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Ramjade
post Jul 4 2020, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(bengang14 @ Jul 4 2020, 11:12 AM)
Hi, i am new to this.

have anyone used FSM(sg) for ETFs ? what are the procedures? thanks a lot
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Avoid FSM for US stocks.
Use interactive broker (if you have >=USD100k in cash or stocks). If you don't have USD100k, use whitelabels of interactive broker (tradestation global).
Alternative use trading212.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Jul 4 2020, 12:52 PM
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post Jul 4 2020, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(bengang14 @ Jul 4 2020, 01:30 PM)
any reason not to use FSM? high charges?

thought of using it because i already have funds inside there .
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High commission, exchange rate not so good, dividend fees,
They are good for sg stocks and hk stocks only.

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post Jul 7 2020, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(arasu5531 @ Jul 7 2020, 11:42 AM)
I'm very new in US trading. So in conclusion which is the best trading broker for US stocks and why? Please enlighten tq
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Depends on what you want.
I use interactive broker white labels (Tradestation global)
It's interface is complicated but it gives me access to majority of the world's market which I need.

One alternative is trading212. Only issue you need to think is how to put in money and withdraw money. If you banks you going to get charged a lot.
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post Jul 7 2020, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(arasu5531 @ Jul 7 2020, 01:55 PM)
I'm looking for us stocks only. I prefer a broker which has no deposit or withdrawal issues, should be cakewalk. And yeah with low fees of course.
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The fe s is by Malaysian bank sides. Cannot avoid regardless if you use IB or trading212.

For IB can be bypass by using sg bank account.
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post Jul 30 2020, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(pigscanfly @ Jul 29 2020, 11:24 PM)
I noticed that trading212 has zero commission fees and zero inactivity fees. This sounds good to me, as my trading frequency is < 1x per month. I wouldn't want to get charged with inactivity fees.

Do you think funding the trading account using Transferwise borderless account works?

Edit: I just checked, Transferwise borderless account not offered to Malaysians cry.gif
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Can. Before this they block. Then then unblock it (TransferWise).

My borderless account was opened before the blocking started.
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post Jul 31 2020, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(pigscanfly @ Jul 31 2020, 12:01 AM)
Lucky you. You managed to open a borderless account before they blocked it. Currently, I am not successful in opening a borderless account. I get this message "This feature isn't available in your location yet".

I can't think of anyway to get a borderless account. I have considered putting my location as Singapore, but it won't work, because address verification will be required.
You can try funding your trading account using credit/debit card. Try BigPay, which charges 0% conversion fees. If you have a Transferwise debit card, that works great too.
However, withdrawal can be a headache.

From trading212 FAQ:
If you deposited funds using BigPay, and when withdrawing funds (trading212 will refund into BigPay debit card), money will automatically be converted back to MYR!! BigPay isn't a multi-currency account and cannot hold foreign currencies. It's a debit card denominated in MYR currency. And withdrawing money from BigPay is very costly and restrictive! ranting.gif

If you deposited money using Transferwise debit card (not available to Malaysians), money will be refunded into your Transferwise borderless account. Because Transferwise debit card is a multi-currency account, your money will be refunded in the same foreign currency (limited to USD, GBP, EUR, SGD and a few others)
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Email and asked if you can open a borderless account.
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post Sep 2 2020, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(theanine @ Sep 2 2020, 08:06 PM)
Hey guys. I am planning to invest more than 1 million in ETF (50% bond ETF and 50% stocks) in the future.

The ETF I would like the replicate Vanguard Lifestratrgy mutual fund with 50% equities and 50% bonds to get an average of 5-6% return with low volatility.

Is it Ok to use bank like CIMB, UOB, HongLeong, OCBC broker to buy ETF? I feel safer and its easier to convince my parents to invest with a bank broker than IB or Trading212. 

I know bank is notorious for its high commission so i am wondering which bank broker should i go for to make low-cost indexing work?
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Avoid banks at all cost.
If scared to use banks, can consider using stashaway or endowus.

You can use stashaway Malaysia or endowus singapore.
Show them this page from IB. Let them read all the tabs on that page.
IB have office in sinagpore.
If scared to use IB, can consider using TD SG.
https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/index.php?f=2334
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post Sep 2 2020, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(AnasM @ Sep 2 2020, 08:42 PM)
u can use HSBC bank transfer as it charge lower fee and its safe compare to other moneymatch etc
dont go for stashaway as it will eat up more comisen which mean ur earning will be less
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Have you used them? In what way are they not safe? I want to know as I am a user and they already save me close a thousand vs using banks since I have been using them
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post Sep 2 2020, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(theanine @ Sep 2 2020, 09:18 PM)
Thanks for the suggestions!

I heard about Stashaway but I think it is good for small amount. But for big amount, I would rather use a reputable broker or bank. I dislike Stashaway 1% commission and its a robo-advisor so its a relatively new thing to put a big amount into it.

I will think about TD though, looks like a solid choice.

Also, i believe TD charge 30% dividend right? How would it affect the return? Or is there a plan to reinvest the dividend so i don't get taxed.
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Stashaway custodian is Saxo bank.
Endowus custodian is UOB Kay Hian.

So up to you to believe if they are safe or not.

IB and TD are more or less the same. For me, I lean more towards IB cause IB is better than TD in every way except for the looks.

You cannot run away from 30% dividend tax unless you are no longer malaysian citizen. Whichever broker you choose you still get hit with the 30% dividend tax.
That's why majority of people don't invest in US for dividends. Can be done but not many people doing it. People go for capital appreciation cause no tax.
Even if reinvest, you will get slapped with 30% tax before you get to auto reinvest.

Three ways around it
1. Throw away your IC and become a citizen of another country with tax treaty with US and get taxed only 15%.
2. Buy ireland domiciled ETF/unit trust (you can DIY by buying off London Stock exchange, TD does not support LSE but IB does) or use Endowus to do it for you.
3. Don't bother about dividends in US and focus on capital appreciation.

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QUOTE(pigscanfly @ Sep 3 2020, 12:14 AM)
Hi. Can anyone please advise on which stock exchange I should buy ETF? I am planning to invest in Vanguard FTSE All-World. It's listed on LSE and XETRA.

VWRA on LSE (USD), average daily volume 18,770, bid-ask spread 19.7 bps
VWCE on XETRA (Euro), average daily volume 21,200 bid-ask spread 10.4 bps

Both have almost similar average daily volumes, but the bid-ask spread of VWCE is much narrower compared to VWRA. My broker is TS Global. What are your thoughts? Is VWCE a better choice?
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Depend on
1. Do you want to hold USD or EUR?
2. How big is your buying size? Usually small buying size no problem. Just set a price you like and put a GTC to it.
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post Sep 3 2020, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(pigscanfly @ Sep 3 2020, 11:08 PM)
Thank you for your replies.
Does the currency even matter? Any advantages to hold USD over EUR or GBP? As a Malaysian investor, none of these are my secondary currencies, and I have no preference. The Vanguard FTSE All-World ETF holds a basket of securities (over 3000) across 50 markets in various currencies.

To quote from a bogleheads webpage:

I guess the currency doesn't really matter...? I plan to invest RM30k lump sum.
Can you please clarify what you mean convert currency twice? I thought I can use instarem to convert MYR to USD/ EUR/ GBP directly into IBKR accounts?
I agree the average volumes for the distributing classes are much higher. Both VWRD (USD) and VWRL (GBP) listed on LSE have average daily volumes of 49k each.

PS: My other concern is that Vanguard will delist their ETFs from stock exchanges. Vanguard is apparently pulling out of Hong Kong and Japan markets. If there are very low trading volumes, companies will delist their products from stock exchanges. This recently happened to DWS ETFs (Deutsche bank) from Singapore Stock Exchange, where daily trading volumes for their ETFs were very very low.
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Yes it matter cause not all currency are the same.
Look at USD. It have weaken significantly while GBP have been increasing.

IB doesn't support deposit of USD from 3rd party even with proof. So if are paying USD, you need to deposit in say EUR.

Don't worry. Vanguard won't pull out from London. Other place maybe. But not London. Cause London etf have 15% tax advantage Vs HK, Japan, SG where they are at max 30%
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QUOTE(pigscanfly @ Sep 4 2020, 11:04 PM)
Oh thanks for the info. Didn't know that IBKR doesn't accept USD deposits from 3rd parties. Looks like it's down to either EUR or GBP.
Thank you Yggdrasil for the very detailed explanation. Your post basically illustrates the effects of currency movements on investment value. It's like macroeconomics 101. Your illustration assumes that USD/MYR exchange rate remains constant, but in the real world scenario, exchange rates constantly fluctuate. I actually plan to DCA into this ETF every 6 months, so hopefully I will average-out the exchange rate fluctuations.

But as you have mentioned in your second post, no one can predict the future, and that we should not obsess with liquidity or currency issues. I am not here to debate/speculate on currency movements. I am here for low-cost diversified investing. I agree that choosing the right (low-cost) index is more important. A lousy index gives lousy returns, and a hyped-up index may just be another bubble waiting to burst.
Global All Cap Index? Meaning the index covers developed + emerging markets across large, medium, and small-cap sectors? It's gonna be expensive to track so many stocks across the globe. Most ETFs will "optimally replicate" the index to reduce operational fees. Even the Vanguard FTSE All-World doesn't fully replicate the index. And the weightage allocated to small-cap stocks are so small, their contributions (or lack-of) are insignificant to the overall index.
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Noted that ETF investing only works if it's going up. But if US became like Japan where the index are flat for 10 years+, you going to have big trouble.
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post Sep 19 2020, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(dudewhatisthis @ Sep 19 2020, 08:27 PM)
Noob here, with what platform are you guys using to be able to trade US options?
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Your answer can be found in this thread.
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post Oct 3 2020, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(JJkian @ Oct 3 2020, 10:32 PM)
Has anyone use sunway money for foreign remittance? How does it compare to instarem in terms of fees?
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Yes. It's way cheaper than instarem. Don't look at rates. Look at how much you get for every say RM10k. The company which can give you the most foreign currency for the same amount of RM should get your business.
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post Oct 6 2020, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(thecurious @ Oct 5 2020, 11:53 PM)
Is direct holding an etf still worth it? now with robo advisors offering etfs in their portfolios.
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Of course. Robo charges 0.7-1.0%
You yourself can buy for say 0.1% which is very significant.

Robo is only useful for those who
1) don't know what to buy
2) don't want to to think

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post Oct 7 2020, 01:20 AM

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QUOTE(rocketm @ Oct 7 2020, 12:46 AM)
Thanks for your reply.

I do notice that the withholding tax for dividend received.

The dividend based ETF is just my plan to add in to my portfolio since Wahed is more on growth.
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Forget about using wahed. Go buy Ark innovative etf and cxse. You have all the growth you want.

Cheaper than wahed.
Higher returns than wahed.

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QUOTE(rocketm @ Oct 7 2020, 10:16 AM)
Thanks for your suggestion. I guess you are aiming for growth.

Does my thought is correct? For dividend type, the dividend will be cut based on economic situation and management discretion, capital appreciation might be little. For growth type, capital appreciation is based on company performance and the perception from the market force but dividend is lower.

I have looked at Ark types ETF, all of them goes higher and higher due to momentum and slightly cheaper.

But if bubble dot.com appear again, most probably Ark etf will drop a lot.

Can I confirm with you that ARKK is consist of all the Ark etfs (ARKQ, ARKW, ARKF and ARKG)?

Exchange MYR to USD to invest in ARKK, will the exchange rate added to ARKK is still cheaper and worth?
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Etf end of the day is about selling. Is not for dividends.

Not all companies cut dividends. Majority or my portfolio , did not cut dividend but in fact increase it. I don't do ETF with exception of maybe CXSE cause no money to buy 1 lot of tencent.

Drop, I buy some more.

No Ark is the company, They have a few ETFs. You can pick which one you like.

Wahed also keep converting money everytime you buy. Whether you make or lose money is usually known when you are finally ready to exit your investment. Converting money must also be smart. Use banks and your expense is more.

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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Oct 18 2020, 04:07 PM)
My bad, looked wrongly sweat.gif sweat.gif

$1.5 / per US order

Also found this website that compares broker - not bad. Between TD Ameritrade and TradeStation Global both seems to be strong contender. There's also IBKR but the inactivity/minimum commissions are really oof

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You can consider trading212 but I only know how to fund it. I have no idea how to withdraw it without incurring huge bank fees.
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post Oct 18 2020, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(roarus @ Oct 18 2020, 11:21 PM)
Friendly warning: Do not put all your equity allocation into ARKx funds - they're highly volatile and subject to bigger drawdowns than S&P 500 index

I personally hold ARKK half for shits and giggles, to see if Tesla really can hit 7000 mark + whether the Organavo's 3D printed organs will be available in my lifetime
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Those who cannot tahan the roller coaster better don't buy. Those who can, will be rewarded handsomely.
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post Nov 12 2020, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(tonytyk @ Nov 12 2020, 07:50 PM)
Which platform you use to purchase the ETF?
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Depend on which brokerage you open with.
Cheapest is Trading212 as you can buy fractional shares and zero commission. Only con is when you withdraw you pay huge commission to Malaysian banks in terms of exchange rate, fees.
Alternatively use Interactive Broker (IBKR). I use whitelabels of IBKR as I don't have USD100k cash or stock with them.

If you like someone to do the buying for you (which I am totally against), go get yourself a stashaway account. I only use stashaway for parking my money (stashaway sg simple)

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