportunity of riding the super bull run which has never been seen in malaysia property market history

Over long term, in malaysia property market history, market price will increase between 5%-10% pa on long term average. So, in 20 years time and beyond, the property will appreciate at least 3 times. Of course, there are ups and downs during the 20 years period, but if a person holds a long term view, the price is on an upward linear trend as history has shown us
Mistake #4 want to wear too big a hat
bearbear's salary is only RM4k gross. His saving is only RM40k. But he aspire to buy property in the region of RM600k-RM700k. He has over-stretched his budget. The result would be catastrophic. A property buyer should not over-stretch their financial ability, unless he has backup from PAMA or spouse. With RM4k salary, bearbear should only be looking at property in the region of RM300k-RM400k. However, he even take into account his 3 credit card limit of RM50k in choosing his target property. Using credit card as part of the deposit is plainly a foolish decision

Be truthful to yourself. Weigh your financial ability objectively. Face and social status will be down the drain when repo man knocks on your door.
Mistake #5 getting influenced by his working life
bearbear has a "hazardous" job. His repomen job forces him to meet people who failed financially everyday. When he sees people bankrupt day in day out, he is influenced by them and giving him an impression that many people are facing financial trouble. This could have lead him to believe that most people are not prudent in their financial management and hence, most property buyers are vulnerable to fail. His mindset has become negative and pessimistic. Causing him to read any news and deduce his own findings negatively.

His world becomes doom and gloom and market will crash soon. He cannot see the market objectively anymore. As such, his market outlook causes him to think crash is coming and he should delay his purchase decision.

Property purchase is 1 of our biggest decision. We should be more objective when making such decision. Try to get advice from as many people as possible instead of being influenced by people around you.
   
 
Mistake #6 wish the environment to come down to meet his wants instead of working towards achieving his wish
He already has a job. He can work hard to improve his income. If he works towards improving his income by double to RM8k, buying the property of his choice is no more an issue. However, instead of working hard to achieve higher income, he blame the market instead. He whine about the UUU, the flippers, the government etc for causing the price to inflate exponentially until his current salary could not afford.

Instead of working hard, he spend a big proportion of his productive time from 7am - 12 midnight in the forum argue with the UUU and other property buyers. He did not realise he is spending his time unproductively and will not help in his career. He should have use his productive time to work towards how to achieve better career path instead.

We should always bear in mind in this cruel world, nothing will come to you unless you make an effort to achieve it. Ie. there is no free lunch and complaining wouldn't help you get what you wish
I am sure there are more bearbear's mistakes which we can learn. Feel free to add on 

p/s if I have time, I will examine the mistakes made by iceman....

No. U r dead wrong. I wanted 300k profit n willing to drop down to 250k n that's my limit but that guy only offer up to 190k as he know the launching price n how much we profited.

I not selling n not market no demand. Bbw ll not understand this....

Lil hope of reaching 2.5k posts with both ddd mia

Lat jiu gor, you affected by bear bear syndrom ah? Look so up on yourself one? Here is kopitiam la.... talk kok place mah:P

Yeah lat jiu gor is one of the top 3 I guess.

Btw wat do u think of tis article???

After showtime shoot accurately, bbw siam by all mean. What showtime comment is perfect.

Appreciate n c-unt not in the top 5 list meh? Have Cloud also should in but he missing liao.

Bbw not stupid geh....he can rent 10-20 years or the rest of his life. But who knows one day property market really crash 80% down but u also got to make sure you not go sell salt duck egg first....

Why me  I love bearbear pls don't put me in most hatered list..I just telling the truth 

Bro showtime747 u owe all of us here kopi susu because of your too truthful comment scare off bearbear to come here today. ..we all will hold u responsible if Bearbear never come back 

Bro bear, just to share with u. Since lately ur comrade has been playing with ice cream, let's TOK bout ice cream.

I blif u hav no idea how much profit an ice cream franchise holder is making. Or how high the margin for an ice cream trader.

Tis real life story is bout my Fren hor. Not me har. He is a franchisee, not even a franchiser for a well known ice cream brand. Operating onli one huge kiosk. At the same time he has 2 local cuisine restaurant. All together he has bout 35 staffs. No proper management cos he is running it as it is. 3 outlets onli. He jaga 2 his adik jaga 1.

Nett profit for last financial yr is 2.5m n tis yr approaching 3m b4 closing.

Biz is tough??? Yes. He oso kao beh kao bu saying susah ni susah tu but moolah stil keep flowing in. He is in the rite ind with the rite product. So even during market down, all here stil need to eat. And u need to eat the food tat v can regularly get in town. Fortunately he is in tis category. So dai kui fatt tat hor.

I'm surprise to c some here stil not able to accept tat there r a grp of ppl able to overcome the rough surface ahead. I can't deny majority might b facing trouble in loan but it doesn't prove ddd rite as bro bear did claim tat lotsa hidden income fr lawyers bankers runners or whoeva. Until they show all tis extra incomes kept in dark due to greed n evil intention, banks would not b so silly to just approve the loan to any td&h lo.

I oso seen a guy earning big pocketing oversea income getting loan approved here in malai by showing those docs to banks. Banks Luv them cos they know they r rich in reality but not in malai. And it's pretty sad to c many here working too hard but not justified in term of their income by banks here.

Another FREN came to me last nite who works closely with gov arms providing consultations. He charge 500.00 for an hr Tok. All expenses covered by gov agencies to make sure he reach the destination and back home, with nice accommodation and transportation, but no char boh la. As long as he can keep toking, he has the moolah in his pockets. He is oso act as a sourcing agent to gov agency. Income earned in between is not mandatory to file in irb cos its thru commission basis with recorded in suppliers acc.

Anw, just for sharing. Not saying u r wrong. It's just so unfortunate so happen u r in the wrong ind. maybe u would like to think of the next move in order to make u a beta person at least mentally. U r currently having no trust to prop market yet die die must Hav one super cheap but super gd deal. I can onli say it onli happen in dream tat I'm living in sentosa cove with sgd100k.

The property market is not at risks from the wealth off or rich people but over stretched flippers, it will be these people that send the property price down.

You sound like those kindy kid who lost in a fight and say "later my father come and beat you all 1 by 1 then you all know...." 

Grow up. Talk about why property will crash. Not those kid's talk...

Those profited earlier are more likely to pour back for more flipping and are equally if not more at risks.

With your posts on bbw, you are a person better not to be friend with.

Banks lending may be stricter than before but those overstretched flippers are already in the system waiting for units to VP.

That guy's 46k cash is probably all from the 50k personal loan. He never substantial his strong holding power.