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post Aug 17 2019, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Aug 17 2019, 02:59 PM)
I believe as there's no agreement between Malaysia / US as a Malaysian tax resident we're not actually able to get any o the WT back (not in any automated way, anyway)

The best approach really if you're after dividends is to use Ireland domiciled ETFs - eg. buy and hold VUSD vs SPY.
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Correct...no tax treaty
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post Aug 17 2019, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Aug 17 2019, 02:41 PM)
Hi Ramjade. So, by filling income tax I can have partial "refund" from the 30% dividend paid? How much of refund can it be? Is it 50% of the withholding tax as claimed in the first post?

Why would my life be more difficult?

I have heard about FATCA but not quite sure about its impact to us NRAs. Can you elaborate more on this?
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AFAIK... nonresident alien is taxed flat rate 30%... so no point in irs filing

I have no idea where this 50% refund comes from. I've not seen it in the irs website

Edit update...ok so 1040NR instructions have 2 examples of incorrect rates on dividend withheld and filing for refund... effectively 15% so maybe this is where it came

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post Aug 17 2019, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Aug 17 2019, 08:16 PM)
This refund only applies if you’re tax resident of a country that has a tax treaty in place. It’s basically what’s happening behind the scenes between Ireland / US on ETFs domiciled there.

I need to update the initial post really - a bit misleading smile.gif
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Yup... this from irs website...

"FDAP income is passive income such as interest, dividends, rents or royalties. This income is taxed at a flat 30% rate, unless a tax treaty specifies a lower rate."
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post Aug 17 2019, 08:33 PM

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If got tax treaty, you file another form to reduce tax withholding
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post Aug 17 2019, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 17 2019, 08:37 PM)
Bro,.. since we are on this subject, there are certain interest incomes that are not taxed at 30%, and are tax-free to the Non-Resident Alien. We call these incomes as QIIs - Qualified Interest Incomes.

If we invest into these instruments, we would not need to pay US tax on such incomes,...
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Yup, also got qualified dividend income. 0% tax or somewhere in between, depending on the investment. Ideally the broker should deduct correctly. If over deduct 30% you do IRS filing to claim it back. IRS will send you a USD check or direct deposit to your US account.


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post Aug 18 2019, 09:40 PM

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TIN is Tax Identification Number, given by the IRS for ppl who wanna file a return, but don't have a SSN (social security number). It is not our LHDN tax number.

W-8ben tell the broker you are a NRA and to apply 30% WHT. You don't need to do anything else. If you are a US person with SSN you will need to file a W-9 form; in January the broker will provide you a bunch of income tax statements for you to file your returns with IRS.

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post Aug 18 2019, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Aug 18 2019, 08:20 PM)
Hi all.

I have some questions with the concerns of messing up with the US government. I understand about the concern especially with the CRS (common reporting standards) being adopted in many countries these days.

As for tax no., I believe the US tax no. id officially called TIN or Tax Identification No. As far as I know, even a TIN is required when you fill up the W-8BEN form, which concerns with the 30% WHT. So, every NRA like us who invest directly in the NYSE (dividend-paying stocks or ETFs) will be required to fill up the W-8BEN form even if we don't ask for the "50% WHT refund".

So, is Ramjade trying to say that one should not even invest in the NYSE directly? (since you already need to file a tax form with a TIN on your W-8BEN)
Referring to the bolded part, pay the tax and try to claim it back? Isn't that what I am asking here and you are against it? Now you are advocating it here? Or a typo?

As for those who suggest to buy funds try UCITS, I am aware of the benefits.

Just one concern, most USD-denominated UCITS are traded on LSE and SIX. And their markets are less liquid than NYSE. Can anyone recommend brokers in Singapore or Malaysia who deal with the Vanguard S&P 500 UCITS on LSE or the iShares S&P 500 UCITS (Accumulating class, USD-denominated) on either LSE/SIX?

I am a long-term investor, so Interactive Broker is not suitable for me as I don't have 100k USD anytime soon, nor do I want to pay 10 USD per month for commission. I am looking for something similar to TD Ameritrade, one-off commission, and can last forever. It's kind of unfortunate that TD Ameritrade only offers trading in US markets.

Thanks for the help, everyone.
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For cheap brokers look up "tradestation international" or "captrader"...both IBKR whitelabels. Like Ramjade bro said forget about local brokers.
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post Aug 18 2019, 11:15 PM

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[quote=TOS,Aug 18 2019, 10:14 PM]
Ok, please check the facts below:

1. TIN is NOT the same as US Income Tax No.
Same. IRS uses SSN or TIN

2. You need a TIN when filling up the W-8BENN form,
Nope, unless you ald got one.

3. You need a US Income Tax no. when filling up the 1040NR form
Yes

So, basically the first post of the thread is wrong, for Malaysian investors, that is. It is not possible to claim back ANY portion of the 30% WHT for us NRAs without tax treaty of any kind with the US, correct?)

Yes & No. QII type investment can claim back some %



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post Aug 18 2019, 11:29 PM

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FATCA is US government effort to catch their US citizens /green card holders from lari tax and/or under report or not reporting their overseas income/assets.

Nothing really to do with us...

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post Aug 19 2019, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Aug 19 2019, 03:57 PM)
Now I have a clearer view.

Regarding Captrader and Tradestation, I am fine with both brokers and the fees seem low.

The thing is, I don't know how much is the commission charges for USD-denominated ETF on LSE and SIX?

The brokers only give GBP and euros for trade commissions in LSE and SIX respectively.

Does that mean that I need to pay the commissions in pounds or euros to buy USD-denominated UCITS?

Thanks for the help everyone.
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Yes
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post Aug 24 2019, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(TradeMinim @ Aug 24 2019, 01:51 PM)
Interactive Brokers are great smile.gif
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Only because of cheap fees, but...

Need to pay extra for live feed. Got min activity fee $10 per month unless you got >$100k or monthly commissions >$10

TWS harder to set up, and in my case glitch on me now and then.

Imho just ok, not great. But certainly top 3 broker choice.
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post Aug 24 2019, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 24 2019, 02:51 PM)
I use whitelabels to get around the monthly fee.
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Yes I know. He said IBKR... just pointing out some quick pros/cons.

Btw, depending on the size of the trades and markets, lowest fees varies between captrader / tradestation global / IBKR, so there's that...
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post Aug 24 2019, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(roarus @ Aug 24 2019, 03:49 PM)
Base currency doesn't affect anything (to us Malaysians at least). It's more to reference your portfolio or report in your 'home currency'. But since MYR is not available, either USD or SGD will still look 'alien' to us anyways. You can change your base currency in account settings.

You're free to fund and convert to other currency outside your selected base currency as well.
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Minor OT... do they charge a fee for conversion, assuming it like a fx trade? Say you fund in usd n buy stocks in eur in Amsterdam. Thanks

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post Aug 24 2019, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 24 2019, 05:24 PM)
About USD2/transaction.
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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Aug 24 2019, 05:34 PM)
A small fee - rate you get is within a pip or half of spot.

By default if you have USD and buy a stock in EUR you’ll have a negative USD balance which will get interest charged on it.
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post Aug 24 2019, 11:50 PM

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Charles Schwab wants US$25k to open account

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post Aug 25 2019, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(Kudo2012 @ Aug 25 2019, 10:42 AM)
Mnaged to added SG currency after the 2nd tried.

one question about the inactivity fee.
TradeStation Global does apply an inactivity fee and it is $10 per month if you don't generate minimum $10 commission.

does it means i have to trade US stock at least 7 trade per month since the minimum rate is USD 1.50 per trade?
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Eh...they say no minimum activity required but inactive account they may do something... where you read got $10 fee
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post Aug 25 2019, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(Kudo2012 @ Aug 25 2019, 12:58 PM)
Check direct website faq lah...its says no min trade...no mention of inactivity fee
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post Aug 25 2019, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(Kudo2012 @ Aug 25 2019, 01:25 PM)
Greatm thanks for the advice rclxms.gif
sorry, my bad rclxub.gif
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post Aug 26 2019, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(dreaming_gal123 @ Aug 26 2019, 12:29 PM)
Will there be any liquidity issue if buy Ireland domiciled ETF? Sorry for the noob question.
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it depends which etf and how much you wanna hoot

the diy s&p500 guide shows xetra exchange: sxr8 ticker, volume there quite low 1~1.5k per day so say about US$400k value traded at current price <- edit: wrong info from bloomberg. xetra shows about 35K volume, about 10mil euro traded. so not going to have liquidity issue.

if wanna sailang whole kampung collection...can always go to other exchanges in Amsterdam, Switzerland or London that have much higher volumes to hoot the same etf...just be aware that the ticker has a different name like cspx, ccspx, etc...also the prices can be different, the commissions can be different, the exchange fees can be different, and some are accumulating and some are distributing...

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post Aug 27 2019, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(dreaming_gal123 @ Aug 26 2019, 12:29 PM)
Will there be any liquidity issue if buy Ireland domiciled ETF? Sorry for the noob question.
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