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SUSMNet
post Apr 26 2015, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Apr 25 2015, 11:25 PM)
i haven't even opened the acc!
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why so slow bro?

should open it earlier
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post Apr 26 2015, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Apr 21 2015, 01:00 AM)
Npt yet, busy day. I should have time to do it today smile.gif
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We're still waiting...
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post Apr 26 2015, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(ferox @ Apr 26 2015, 06:19 PM)
We're still waiting...
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Will do it soon ... got sidetracked making another spdreadsheet for keeping track of my own portfolio, never realised there were so mantly google finance features built into Sheets biggrin.gif
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post Apr 26 2015, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Apr 26 2015, 12:05 PM)
why so slow bro?

should open it earlier
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next week! biggrin.gif
TSrjb123
post Apr 27 2015, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(ferox @ Apr 26 2015, 06:19 PM)
We're still waiting...
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/142S...dit?usp=sharing

Hopefully that's correct, need to double check through the formulas.

There seems to be some issues with the GOOGLEFINANCE features, sometimes a few of them don't load up but work after refresh.


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post Apr 27 2015, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Apr 27 2015, 11:27 AM)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/142S...dit?usp=sharing

Hopefully that's correct, need to double check through the formulas.

There seems to be some issues with the GOOGLEFINANCE features, sometimes a few of them don't load up but work after refresh.
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Formula looks okay except:
1. Withholding tax for VUSD is 15% not 0% I believe.
2. IB's cost for US denominated stocks on LSE is 0.05% trade value / min. order $5 ($10,000 value). So it should be Qty (-5) & Cost (+5) in the formulas.
3. For those who have not build up to $100k, the trading cost on this platform is exactly $10 every month.
4. For DRIPS, can it reinvest less than 1 stock? My take is that if you're consistently adding to the fund, dividends collected will simply be rolled into the next BUY event anyway.

I re-did the calculations using criteria (1) & (3) above, my results are:
ROI VUSD 9.68% vs VOO 8.83% (0.85% difference)
VUSD $342.71 extra

This post has been edited by ferox: Apr 27 2015, 02:27 PM
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post Apr 27 2015, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(ferox @ Apr 27 2015, 02:14 PM)
Formula looks okay except:
1. Withholding tax for VUSD is 15% not 0% I believe.
2. IB's cost for US denominated stocks on LSE is 0.05% trade value / min. order $5 ($10,000 value). So it should be Qty (-5) & cost (+5) in the formulas.
3. For those who have not build up to $100k, the trading cost on this platform is exactly $10 every month.

I re-did the calculations using criteria (1) & (3) above, my results are:
VUSD 9.68% vs VOO 8.83% (0.85% difference)
VUSD $342.71 extra
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1. VUSD Witholding taxes are already settled in the ETF, not deducted after payout. So there's no extra 15% to be deducted
2. You're right, I was going with £6 / trade which I put at $9, so it's actually $4 / less per trade.
3. I didn't include the platform fee
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post Apr 27 2015, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Apr 27 2015, 02:20 PM)
1. VUSD Witholding taxes are already settled in the ETF, not deducted after payout. So there's no extra 15% to be deducted
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A quick recalculation:
ROI VUSD 9.74% vs VOO 8.83% (0.91% difference)
VUSD $363.64 extra

So.. IB buying LSE stocks it is? brows.gif
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post Apr 27 2015, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(ferox @ Apr 27 2015, 02:33 PM)
A quick recalculation:
ROI VUSD 9.74% vs VOO 8.83% (0.91% difference)
VUSD $363.64 extra

So.. IB buying LSE stocks it is?  brows.gif
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For buy and hold they're a better option - of course if amounts are smaller the trading costs become more of a factor.

For active trading not so much - less liquid and higher spreads!

I mostly buy and hold, hardly actively trade at all.
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post Apr 27 2015, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Apr 27 2015, 02:20 PM)
1. VUSD Witholding taxes are already settled in the ETF, not deducted after payout. So there's no extra 15% to be deducted
2. You're right, I was going with £6 / trade which I put at $9, so it's actually $4 / less per trade.
3. I didn't include the platform fee
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What about withholding tax on dividends?


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post Apr 27 2015, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Apr 27 2015, 03:05 PM)
You are correct about this, but dividends will still be taxed.
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Taxed at 15% rather than 30%, the reported dividends already account for the 15% deduction as far as I'm aware.

Double checked last VUSD payout

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CASH Dividend 0.16905300 USD per Share (Ordinary Dividend)


No additional WT, the 15% is already withheld in the ETF - same as if you were holding feeder fund through FSM as example

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post Apr 27 2015, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Apr 27 2015, 03:06 PM)
Taxed at 15% rather than 30%, the reported dividends already account for the 15% deduction as far as I'm aware.

I'll double check next time VUSD pays out smile.gif
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Ok so you buy the VUSD on the LSE.. so you only get charged 15%.. cool yea let us know smile.gif

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Apr 27 2015, 03:27 PM)
Ok so you buy the VUSD on the LSE.. so you only get charged 15%.. cool yea let us know smile.gif
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Yup, edited previous post already and confirmed with last dividend payout in March thumbup.gif
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Hi everyone,

What are your thoughts on CIMB FTSE ASEAN 40?
SUSMNet
post May 2 2015, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(sonicbull @ May 1 2015, 11:45 AM)
Hi everyone,

What are your thoughts on CIMB FTSE ASEAN 40?
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They dont have vast experience on this..
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post May 2 2015, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Apr 25 2015, 10:44 PM)
Good time to change ... I need to change in the other direction soon - should have done it earlier  doh.gif
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bloomberg now showing usd/rm 3.6132.
last week 3.55-3.56 wud be nice!
i m late too! laugh.gif

QUOTE(MNet @ Apr 26 2015, 12:05 PM)
why so slow bro?
should open it earlier
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almost there. smile.gif
TSrjb123
post May 2 2015, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ May 2 2015, 06:33 PM)
bloomberg now showing usd/rm 3.6132.
last week 3.55-3.56 wud be nice!
i m late too! laugh.gif
almost there. smile.gif
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As of Friday Maybank are only giving 3.5100 shocking.gif but I've got bills to pay unfortunately doh.gif
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post May 2 2015, 09:39 PM

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maybank sell 3.61....


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post May 2 2015, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ May 2 2015, 09:39 PM)
maybank sell 3.61....
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3.615... But I'm talking about USD to MYR, other way around.
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post May 2 2015, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ May 2 2015, 09:44 PM)
3.615...  But I'm talking about USD to MYR, other way around.
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what u got, 3.51 usd->myr, is about right on fri.

maybe mbb spread a little worse but when i checked cimb on thu, i was told 3.53.

3.6132 myr->usd is probably a derived rate at this time since rm is not traded during the holidays.
http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/currencies/asia-pacific/

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