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It's a nice of you. I understand ur motive

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OOT: Pehkay, why i think jacob always look like this

i mean look how mischief he is, he does not use physical force, he use brain. and guess what, his brother Thor exactly like... Esau... strong, but naturally not smart.

so if people like thor, and hates loki... do you think subconsiously people will like esau, and hate jacob ? instead of following bible: Esau i hate and Jacob i love ?

or only me being overzealous hahaha...

There are 2 thinking for your scenarios:

1. Maybe they are brainwashing you ... if yes:
But GOD uses them to teach you about how to respect / appreciate other culture called: "old school christianity".

If you read bible 1 cor 9 below, only the title called: Paul’s Use of His Freedom, what is "his freedom meaning" ? It means: Paul's wearing masks. Paul is pretending for reasons.
http://biblehub.com/niv/1_corinthians/9.htm

2. --Comment about They pretend to like you--
actually they are learning to accept you. This is a process, i mean i know old school-er way of thinking and if they wanted to accept you, at least CG elder, CG elder also briefed them to learn to accept you. It takes time and the process looks ugly and weird. But it is good. Just enjoy the process

Thanks Shabir , you have highlighted that bible is a translation, which is true and translation leads to multiple assumptions.

Actually bible scholar Robert Young Author of the "Analytical Concordance to the Bible" already write like this:

If a translation gives a "present tense" when the original gives a "past", or a "past" when it has a
"present"; a "perfect" for a "future", or a "future" for a "perfect"; an "a" for a "the", or a "the" for an
"a"; an "imperative" for a "subjunctive", or a "subjunctive" for an "imperative"; a "verb" for a
"noun", or a "noun" for a "verb", it is clear that verbal inspiration is as much overlooked as if it had
no existence. THE WORD OF GOD IS MADE VOID BY THE TRADITIONS OF MEN.

That's why Jesus didn't do JIV (Jesus international version), instead NIV (New international version) is one of the available bible in the market. Why ? cuz language is human's inventions, and as human is not perfect, so language (be it arabic, english, or greek or hebew) also... not perfect ... nothing special. we all know about it.

That's why we need Holy Spirit (HS) to inspire how to read the bible, and use faith to believe in Christ.

during writings: HS inspired the writer
during reading: HS inspired the reader

What shabir lacking ? HE does not ask Holy Spirit to get inspiration


Now my question: When you read quran, how you interpret the arabic words ? how can you sure you interpret corectly as of year 603 culture and words usage ?
how can you sure that your mind is not betraying you ?
how can you sure that your mind is telling you the truth ?

I think if you becoming a CG leader, you can bring changes the church, e.g. church near tesco cheras. But you must earn their trust, so they can give you more responsibility.

almost forgot

John Avanzini
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Avanzini

will minister in city harvest KL, 22 - 23 November 2014
http://www.chc.org.my/

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Because koran wins, or because Christ is glorified ?

Do you know that i can pray to Jesus that you insult atheism ?

Do you know that Christ died for atheist and yet you fool them publicly here ? in christian forum ?

Who cares what you think ? it's called faith. The idea is simple... faith. Don't depend on your brain. it's limited.

put it this way... what is tomorrow amazon.com has a new book with a new revelation, new knowledge ? Who has been in the future ? GOD or human ?

Only Jesus i know say i am alpha and omega, and i choose to trust in HIM ... not by empirical measurements for sure.

GOD (whatever religion) is infinite... human brain in finite. sure there are knowleges that human does not know... therefore... humble lahh... repent and receive Jesus as savior.

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Adam Smith

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Smith

I just surprised to know that Adam Smith, father of modern economics, has historical background to become a priest / GOD minister.
There are reviewer saying that Adam Smith writings, was inspired by biblical value. Praise the LORD !

http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/20.../21/3695467.htm

There are few thinking / approaches / mindset that i can share with you:
1. The speaking in tongues better leave it to your church doctrine. Different church different doctrines. It's not a question of right or wrong. on this point no 1, i would like to stress out the importance of your CG, as your CG is your... local family in malaysia.
2. Taman bullion church is AOG (assembly of GOD) denomination. AOG will indoctrinate that speaking of tongue is impotant. Yes, I agree with AOG point of view
3. You are only 1 month as christian right ? so enjoy the CG that's what i think best.
4. Christian faith and knowledge grows as you get closer to GOD. Later on, at HIS appointed time you will thirsty to speak in tongue. Later... at HIS appointed time.
5. I am not Cessationism, i believe "speaking in tongues" and "prophesying" still available up to today, until Jesus come.
5. Cessationism (you can google Cessationism) believes "speaking in tongues" and "prophesying" stops already. it's not accurate to write only happen in old testaments, it happen only up to paul (apostle paul) still alives, which is around 70AD.
6. Check your church doctrines, is that charismatics, protestant, wesleyan, methodist, or what ? again for 1 month christian, just swallow whatever doctrines, later on me or UW can fix you hahaha...
7. AOG denomination is naturally charismatics.

Deep and yet funny

taman bullion church is AOG church, hillsong oso AOG church fyi.... AOG is the largest pentecostal in United States; meaning they can influence someone with political powers.

What i try to say: if somebody persecute AOG church in malaysia, US embassy will be alerted and you know where the rest of the story can goes...

No lah, of course not. Nobody bigger then The LORD himself

AOG is not a single church like benny hinn ministry... It's a denomination. It has at least 1000 churches big and small. Their networking is solid, facility, support and many things are matured. It's like a huge corporation. It's big and perhaps not as flexible as small non denominational churches.

Republican are mostly... Christian. I don't say republican mostly AOG, but mostly Christian.

Sarah Palin gives influence. I didn't say bad / good influence. Only influence.

you can google sarah palin assembly of god

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have you ever heard 7 cultural mountains ? the website is below. If AOG can influence government, it should be credited as grace of GOD, not as a cult.

http://www.7culturalmountains.org/

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My opinion ... yes a lesser christian...

My reason: A sin is defined as missing the mark (hamartia). It's more than lie or not, kill or not, idol or not.
http://biblehub.com/greek/266.htm
You will miss the mark if you are not empowered to walk in spirit on daily basis. How many marks ? depends on your relationship with HS. What is your homework from HS ?

are your parent okay ? how to restore their relationships ? impossible ? nothing is impossible for those that trust in Christ.
to trust in Christ requires faith. The bigger the problem, you need bigger faith.
when the problem break the boundary of possible, you are in the realm of impossible. our Christ is GOD for both possible and impossible.
impossible belong to supernatural realm, where your inner man, spirit man / woman play bigger roles.
the bigger the impossible things are, the higher the requirements for Glossolalia ("speaking in tongues").

so back to you again, what is your homework from HS ? how many impossible homework you have from HS ?

-- i Just want to understand the Word of GOD --
If you just doing like this, you may ended up like Shabir Ally. A few days ago rolemodelboyz put youtube about Shabir Ally. Shabir Ally study about christian literature and use bible to tell that Jesus is not GOD. Crazy ? happen already.

take a look at these two verses:
Deuteronomy 5:16 - “‘Honor your father and your mother, as the Lord your God commanded you, that your days may be long, and that it may go well with you in the land that the Lord your God is giving you"
Matthew 10:37 - "Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

why so conflicting and confusing ? should i respect my parents, or listen to GOD ? what is conflict of interest happen ? confused ?
this is one of many bible verses (which i assume you will study later on) that has potential to bring doubt to your faith. Why so inconsistent ? that's why Shabir Ally use quran, to bring peace to somebody that just want to understand the Word of God, thats all

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That's why, ask HS, and if HS leads you to speak in tongue, just obey. It's better to obey HS, and we called it pick up your cross

This material got problem already; here is the part:
Therefore, Bible-believing Christians should support issues/candidates that are pro-life and should support issues/candidates that oppose gay marriage and uphold the biblical/traditional understanding of marriage


Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;

Bible believing Christians, should ask HS which candidate / issue to support. During next 5 years, candidate can change course and who knows the future ? only Christ. Therefore just ask HS, because HS knows what's gonna happen next 5 years.

if HS told Mr A to support pro life and
to Mr. B not to support pro life,
it may happen because who can fathom the depth of GOD's brain ? the width of GOD's tought ? who can see the future ?

Trust in GOD and do not lean on your own understanding.

guys... don't worry... Our GOD in control all the time.

our candidate (political candidate) may disapoint us but our GOD still in control.

Why i prefer a church to lean toward politics, because deut 32:30 How could one man chase a thousand, or two put ten thousand to flight, unless their Rock had sold them, unless the LORD had given them up?

from team work perspective... the more the merrier

also Isaiah 9.6: And the government will rest on His shoulders.... i know this one talks about Jesus. But who is the body ? the church lahh...

now back to political candidate, we support them through our prayer, so they can completed GOD's assignment on their shoulder. now this is spiritual warfare. This book helps
http://www.amazon.com/Invading-Seven-Mount...n/dp/1616386665

so at the end... don't worry

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