Hi all..im a hobbyist photographer and have a D90 with some lenses and accessories. i mostly shoot wideangle landscape and street photography. and sometimes family wedding. so lately the camera have been collecting dust and stay in the drybox due to family commitment and work.its a been a year or plus i didn't really take my camera for outing. its not really practical now with 3 kids. plus i always use my phone to take casual pictures.

im thinking to let go my DLSR and migrate to mirrorless. on paper they are better in terms of image quality, speed, AF and stuff, and also they are more practical to move around with.. but i heard that mirrorless startup time is slower. according to my reading..2 sec or more.. thats a big worry to me since i shoot street photography and sometimes wedding. with 2 seconds delay i can miss a good shot.. for landscape i don't mind that.

so my question.as a hobbyist and casual photographer. is it worthy to migrate to mirrorless from a DSLR. have anyone use it for for wedding or street photography? i feel that is such a loss to keep the D90 with me since i seldom use it now. thinking to sell it with all the accessories to fund the new system with some accessories. while it has value.

My Gears: D90, 18-105mm kit lens, Tokina 11-16mm, nikkor 50mm, nikkor 35mm, sb800.

thanks

This post has been edited by sallehsi: Nov 13 2014, 09:20 AM

I enjoy casual photography with my Canon EOS M. Not the best mirrorless out there but the price its a very good buy. But yeah whenever I feel like taking casually pictures for casual outings feels much more comfortable. You will feel like taking out the mirrorless camera out much more than a DSLR. The feeling of not wanting to take a DSLR out because its so big and cumbersome and big ass lenses pointing at peoples face. Mirrorless does suit casual and street photography.

I don't think missing a moment or image quality will be an issue here for mirrorless. Unless you need accurate FPS shooting.

about the 2 sec. delay, i suggest u let the camera in power save mode 1st, so u can awaken the camera shorter than 2 sec. power on

btw, if u prefer APS-C image sensor with fast & accurate AF, i'm strongly recommend Sony A6000. it really amazing!!!

so many gears to choose from. I implore you to consider fixed lens cameras like Olympus XZ2, Sony RX100, Fuji X20

A6000 is in my toplist. 2nd ia panasonic gx7. Do u have any lens reccomendation? Is the kit lens good enough? Im really interested with pancake lens.

This post has been edited by sallehsi: Nov 13 2014, 11:44 AM

kit lens is good enough for general usage. unless u very often to do macro, i suggest macro lenses for that

with the commitments you mentioned, you won't have time to play your new gears regularly even if you change to mirrorless system.
M4/3 is really good and offer wide range of quality lenses but the price is steep
fixed lens camera outdates far too easy
I suggest just keep your system and take casual pictures using your phone, just like what you are doing now.
why?
been there, done that...

I agree, if TS doesn't have time for his D90, there is a high chance that he won't have time for the new system too
Maybe just invest in a smartphone with good camera, they are so awesome nowadays

i might want to suggest to panasonic lx100

compact 4/3 sensor with 4k video recording.simply a perfect camera for me

http://www.panasonic.com/uk/consumer/camer.../dmc-lx100.html

No doubt they arebgood.. But i dont have the flexibility of interchange lens

Err actually you both got a point there.. I am actually very sayang to let the dslr go...but also sad to see them in box not doing anything. Maybe same thing will happen if i go mirrorless

This post has been edited by sallehsi: Nov 13 2014, 02:04 PM

why don't you teach your children about photography (I know it's hard especially in this tablet games time).
you can let them use your old gear, so that these wonderful gears won't be wasted

I would suggest something small and pocket-able so you would be able to bring it everywhere.

Fuji xm + a pancake
Sony a6000 + a pancake / the 1650 kit zoom

With these you would be able to lug your cameras everywhere and shoot casually more often.

Even if you wanna do something more serious to hang on ur wall... like landscape or street, you'd have option to switch to better lenses. The lens available from sony and fuji quite suit your needs as well.

Those m43 from olympus and panasonic would do too. if i recall they got some pretty small body and lenses, but I'm not that familiar with them

PS: as for the startup time I wouldnt bother that much, before i switched to mirrorless i think that it would bother me. but then .. not so much when im operating it as i leave the camera on most of the time when im shooting anyway

This post has been edited by QiAnG: Nov 13 2014, 02:19 PM

Kids still young bro.. Haha.. Well, I still have my nikon f50 to play around if i decided to sell the dslr n get mirrorless.but yeah. U guys made me think twice about selling dslr lol

ah yes. it's very very high tech device.

if you want to go interchangeable, go for good lens. no use going for cheap lens. cheap lens usually comes with kit

Olympus em5/em10 with kit lens and get a used 14mm pancake u re good to go

i assume you guys were DSLR user at one time and now using mirrorless..if yes..is there anything you guys miss/regret?

Although I have a DSLR and a mirrorless camera, most of the time I still prefer to use my DSLR to get the most out of my shots

I only use my mirrorless camera for long trips or journeys

In the end I still love the optical viewfinder and ergonomics of DSLR despite the weight haha, but that's just me la.. I know a lot of people switched entirely to mirrorless and never looked back

DSLR is more ergonomic especially when you're shooting macro

This post has been edited by Xiia0Ban: Nov 14 2014, 10:38 AM

Yaya true~ But I was referring to casual shooting just now haha
For the time being mirrorless cannot compare to DSLR at all when it comes to macro

nope. mirrorless camera quite good enough for me, compare with DSLR

Mirrorless camera is not a dslr, so don't expect it to perform like one, especially in af speed, response and even the start up time you were mentioning. But the image quality these days in mirror less is good enough to replace a dslr on certain extend.

I guess most of us here are from dslr league. So when choosing a mirrorless system, we be more cautious as we want the best out of the system. Each system has its advantage and as far as I know you can't get the best of both world. Example like Olympus is famous for its in body stabilisation and weather sealing, Panasonic has its GM1 for smallest CSC contender and the noctilux, fujifilm has it unique x trans sensor and retro styling, Sony has blazing fast af speed and zeiss lens as stronghold.

So when I buy a mirrorless, I wish I have all the wanted stuffs as I said above. So for me any system will do, as I will eventually suit to the system and get my photos out of it. Quote from my sifu: "a good photographer should able to make good picture with the gears on hand and not relying on hears to make good picture."

Anyhow, happy shopping!

Shooting with flash at very low light events. Where an external flash and its AF assist beams. I don't know how mirrorless performs in this area. I don't see much reviews or discussions about it. I know the mirrorless can't access the flash guns AF beams because it uses a different focus system.

A DSLR with a flashgun combo is still awesomeness for indoor events. And the best flash guns aren't small so that big DSLR body really helps support and balance it when you hold the combo.

If you can't let go of flash photography then its best not to let go of DSLR just yet.

well, Olympus is also famous with its blazing fast AF speed too.

well, you get some you lose some.

for example comparing my Canon 550D to Olympus EM10, both have their own strengths and weakness.

In comparison

Canon 550D
-better grip and ergonomics, since button are spread apart further away than small mirrorless
-faster write speed or buffer? even shooting RAW, the process of taking the image then previewing it is instant, where with the olympus I had to wait 2 or 3 seconds
-OVF, means even using flash in M mode, I have a bright and clear viewfinder, where the EM10 darkens until almost pitch black as it previews the exposure
-cheap lenses, I have the good Tamron 70-200 for below 2k but with m4/3 system, the closest equivalent is the panasonic 35-100 which is 3k+. most dslr lenses are cheaper than mirrorless too because of the age.
-battery life is crazily good, I got 900 images in a single charge from the 550D before although it is rated at 500-600 shots only, since you can turn off the preview/screen that uses a lot battery.
-noisy shutter. it varies from different dslr, but the sound of mirror flipping is extremely annoying if you are photographing concert or street which always unwanted attention.


Olympus em10
-well, the size and weight is nothing compared to a dslr, very light to carry around and hanging on your neck/ hand, less tiring for long time usage.
-in body stabilization, a very big advantage compared to dslr, I did some experiment before, got very good results of handholding the camera for 2 seconds at 24mm. put any lens on the camera and you still get stabilization.
-EVF, a lot bigger and more functions can be shown. with dslr you get very small viewfinder on entry level models with basic information of exposure only. with EVF, you get tons of information like leveling/ peaking (good for manual focus)/ various grids to aid composition/ previewing images and even recording video using viewfinder.
-resolution of EVF, as good as it goes, a EVF is basically a smaller LCD. you don't get the same kind of feel like a optical dslr, just like looking at a image on your computer and seeing it in real life. you get a little lag when pan around or subjects moving around, then the colors are a little off compared to real life.
-good quality lenses. although more expensive, more mirrorless lenses are built in a good quality since they are newer. almost every olympus lenses have good performance regarding kit lens or pro lens. the aperture plays a role in separating the pricing rather than sharpness.
-battery life is quite poor, I got maximum 300 shots with the camera which only lasted for less than half day. with wifi those functions turned on, it gets even worse.

Image quality wise, they are from different formats so comparing them aren't really fair. hope you can understand my not so professional kind of writing and comparison.

how about 550D vs A6000?

thats is another concern..flash photography..how do mirrorless perform with indoor flash photography?

i've read somewhere tha the a6000 can be use with any flash including nikon. if this true then it good, i dont have to sell my SB800.

btw i already put my gears in the market, but please keep the opinions coming as i may having 2nd thoughts on selling.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3410541

http://www.garyfong.com/videos/unleashing-...your-sony-a6000

looks like you are poisoned by the A6000.

Its AF system is like dslr level (some even test it against Nikon D4s), with 179 phase detection points and 25 contrast detection points.

It is a good camera with all possibilities. The downside is the battery only (most mirrorless has this problem), u need to have extra batteries.

This post has been edited by hensky: Nov 14 2014, 04:32 PM

You meant this video?


I don't mind carrying extra batteries since the weight of the batteries are much lighter than the DSLR.

This post has been edited by Xiia0Ban: Nov 14 2014, 04:35 PM

yeah a6000 is the reason why i had an epiphany about changing to mirrorless. i missed bringing my camera during family outing. need to get a 'smaller DSLR'.. i was sceptical but after read some reviews and play around at shop, i think its amazing..but i am still having doubts and concerns, hence this thread is made.

just to share
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfjsG1NlGMo

This post has been edited by sallehsi: Nov 14 2014, 05:11 PM

Why not trying the x-t1? Maybe the AF isn't as good as the a6000

But the quality of the lens simply the best

My friend and I made the switch from Nikon and Canon to X-T1 after tried it.

Who is the one that hasut u guys?

Btw forgot to tell story that 3 of my friend switched to fuji after I showed to them sample image taken from my xe1 and xf 35.

Two of them with x-t1 and kit lens. The rest x-e1 and kit lens

And they just wowed when they saw the image on the computer

Quite a number of people
Then the design of X-T1 caught my attention, where the design is much different from other mirrorless camera.
After I bought it, I am impressed with the colour and IQ of the photo taken by X-T1 even though it's just 16MP.


This post has been edited by Xiia0Ban: Nov 14 2014, 05:47 PM

only tried the a6000 for few minutes at shop, looks promising especially the AF system, but not a fan of sony's lenses (zeiss is very expensive in comparison).

This is a very difficult choice for me

I have tried XT-1, XM-1, XE-2 for 2 hrs


I like XT-1 EVF, very nice, but XT1 is feels heavy.

The magnesium body was solid.

When I touch XM1 and XE2, the premium feel dissipated

Now still deciding A6000 or XM1

how good is fujifilm after sales support..i heard they dont have service centres in malaysia and all service job they use 3rd party or sent to singapore. how about video performance?

if i have to choose between these 4. which one is the best for all rounder in terms of photo and video

sony a6000
fuji ex2
panasonic gx7
olympus omd em10

price almost the same,

This post has been edited by sallehsi: Nov 15 2014, 08:04 AM

U "heard"?


http://www.fujifilm.com.my/contact/service_centre/


The service centre is in Shah Alam

From my experience talking to the salesman & the japanese manager, reading about them, comparison, looking at their lens roadmap, I feel Fujifilm is really serious, as a brand, and quality-wise too.

oh sorry..i didnt check that..yeah i heard from a 'sony' fan shop..they said shah alam is their distributor..not service center. again correct me if im wrong.

and also, is it worth to consider samsung nx30.

I own many sony stuffs, xperia tablet, xperia hp, point & shoot cam, video cam etc but I dun become "fan" or loyal to brand. I do explore other options because im the customer =P

I used samsung nx2000 before. Samsung nx30, not sure. Currently im fighting the dilemma of A6000 vs XM-1

Now that u mentioned NX30, I googled it, and might wanna try this too.

Thanks =)

I own many sony stuffs, xperia tablet, xperia hp, point & shoot cam, video cam etc but I dun become "fan" or loyal to brand. I do explore other options because im the customer =P

I used samsung nx2000 before. Samsung nx30, not sure. Currently im fighting the dilemma of A6000 vs XM-1

Now that u mentioned NX30, I googled it, and might wanna try this too.

Thanks =)

Yes, it's worth it. I still have my D300S & all the lenses but I also use A Sony NEX series mirror less camera. It's so liberating sometimes especially during travels. And the image quality is superb too.

honestly internet may say many things... spec on paper may sound so good and crazy impressive. but you still need to go test it out.... some working spec may not suit your shooting style. there are many thing that they dont mention in papers, or even "sound" impressive but doesnt deliver as said in real life like the AF, battery life etc.

like fuji, eos M has terrible slow focusing(out of focus or miss the shot) compare to Sony, Panasonic and Olympus system. if you need speed, sony panasonic and olympus can deliver better edge.

i avoid sony A7 because its pricing and i dont think TS is looking for a heavy investment.

(side note, Olympus filed bankruptcy late last year, and appeal to Sony to invest into Olympus. Sony now owns 11% of Olympus and since then, Sony has been making sensor to be used in Olympus camera.)

today best investment(bang for money) would be the A6000, best tech, EVF (or non evf A5100), speed, 24mp, good iso handling, wifi(most mirrorless camera adapt this feature now), wifi remote, easy to find lens, and cheapest 16mm+fisheye combo(f2.8 AF), time to time workshops and crazy offer off lenses.

a friend just come back from sepang motoGP last month... with his A6000 and 18200. while he was shooting beside a XXXX fellow with hugeee lens, he was surprise to hear that small machine firing 11fps, and ask my friend if his photo are even sharp at all, my friend showed him... every photo are tack sharp in focus while his XXXX misses focus on several shot on his 11fps, that profession photographer was totally sold(my friend kept his number and whatsapp with him, he brought a6000 2 week later)...

xe2 isn't really the same price range, it's 3k+ instead of <2.5k like other 3 (the pana might be 3k+ if you go for the 20mm f1.7). xm1 would be the competitor instead, but no viewfinder.

I bought a DSLR 2 years ago and tried taking holidays as well as casual photographs.
Hated carrying it around.
Gave up after 6 months, sold it and bought a Sony NEX5 instead with 18 - 55 kit lenses.
Recently bought 55 - 200 to supplement it.
No regrets at all.
I looked at the replacement Sony A series cameras but they were more bulky then the predecessors so I guess I am keeping the NEX5 for a while.
But I am looking at buying one more fixed lens to make the camera smaller so that it fits into my pocket but not sure which one to buy yet.
But I am not an avid photographer. Just want to take shots during holidays mostly.

I miss the weight. :-P After more than one year using mirrorless my D90 feels like a dumbell. It has been sitting in the dry cabinet for 2 years already.

But seriously, I miss the pleasure of using the optical view finder, especially with tele lenses.

just to update..I have bought a sony a6000 mirrorless with kit lens. at first it felt awkward with the style but i am already get used to it. IQ is very good. i bought a lens adapter and i can still use all my Nikon lenses, with manual focus of course. but its not a problem with the focus peaking features. its fun to use. now im planing to get a few cheap prime lens nikon mount.


it is indeed a fun and yet a serious camera at the same time.


still looking buyers too buy D90 . but i have no regret switching.

This post has been edited by sallehsi: Dec 31 2014, 02:47 PM

Selling the SB-800?

Go SLT!!!

yeah u can check my thread here

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f...0#entry72315898

where u buy your a6000?
saw it on shashinki @2.8k but import set.

bought from Lazada. Got mine around 1.8k ++.with many discount. during year end sale and credit card rebate. import set

i m thinking bout this too.
but i always miss the DSLR capabilities which mirrorless cant do.
furthermore when people keep calling u "photographer" eventho you aren't and asking u to take the pictures for them.

should i get this prime lens Sony E 16mm f/2.8 (SEL-16F28) if already have the kit lens 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 OSS ??

It has the same wide angel focal length. Why do u need it? .. Unless u really need the f2.8

I have both actually.bought a used 16mm cheap. the 16mm attach to the camera most of the time because its smaller and i like to shoot wide. for longer reach i use 55-210.the kit lens is good already for normal use.

What are the things dslr can do but mirrorless cant? 7 years with dslr and im not missing anything after switch to mirrorless.except the weight and bulky.

I'm keeping a DSLR (Canon 60D) for now because that my EM-5 auto-focus is a bit crippled when it comes to focusing on moving objects.

sony a6000 ftw ^^. wolrd fastest AF

Wow, nice deal!

What kit lens did you get?

May i know what brand of lens adapter u bought and how much?

only 16-50mmkit lens and standard freebies. now already have 55-210mm and 16mm..both used lens.and 500mm+la-ea4 for birding

depends which model of the mirrorless camera. in fact, plenty of mirrorless camera is capable for professional use

example A6000, A7S

Good choice, enjoy!

A6000 is also on my wish list once, but getting a good lens is very expensive, which is why I have fallen back to Omd Em5, the IS is just awesome! Now that omd em5 II is out, it will be my next upgrade.

A6000 + legacy glass with adapter is really fun to use.

yeah im quite jelly olympus user has BIS..500mm without IS is really pain in the ass...as far as lens concern..im sticking with native e-mount for now..its good enough.

Originally I was on the same thinking line, use the kit lens 16-50 then save enough for good lens like the 35/1.8 or the touit (which costs more than the body), but then I am scared I will miss the m4/3 line of lenses. Now that em5 ii is out, and the m4/3 keeps getting better, I will stick with the m4/3 for now.

I had an hands-on experience with the Sony A6000 a couple months back and I really like it a lot, the AF speed is blazing fast, its got Wi-Fi, HDR feature, 24mp on an apsc sensor and the list goes on. It really has a lot going for it. And i have watched some videos on the output of the a6000, they are really really good. My main concerns remains with the costs of its line of good lenses. Though the a6000 prices had come down a lot.

On the other hand, m4/3 had been turning out some good lenses which are really affordable, not to mention their pro-level lenses. Who knows what else they will come up with next.

But who knows what Sony might come out next, it's about time already,

Happy shooting everybody, and Happy Chap Goh Meh!

It is already available..a7ii 5 axis was adopted from olympus technology. it will arrive at the aps-c eventually.

sony said it is not from olympus.

and frankly speaking, stabilizing a m43 sensor is totally different with stabilizing a FF sensor. 4 times larger and heavier?