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post Jan 12 2015, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jan 12 2015, 08:14 PM)
your income from where? good boy! stock trader sins right coz of gambling
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errr, income from dad when i study away from home.. T.T include my room rental, sometimes not enough, eat kolo mee only..

Stock market is not gamble when you know you are doing..
I understand what u mean by gambling.. a trader which buy and sell for short periods of time..

As for me, i am investing, it's similar to investing in a good company.. smile.gif
it's not a sin, as i am not putting money blindly like the slot machine..
buying a good company is somewhat my hobby smile.gif
plus, i am not addicted to looking at the stock every sec the market opens..

Gamble: “To play at any game of chance for stakes. To stake or risk money, or anything of value, on the outcome of something involving chance.”
Invest: “To put money to use, by purchase or expenditure, in something offering profitable returns.”


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post Jan 12 2015, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Jan 12 2015, 08:29 PM)
trading can be high risk n speculative. yeah in the way, it is like gambling (fast win, fast loose) and addictive.

but investing is different as it is for long term (1 year) and above.

i have learn my hard lessons enough that i have decided not to trade stock anymore. hope he is not in that path too. just my 2 cent advice.
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blush.gif yeah, i know many so called sifus who joined when the markets are up, simply put money in..
when 2008/2009 crisis, lost everything once they sold everything.. sweat.gif sweat.gif
that's gambling in fact..


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post Jan 12 2015, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Jan 12 2015, 08:30 PM)
errr, income from dad when i study away from home.. T.T include my room rental, sometimes not enough, eat kolo mee only..

Stock market is not gamble when you know you are doing..
I understand what u mean by gambling.. a trader which buy and sell for short periods of time..

As for me, i am investing, it's similar to investing in a good company.. smile.gif
it's not a sin, as i am not putting money blindly like the slot machine..
buying a good company is somewhat my hobby smile.gif
plus, i am not addicted to looking at the stock every sec the market opens.. 

Gamble: “To play at any game of chance for stakes. To stake or risk money, or anything of value, on the outcome of something involving chance.”
Invest: “To put money to use, by purchase or expenditure, in something offering profitable returns.”
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err..income from dad can be counted as tithe meh? your dad gave you to support your study liao. income should be what we earn by working liao. study is not same as working. although you know what you are doing, it is zero sum game for short term liao. zero sum game cause others to lose money liao. you think people putting blindly in slot machine? they calculate for hours to see the numbers appear or poker play using smart brain liao not just pure luck but it is zero sum game which is gamble. Tell me what stock you invested and what is the reason for that. I do not want young boy fall to sin because he is too naive liao.
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post Jan 12 2015, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jan 12 2015, 08:38 PM)
err..income from dad can be counted as tithe meh? your dad gave you to support your study liao. income should be what we earn by working liao. study is not same as working. although you know what you are doing, it is zero sum game for short term liao. zero sum game cause others to lose money liao. you think people putting blindly in slot machine? they calculate for hours to see the numbers appear or poker play using smart brain liao not just pure luck but it is zero sum game which is gamble. Tell me what stock you invested and what is the reason for that. I do not want young boy fall to sin because he is too naive liao.
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my dad wanna train me to learn to give 10% everything i receive?
Ang Pau, Scholarship money etc..

Now, I have only DIGI and IGBREIT.. All for Dividend Yield..
The rest, i put into Unit Trust from diff fund managers..
unsure.gif unsure.gif i am just planing to retire when i am 35 yrs old..
Do missions in Nepal if possible.. unsure.gif unsure.gif

love missions trips, been to Pensiangan before.. Interior of Sabah.. No Phone reception..
3 hours ride in car from KK.. then 1.5 hrs boat to the village.. (if not mistaken)
You can see how poor they are, you will appreciate life more..


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post Jan 12 2015, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Jan 12 2015, 08:44 PM)
my dad wanna train me to learn to give 10% everything i receive?
Ang Pau, Scholarship money etc..

Now, I have only DIGI and IGBREIT.. All for Dividend Yield..
The rest, i put into Unit Trust from diff fund managers..
unsure.gif  unsure.gif  i am just planing to retire when i am 35 yrs old..
Do missions in Nepal if possible..  unsure.gif  unsure.gif

love missions trips, been to Pensiangan before.. Interior of Sabah.. No Phone reception..
3 hours ride in car from KK.. then 1.5 hrs boat to the village.. (if not mistaken)
You can see how poor they are, you will appreciate life more..
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why must be in Nepal? so you don't want to have a wife meh? good if your wife also wanna follow you do mission trips. Btw, mission trip also got in church every 3 mths go other countries but we need to pay la the traveling cost. No need to go outside, in KL so much beggars on the street liao. However, if you give them money you teach them to be lazy. God does not like lazy pipu. you are good boy liao, hope working field does not saturate your idealistic thinking in future. I become kekedut after working liao coz of much pressure to save money especially house is expensive now. lots of young boys now do carding (stealing money ppl credit card) and they donate money to poor become robin hood liao. that's wrong. it sounds you are from rich family liao retire so young

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post Jan 12 2015, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jan 12 2015, 08:50 PM)
why must be in Nepal? so you don't want to have a wife meh? good if your wife also wanna follow you do mission trips. Btw, mission trip also got in church every 3 mths go other countries but we need to pay la the traveling cost. No need to go outside, in KL so much beggars on the street liao. However, if you give them money you teach them to be lazy. God does not like lazy pipu. you are good boy liao, hope working field does not saturate your idealistic thinking in future. I become kekedut after working liao coz of much pressure to save money especially house is expensive now. lots of young boys now do carding (stealing money ppl credit card) and they donate money to poor become robin hood liao. that's wrong. it sounds you are from rich family liao retire so young
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cry.gif cry.gif naa, i just feel the need there, my church have been calling.. go there build church, orphanage, bukan give money..
I totally agree on not giving money when u visit them..
household items like rice clothes, ok..
not money.. they will not appreciate but want more i think.
go for 6 moths enough la.. btw, i am from East MY..
My family middle class..
Not rich.. can eat well.. just that, but cant go posh school etc..
No order drinks when go out makan..

Carding shocking.gif shocking.gif shocking.gif
nvr heard of it.. innocent 19 yr old boy here.. icon_rolleyes.gif

see my dad work so hard, so got interest in finance..
Won't do the same mistakes they make.. biggrin.gif
thx for caring.. hahaha
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post Jan 12 2015, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 12 2015, 09:44 AM)
Bible Devotions with UW

Can we purify ourselves?
Good Morning Friends or Night by the time you read this.

I must confess I am troubled whenever I see erroneous teaching methods use to pass on the word of God to Believers. Not to say He is teaching heresy or false (it is not that). It is from the right foundation but the wrong type of words in meaning is wrongly used.

One of the common mistakes that most preacher makes is to take Old Covenant way and to integrate or mix into the New Covenant Life.

Jesus says we cannot pour new wine and pour it into old wineskins because the wineskin will burst. (Matthew 9:17) And it is also true for vice versa.
Jesus was referring to mixing up Law and Grace. Old Covenant mixing with New Covenant. You cannot mix both, Jesus himself says it will burst!

So what is my angst about?

The term purifying ourselves most likely taken from 1 John 1:9 where it says: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
In the Old Covenant, YES it is valid, you need to purify yourself because our righteousness depends on our effort or works.

In the New Covenant It CANNOT BE because the Bible is very clear it is the works of God that purify us and saves us.
In Philippians 3:9 it says:

not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ--the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith.

Do you realize in most Churches today, When it comes to the matter of Salvation, Righteousness, Cleansing and Holiness there's hardly much preaching, expounding about the work of Christ or preaching everything about Christ? Think about it. It's mostly about us, what should we, what not to do, what not to grieve. If you see it, that sort of righteousness comes from the Law.
A lot of focus is put on us rather than on God. There is no power in of ourselves but there is power when the focus is on the Almighty God.

but Question is who is purifying who? So whenever a preachers says: Purify yourself, People might think Wow I can purify myself through my confession of sins and repent.
Anyway the term purify ourselves is not what the Bible teaches in the New Covenant. Even in the Old Testament, God was preparing the way of Salvation by giving us hints.

Isaiah 43:25 - "I, even I, am he who blots out your transgressions, for my own sake, and remembers your sins no more."

And Titus makes it  very clear, it is the work of God that purify us.

Titus 2:14 - who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.
1 Peter 1:18 says it like this: For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors,
and 1 John 1:7 says it like this: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

All these speaks about God and his work or more accurately the Blood of Christ that was sacrifice as the one who purify us. It is the work of Christ.

Being purified, cleansed, made Holy and Saved is a gift of God that we need to receive. That is why the Bible explicitly says it by the Grace of God. Something that is not owed to us like salary where the employer of the company must give because we work for it.

We need to receive this by Faith. We cannot be righteous by our conduct, no matter what we do. So how do we become righteous? By Receiving the gift of Salvation from God by Faith. Faith is credited to us as righteousness.

We are not sinners because we sin. We are sinners because we inherited Adam's sin. Therefore that stain or corruption pass on causes us to sin and likewise Christ did not become Sin because He sin. He became Sin by receiving our Sin at the cross. The Bible say In Him there is No Sin, He knew No Sin and He did No Sin. So how did Christ become Sin? He receive all our Sins at the Cross. The Divine Exchange.

We receive Christ Gift of Righteousness by Faith, Christ receive our sin at the cross through his Finished Work. We cannot purify ourselves, we must remember where to put our Faith correctly which is in Christ and Christ alone, never in our confession or even repentance because having focusing on that is going back to the Old Covenant which the Bible calls a Ministry of Death.

God Bless.
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So scripturally correct.
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post Jan 12 2015, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Jan 12 2015, 04:17 PM)
I  think he meant we are sinners from the day we are born.. Not when we sin, then we are sinners?
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That's right.

QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jan 12 2015, 08:16 PM)
we sin la no need to blame adam and eve
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Inherited from Adam and Eve. This is how the scripture explains it.



QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jan 12 2015, 09:47 PM)
So scripturally correct.
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Thank you Tina.
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post Jan 12 2015, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Jan 12 2015, 04:32 PM)
nod.gif  nod.gif  nod.gif
Proud 2nd Gen Christian!

but i feel, i am not as strong compared to my mum and dad.. sad.gif
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Spiritual Growth in Christ is just like real life growing.

Just as you live doing your daily stuff, so must your spirit man do spiritual stuff daily.

And what I mean by that is prayer, reading the Bible, practising your faith, walking in love daily, etc.

The Bible promises when we put our Faith into actions daily, it is cultivating the spirit man in you to grow.

You will come to that place of strength like your parent.

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post Jan 12 2015, 10:32 PM

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UW,

But how do you tell others, especially other churches, who practiced wrong doctrines? How do you convince them that?
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jan 12 2015, 10:32 PM)
UW,

But how do you tell others, especially other churches, who practiced wrong doctrines? How do you convince them that?
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We can't force people Tina, It's the Job of the HS to illuminate his word to each believer.

We just deliver as whatever wisdom is given and enabled by the spirit.
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post Jan 12 2015, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 12 2015, 10:36 PM)
We can't force people Tina, It's the Job of the HS to illuminate his word to each believer.

We just deliver as whatever wisdom is given and enabled by the spirit.
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Paul did warned Christians regarding false teachers right?
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jan 12 2015, 10:41 PM)
Paul did warned Christians regarding false teachers right?
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Yes He did but look at the context of the warning.

1 Timothy 1:3-4

3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer 4 or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God’s work—which is by faith.

We cannot simply flail the word False Teacher or False prophet according to our whim and fancy, should follow scripture meaning.

Here as above you can see it talks about


"which is by Faith"

Anything that is not by Faith according to this verse is False Teaching. The greatest antithesis of Faith is Works. Because many were trying to bring back the Law into the gospel. Even today.

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post Jan 12 2015, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 12 2015, 10:56 PM)
Yes He did but look at the context of the warning.

1 Timothy 1:3-4

3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer 4 or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God’s work—which is by faith.

We cannot simply flail the word False Teacher or False prophet according to our whim and fancy, should follow scripture meaning.

Here as above you can see it talks about
"which is by Faith"

Anything that is not by Faith according to this verse is False Teaching.
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Yeah, now when I read Bible again, the word "faith" really struck a chord with me.

If we can't flail the false teachers, can we kick him in the nuts instead?
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jan 12 2015, 11:00 PM)
Yeah, now when I read Bible again, the word "faith" really struck a chord with me.

If we can't flail the false teachers, can we kick him in the nuts instead?
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LOL, we all want to.

But here is where we have to exhibit patience. The work of the gospel is all of God.

We don't have to get upset or angry if people disagree. Commit it to God and let God handle and deal with the person.

I've seen with my own eyes this has happen many times.

The Battle is the Lord's.

God wants us to be in peace and in Joy. So Let us be at peace and do our own thing. Not worth to get wrinkles right? wink.gif

Maybe you can say it's kind of very uncaring not to care.
I rather be uncaring not to care rather than go into arguments where everybody's emotion is upset.


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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 12 2015, 11:05 PM)
LOL, we all want to.

But here is where we have to exhibit patience. The work of the gospel is all of God.

We don't have to get upset or angry if people disagree. Commit it to God and let God handle and deal with the person.

I've seen with my own eyes this has happen many times.

The Battle is the Lord's.

God wants us to be in peace and in Joy. So Let us be at peace and do our own thing. Not worth to get wrinkles right?  wink.gif

Maybe you can say it's kind of very uncaring not to care.
I rather be uncaring not to care rather than go into arguments where everybody's emotion is upset.
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I guess you can't argue with God. God will seek vengeance for you...from Romans or something.

I just wish I can kick somebody nuts or something...
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jan 12 2015, 11:09 PM)
I guess you can't argue with God. God will seek vengeance for you...from Romans or something.

I just wish I can kick somebody nuts or something...
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Oh that is talking about people doing you wrong. Vengeance belongs to God, leave that to the Father to deal with such people. (Romans 12:19)

I'm talking about one of the key secret, not many Christian know or allow it to happen.

In our Life, the battle belongs to our Lord.

2 Chronicles 20:15 (KJV) - .....Be not afraid nor dismayed by reason of this great multitude; for the battle is not yours, but God's.


hmmm maybe another devotion on this.
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I'm feeling quite discouraged that my firend is still attempting to overdose herself. I understand that it takes time and I can't let emotions get in the way.

Still really sad to see sad.gif
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jan 13 2015, 02:07 AM)
I'm feeling quite discouraged that my firend is still attempting to overdose herself. I understand that it takes time and I can't let emotions get in the way.

Still really sad to see sad.gif
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dun be sad.gif . cont committing ur fren in prayer. our Father notworthy.gif is ALWAYS in control.

i'm listening to this now cool.gif ........perhaps something to encourage u at this late hour too

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Domo arigato for the encouragement

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