imagine utopia soph... then give thx to the LORD for the imagination... then speak your imagination so it will become reality... look at indonesia president jokowi / jakarta governor ahok... it's utopia... GOD does answer prayer.

you can't

they exist as part of church growth. soon or later somebody will replace my teaching / UW teachings with better teachings... or, we adopt the new teachings and our color changes

earlier we build low-rise building.



then after apartment completes, we enjoy our increase / blessing.

but that's not enough.... GOD's want to build higher building... so what to do ? old apartment must be demolished, ground re-engingeered for higher rise building... then new construction come... the tower crane come...

imagine tower crane below...



of course "narrow minded civilian" will complain why invest in cranes... we want to build high rise building like below....



and teachers / does have excuse .... GOD's plan sometimes it's not according to our plan...

-------------- before 2015 ------------

the low rise building are... traditional churches
the new rise building are .... pentecostal churches

the crane... it's the teaching / tool to help build

------------ after 2015 and beyond ------

now i see things coming...

the low rise building are... pentecostal churches
the new rise building are .... traditional churches that speaking in tongue... / pentecostal churches that become almost similar to traditional ones

---- your question about fake teachers ---
they exist cuz growth is multiple steps processes. at GOD's appointed time, the teachings will diminished. The crane has to be removed. But at another place, another crane with different technical specs exist to cater... advanced construction

imagine how GOD's work

a branch of christian.

same like Sunni / Shia also branch of moslem.

some ppl they don't bother abt technical details. you are very technical lahhh... from technical perspective i sure wrong.

if your standard is so high, then ok lah i follow.

For me it's good that somebody else (not me) that say like that.

it's an allegory.

new technology always improves from older one.

The allegory is: Pentecostal is new technology. Traditional churches is traditional.

-- new rise building ? --

new rise building requires more advanced technology compared to single story building for example. Just lay-man example ok ....

huh... it's you that say very high...

my job is not to quality Jesus standard, like what you did... my JOB is to share GOD's love.

put that high-standard-thing away, it's only makes your life difficult right ? i am not surprised

i think the better way to say, if there is no temptation, then nobody will have sex before marriage right...

the issue is clear, we can't run from temptation... that's the fact

how long can you run... if in colleague all girls are wearing short pants and tight shirts ? run to jungle ?

tell ur girlfren to cast throw away that thinking far far far away... the reason is simple... you are not getting closer to Christ by entertaining that thinking right ? only fear...fear.. .and fear...

I agree with ur reply. But allow me to add / enrich.

I believe it's devil that sow the seed of fear to church leader. Fear our follower will living a self centered life at the cost of GOD's grace.

GOD is not stupid ... HE always in control ...

i can't explain technically how HE will protect his people but our GOD can... don't worry.

Teach your congregation about GOD's grace, let them life to the full, let GOD worry how to handle those ppl; ppl that try to manipulate GOD's grace.

bible is bible... but what happen today is what happen today...

isn't it obvious that whatever 1 Cor 10:13 say, our congregation still fall into sexual sin ?

If you wrote 1 Cor 10:13 to somebody who just have sex last night with his GF ? are you trying to crucify the BF ?

I do have solutions, but let's agree with this fact first

Relax ok... blabbering like that does not help everybody and we do not need teachers here... We need GOD's grace through JESUS christ. Get the point ?

that writings makes HS so happy. Good job.

cuz they are different. so much different.

anytime babeh... we ignore your past, but we have pre marital course that you n your spouse must attend so as a pastor i can put blessing on you.

I cannot give blessing to alien, who simply come to our church and ask married me in 5 seconds or else we leave... hahaha...

for me depends on many things.

yes exactly...

Bill wilson from metro world child bribes authority in african country, to save the child (baby) so the child can have proper medical treatment in US soil.

so for me, i use GOD's grace to do 2 things:
1. invest in people live
2. win soul for Christ.

And i don't care about moral law (unless a police threathen me to jail that's different story lahh... ) as long as i have GOD's grace, i will 2 things above.

This post has been edited by de1929: Jan 15 2015, 12:15 PM

talk to bill wilson yourself lah UW.

The term of investment is decided by CHRIST.
Maturity date also decided by CHRIST.

We invest in people so people can be better than before. e.g. in education, in emotional need, or financially help somebody pay tuition fees, many ways. The simplest thing to invest in people, just genuinely help him.

unfortunately, complain does not solve your problem right ? poor mentality person. when is the last time you help people ?

@all thanks for giving me space for me to share GOD's love
yes... my english if far from perfect... but it does not mean i will stop, unless GOD's grace on me stop.

@leonhart88... yeah, i was doing stupid things in my young age hehe... talking "rich kid" i born from "standard" family. not rich / not poor. But again like uw say: work in 0&g (oil and gas) does makes me living far above regular income...

@tina... yeah... you know me lahh...

@luffy... i will keep persistence lahh.... same like raising your kid, (yeah i got wan)... tell 1 time never enough... repetition / endurance blanketed with love (with / without perfect english) will do and sure work... oh forget... GOD's grace

it's true. But again, there is portion that we have to do, and portion that we have to trust GOD to use somebody else.

I don't know how is your prayer life. For me the rule to response / reply is simple: Ask HS (Holy Spirit). Up to this point, i don't think all christian comfortable listening from GOD for various reason.

I understand UW... and i know i am not so welcome in this forum.

But again, Christ oso not so welcome in this world right ? it's fine... enjoy sahaja... just enjoy...

The idea is i just share GOD's love, with / without perfect english

Who is comfortable with price rise in malaysia ? nobody right ? but goverment just do what he has to do... i also do what i have to do... do my part, do my portion, and i will receive my reward in this world or in heaven.