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post Jul 25 2021, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(merchant9 @ Jul 25 2021, 09:55 PM)
Yes, after watching some videos last night, got a better understanding. I'm looking to buy into CSPX (guess it's still the best choice for S&P500), high dividend stock and maybe China tech market index.

The same video I watched in Post #1 recommends TSG over regular IBKR. Do you have reasons to contradict the recommendation? Please share some insights. Thank you in advance.
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Ziet has something to say about TSG vs IB. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvwoBjGPG8Y&t=169s

That's pretty much the case. But IB's customer service isn't that bad last time I tried, there's free support via US toll free line instead of emailing back and forth with TSG.

Perhaps need more time to observe. Main reasons for choosing IB are the lower commissions and the availability of fractional shares trading.
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post Jul 26 2021, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(Hoshiyuu @ Jul 26 2021, 09:29 PM)
How much lower is the commission? I tried looking it up but I am not sure which pricing scheme do I refer to on IBKR site, got fixed and tiered pricing, plus some of them like LSE seems to have higher minimum fee than TSG somehow?
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This is IB's pricing: https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/index.php?f=1590

This is TSG's pricing: https://www.tradestation-international.com/...ng-commissions/

In general, TSG's pricing should be more expensive than IBKR, since they earn fees and commission on top of IB. If the fees are cheaper, TSG would have gone bankrupt long ago. tongue.gif TSG is introducing broker to IB, remember. IB earns as they should according to fixed/tiered pricing behind the scene, add that up with the fees/commission TSG earn, that would be the price shown on TSG's pricing page.

For small volume, IB's tiered pricing is cheaper for US exchanges, HKEX, LSE compared to TSG. You can check the minimum fees and % fee per trade value.

The only exceptional case is SGX, IB's fixed pricing is cheaper for SGX for small volumes than tiered pricing, but still comparing tiered/fixed vs TSG, the former 2 are cheaper than TSG.

So in short, IB is cheaper than TSG for fees/commission.
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post Jul 26 2021, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(merchant9 @ Jul 26 2021, 10:49 PM)
Thanks for the detailed explanation. I definitely benefitted from it. May I also ask if I should go straight for IB Pro so I get the full feature? Honestly, don't know how to use any yet.
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No problem. Always glad to help. If you delink from TSG, then you automatically go to IB Pro. If you are new customer, you are also automatically linked to IB Pro.

IBKR Lite is only available for US and India clients. For new IB users here is the video guide, by Ziet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f__HgJRe3nU
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post Aug 2 2021, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(merchant9 @ Aug 2 2021, 12:07 PM)
While waiting for my account to be opened, I like to ask about VOO vs CSPX. I am aware of the US domiciled tax but that only applies to dividend right? Not actual buying/selling the ETF? Or people buy ETF for holding long term, thus over time, dividend is and will be affected? Thoughts?

I also read that via IBKR, CSPX is more expensive than VOO. Something about the $10 per month charges but this no longer applies, correct?
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I think you mean dividend withholding tax? That applies to US domiciled funds like VOO, rate is 30%. CSPX is UCITS, domiciled in Ireland, they still pay tax behind, rate is 15%, but that is factored in behind in the annual charges, so you don't need to sign any forms like W-8BEN etc.

In both cases (VOO and CSPX), the dividend will be affected since it is taxed anyway. The only thing to compare is whether the fees/charges from investing in CSPX UCITS, after accounting for the lower WHT of 15% vs 30% of VOO, is still lower than or higher than buying VOO directly the US. If it is lower, than CSPX is a better choice, if not, then VOO works better, for the long run.

Can you share the link/source which states CSPX more expensive than VOO? I think the $10 per month is the monthly inactivity fee charges but that is abolished now. So it does not matter now. In the past few brokers allow one to access UCITS on LSE, IB is one of them, whereas US is a more developed market, so more brokers have access to them.

You can find IB's charges here: https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/index...=1590&p=stocks2

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post Aug 2 2021, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(merchant9 @ Aug 2 2021, 03:16 PM)
Wow, thanks for your prompt response, the link I refer to is here: https://www.thefrugalstudent.com/why-im-not...-domiciled-etfs

I was set on CSPX but then when I saw this article, I felt like I made the wrong choice. What's your view on this?
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Oh then yes, that monthly charges of 10 USD has been removed, so things have changed. CSPX is ok if you are fine with Blackrock. Once you can handle counterparty risk, then looks at tax matters. Investing in CSPX will not subject you to US estate taxes, but will UK charge you the same? So far I see no is the answer: https://www.gov.uk/tax-uk-income-live-abroa...e%20UK%20shares.

You might want to check elsewhere to confirm. After CP risk and tax, then fees, you need to check the returns of either funds versus the index and how large their tracking errors are? Not to forget, VOO is a distributing ETF, CSPX is an accumulating ETF, so do you want to get dividends constantly or reinvest all of them automatically with the help of the fund managers?

It really depends on your preference and risk appetite, I can't make a judgement for you. In the end it is your money you are ultimately responsible for it. smile.gif
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post Aug 2 2021, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Aug 2 2021, 03:55 PM)
oh confirm there is no estate tax for Ireland domicile ETF?
can't find any clarity on this because i doubt that Ireland-domiciled ETF still holds US stocks undeyling.

i personally did something very funny is that i have 'hidden will' that confirm my next of kin can sell on their own if i croak (touchwood)  whistling.gif
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You are serious? If not holding US stock, it can only be some form of derivatives? That would introduce substantial counterparty risk, not just on the asset-management side, but also the very underlying asset the fund is holding. If this is the case, to sleep well at night, better go for US ETFs.

"Synthetic" UCITS are not really for the faint-hearted.

Anyway, https://www.ishares.com/uk/individual/en/li...sheet-en-gb.pdf this suggests that it is really stocks ("Physical replication" in product strategy and "Physical" in product structure)

There is a synthetic ETFs that tracks S&P500: https://www.ishares.com/uk/professional/en/...-ucits-etf-fund you can see the underlying assets are swaps and it is "synthetic" in nature.

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post Aug 2 2021, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Aug 2 2021, 04:15 PM)
my bad for the shortcut -,- i meant i doubted UCITs or ireland ETF is not subjected to estate tax, because it is still holdings US stocks underlying.
however, cant find any clarity on these, only tax advisor can advise maybe.

Also for question raiser's information, one factor why I didnt opt for UCITs or ireland ETF bcoz you can hardly find an UCITs or ireland ETF which fulfill the following:
1) really domiciled in Ireland (a big number of them domiciled in luxembourg, swiss which their tax structure is kind of ambiguous to foreign investor)
2) accumulating distribution policy
3) a UCITs or ireland version to the performing ones in US which i mentioned e.g. IBUY, OGIG

so at the end i just opted for US ETF due to the hassle  sweat.gif
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I think the US estate tax on UCITS issue has been cleared some time ago. In the end you may die, but the fund still exists in perpetuity (until it is wound down, that is), there is no way IRS can track any fund investors die or not since the fund is not domiciled in the US, so IRS deal with UCITS but not its underlying investors.

https://newacademyoffinance.com/ucits-etfs-...#Estate_taxes-2
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post Jan 10 2022, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(lewei @ Jan 10 2022, 04:12 AM)
Hi, I'm New to ETF and IBKR. May I know which region of IBKR you register for ? as I can see many IBKR (US,UK,SG, AUS, etc.) and if we buy US etc we need to sign any forms like W-8BEN?

Thanks, your reply really means a lot to me. Thank you so much.
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Hello. If you start your registration newly directly with IBKR, your account is likely US-based, otherwise if you switched from TradeStation International, then your account will be UK-based. But it doesn't matter for the purpose of day-to-day matters. Your shares are held in custodian accounts either way. As long as the custodian is fine, you are fine. Bu there are differences in US and UK finance laws when things go wrong, consult a lawyer to know more.

The many IBKR websites that you see, like US, UK SG, AU etc. are just different servers across the region. You will be automatically be routed to the nearest server, usually SG/AU (for my case, HK). The account functions similarly for either servers. Account remains registered with either US or UK despite the different servers that you are routed to.

When you open an account with IB, during the registration steps, if you choose to invest in the US, you will sign the W-8BEN form by typing your name in the blank space provided, that's for dividend withholding tax purposes. All investors go through the same step.

Some members have created quality content on IBKR account opening, kindly refer to:

Gracie's blog: https://ringgitfreedom.com/investing/beginn...-from-malaysia/

Ziet's video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f__HgJRe3nU




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post Jan 10 2022, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Jan 10 2022, 10:43 AM)
no. ibkr has offices in those countries. the locals signs up under them, and their money protected under the respective country law...
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I am saying from Malaysia's perspective. I suppose he will sign up from Malaysia. Of course, if say he is from Australia or SG, then his account will be AU-based and SG-based.

IBKR don't have offices in Malaysia.

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QUOTE(lewei @ Jan 10 2022, 11:12 AM)
Thank you for the kind reply and settle my doubt. Thank you so much. appreciate it. then I shall go to the US based. I think the Ireland-Domiciled ETFs is available in the us-based IBKR am I right ?
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Yes, UCITS as they are called are available on IBKR. They are listed on multiple exchanges across Europe, most are in UK, some in Germany, Switzerland. Some are even found listed in Mexico. Check the fund providers website to know more. 2 well-known ones are Vanguard and Blackrock.

QUOTE(sgh @ Jan 10 2022, 11:12 AM)
Sorry for interrupting so from Msian perspective investing with IBKR entail some sort of risk which I think other Msian posters have posted before correct? With recent samtradefx hoo-ha (not the first but neither the last) in Spore it make investors more cautious what they go into. Understand IBKR is big almost unable to fail but we all know history like Lehman Brothers, Arthur Andersen (used to be one of the big five accounting firm)  go missing etc

I hope Msian investors don't put all their eggs into one basket.
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Counterparty risk exists whenever financial intermediaries come into play. Brokers, banks, forex, derivatives counterparts, swaps counterparts and even insurance companies all entail some form of counterparty risk. You can and should diversify, large fund houses typically have a few brokers. But managing accounts across brokers can be a hassle for many if you have small holdings. So one needs to balance between the marginal cost of managing multiple brokerage accounts and the marginal benefit of the extra security earned. One way of risk management is to verify your broker's finances. It's kind of a dilemma sometimes, you don't want your broker to earn a lot from you, yet earn too little you risk your broker failing. (That's why bankers are rich!)

QUOTE(dwRK @ Jan 10 2022, 11:24 AM)
you saying those ibkr .uk .hk .sg are servers... I'm just correcting you
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Yes sir, thanks for correcting. biggrin.gif
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post Feb 21 2022, 02:05 PM

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The paper is available here, for those who are interested: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jofi.12727

Just in case there is a paywall (I can access it from my uni's linked-research portal), here is a downloaded copy: Attached File  The_Journal_of_Finance___2018___BEN___DAVID___Do_ETFs_Increase_Volatility.pdf ( 465.73k ) Number of downloads: 18


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post Feb 26 2022, 06:31 PM

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Pitfalls in "high dividend-yield stock ETFs" by 天下杂志 (12-01-2022)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/17tiQf8jk-i...iew?usp=sharing

Applies to Taiwan but the philosophy can be ported to anywhere else.

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post Apr 8 2022, 06:34 PM

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ETNs Look Safe. Investors Could Get Bitten.

Exchange-traded notes sound harmless, but most everyday investors need to beware

https://www.wsj.com/articles/etns-look-safe...share_permalink

Not all 3-lettered words begin with an "E" and ends with an "F". When it ends with an "N", you want to be more careful.

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post May 1 2022, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(RigerZ @ May 1 2022, 09:58 PM)
Referring to the gomen's plan to impose tax on all foreign income (which would include ETF capital gains), although the tax is now exempted until 2026, will we see less people wanting to invest in such overseas vehicles as a result?

Sos: https://www.aseanbriefing.com/news/malaysia...sourced-income/
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Definitely not. The power of diversification and the lure of the dollar simply means there will be fierce opposition to the imposition of such FSI taxation scheme in 2026.

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post Jun 29 2022, 02:35 PM

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This is interesting.

ETF Hub: Exchange traded funds

Nocturnal enigma targeted by ETF launches
Funds hope to exploit mystery of stock markets performing best in after-hours trading

by Steve Johnson (2 HOURS AGO)

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post Jul 5 2022, 12:58 PM

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ETF Hub: Passive Investing

Fidelity to open direct indexing to the masses
Once limited to wealthy investors, the offering requires users to invest just $1 in each stock

by Brian Ponte, Ignites (53 MINUTES AGO)

This article was previously published by Ignites, a title owned by the FT Group.

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post Aug 11 2022, 05:43 PM

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ETF Hub: Passive Investing

Active funds can beat passive if fees are low enough, study shows
Retail investors miss out on outperformance enjoyed by institutional investors due to higher costs

by Ed Moisson, Ignites Europe (6 HOURS AGO)

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Unfortunately, my uni does not have access to the paper: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080...rnalCode=ufaj20

Will upload the PDF/link to PDF here when I can obtain the full paper.
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post Aug 18 2022, 05:12 PM

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ETF Hub: ESG investing

ESG labelling provides limited insights for investors, study says
Funds that score highly on some UN Sustainable Development Goals often score low on others

by Emma Boyde (5 HOURS AGO)

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post Aug 25 2022, 02:34 PM

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We have heard a lot on passive investing and ESG. Here're some words from the advocates of active investing and ESG.

Opinion: Personal Finance Advice & Comment

Why sustainable investors may rue going passive
Any fund manager not assessing a company’s ESG credentials is flying blind

by Rory Bateman (2 HOURS AGO)

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ETF Hub: Passive Investing

Asset managers pay vastly unequal fees for using indices
Study highlights opacity of pricing models used by providers such as MSCI and S&P Global

by Chris Flood (6 HOURS AGO)

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Source:

1. https://www.ft.com/content/7e6cf39f-d428-48...9a-67bda13966c8
2. https://substantiveresearch.com/press-archi...nconsistencies/

Note:

You may check the FCA "unnecessarily complex licensing arrangements" investigation results here when it is released: https://www.fca.org.uk/publications/search-results

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