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 Property Bubble & Its Social Impact V13, LYN famous DDD Vs UUU Thread

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icemanfx
post Nov 10 2014, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Nov 10 2014, 09:01 AM)
Including the one who sold too early last year, now holding petty amount of money go study, but money burned of quickly no choice but to work part time in ice cream stall earning sesame wages, very low possibility can afford another property in near future, so only hope is for market to collapsed, that is merely a dream which will vanish when the alarm clock ring, so is another day of suffering at ice cream stall..  cry.gif
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If one find the overloaded ship could not last stormy weather ahead, unless he doesn't has a choice, shouldn't he deboard?

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post Nov 10 2014, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Nov 10 2014, 09:46 AM)
Alternative???
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post Nov 10 2014, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Nov 10 2014, 01:56 PM)
My ideal is to give 1 Landed and 1 highrise to my children so that they can stay in the Landed and keep the highrise for investment or for their own children.  So in this case, I hope to be able to help my future 2-generations.

For Landed, I cannot afford KV area, so it has to be in South of KL.

For Highrise, buying in South KL is a BIG risk at the moment, so I have to confine to hotter areas like OKR, etc.
This is just friendly discussions. We should always refrain from playing 'Who has the biggest D1CK"
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How many of gen y wanted to stay in property bought or built 10, 20 or 30 years ago?


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QUOTE(eddycyh @ Nov 10 2014, 02:20 PM)
Situation will force people to change. If the property price is way too high during that generation, there is no other choice but to stay at old house.  sad.gif
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Nov 10 2014, 02:23 PM)
Do u hav a choice if prime area do not hav land for new project and u do not wants to spent hrs of travelling??   cool2.gif  cool2.gif

u hav to compromise in some way isnt it??....  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Nov 10 2014, 02:27 PM)
Some people preferred older property as the area very matured & many amenities, eg Setapak area which deem very old yet look at the amount of project there, 20-30 minutes to KLCC very difficult to find now.
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Why there is a huge difference in RM PSF asking price between older property and new launch subsale? And why number of transaction for older property is also much lower despite cheaper?


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post Nov 10 2014, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Nov 10 2014, 03:01 PM)
Apart from the common sense that older property may need more $$$ for reno and repairs, there is also other factors such as Concept & Lifestyle

Newer Properties incorporate Concept & Lifestyle in the township such as SEH, Eco Majestic, TH, Nadayu 92 that the older Taman in Kajang such as Kajang Perdana, Kajang Prima, Kajang Utama cannot / do not provide.

So, the price has also been incorporated.
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Current property concept, design or even location will be idea or suited for lifestyle in 10, 20 or 30 years time?

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post Nov 10 2014, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(homosapien8888 @ Nov 10 2014, 06:36 PM)
hi , my debt is about 1 million, hope to get advice from  sifu here
i got 50k cash now, how should i use it now?

house 1 , debt 443k installment 2600/month , interest rate blr-2.3 - no rental
personal loan 41k, 24 month now left 18 month , rm1815, interest 3.13%
house 2, debt 460k - DIBS, will need to serve the installment 1Q 2015, installment about 2.1k a month, BLR-2.4
car loan , 100 k , interest 2.48 % monthly installment 1874, 5 year,

how should i restructure my debt?

my income to debt ratio is 90 % at this moment
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https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3406036

Is this common?

icemanfx
post Nov 10 2014, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 10 2014, 08:36 PM)
First time i see this kind of thread. Once in a blue moon. You say common or not ?
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Not common because many dibs property not yet VP.

QUOTE(jolokia @ Nov 10 2014, 09:14 PM)
Ice Cream boy win Liao today, finally he found whonhe looking for.. rclxms.gif

The fellow still got family house to stay, most probably still got PAMA to support in case emergency.

He more like wanna know how to extent his 50K.

Let hear from him next year & see how.

How yesterday ice cream sales ? Good ? If got people eating expensive ice cream mean economy still good.
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What happened to those prudent local banks?

QUOTE(homosapien8888 @ Nov 10 2014, 09:23 PM)
salary increasing, more interested on how to max up the 50k lol...
my holding power very strong.. not thinking to dispose my property.
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well supported in case anything happen smile.gif
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Guess this is what uuu call "very strong holding power".

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post Nov 11 2014, 07:54 AM

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QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Nov 11 2014, 01:23 AM)
Period***Terraced***Semi-Detached***Bungalow***High-Rise 
                                            Annual Change % 
2010--------6.5----------7.6-----------------7.4-----------6.2
2011-------10.6---------9.0------------------5.2----------11.1
2012-------11.1---------9.2----------------11.8-----------21.4
2013-------10.0--------12.2----------------16.4----------17.3
Data above is from BNM website. Look at the % increase  from 2010 onwards.

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Landed property is supposed to be more limited supply than high rise and yet high rise price increased a lot more than landed.

Either high rise was undervalued or overvalued now.

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post Nov 11 2014, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Nov 11 2014, 07:57 AM)
R u sure high rise increas a lot than landed? U got your data right mou?

U got ask latuk manutdgiggs his desapark increase how many fold mou?
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You should ask bnm, not me.

QUOTE(cfa28 @ Nov 11 2014, 08:25 AM)
The Highrise is located nearer to KL City

The Landed is much further away
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Thought condo price near klcc didn't increased much?

Whatever, condo is 25% over valued than landed.

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 11 2014, 05:24 PM)
thumbup.gif You got balls. Unlike some DDD..... rolleyes.gif

Actually your idea is good. You choose your own property and predicts. Workable also...

Let's wait for DDD with balls to commit. I found 1  tongue.gif  If got DDD give their prediction, only the new thread is meaningful
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UUU claimed one can't time the market but insist could predict future price. What a hypocrite.

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post Nov 11 2014, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Nov 11 2014, 03:38 PM)
Landed is always at the high side in price compare to high-rise.
THat's why high rise have a more % to move up.

Just as an example:
Landed: RM1 mill x 1% = Rm10k
Hi-Rise: Rm200,000 x 5% = Rm10k

Hi Rise shows more % than landed but price increment the same.
So if landed increase 2%, the price increment beat hi-rise by double liao.
You cannot use landed and hi-rise as comparison as under or overvlaued.
THey are 2 different type of prop.
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UUU claimed land is no longer produced. Due to limited supply and scarcity, landed property should appreciate faster and more than high rise but wasn't.

Either kv property is defying gravity, landed is under valued or high rise is over valued.

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post Nov 12 2014, 02:53 PM

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Saw a banner in mk area;

After discount, Rm8k to own a new condo, ready to move in.

Means developers units not fully sold and price likely remain as new launch.

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post Nov 12 2014, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Nov 12 2014, 03:01 PM)
Continue to dream on....nowadays can find properties with newly launched price
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If price increased from new launched, shouldn't down payment also need to increase?

Perhaps you can take a drive to mk and call the agent.

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post Nov 12 2014, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Nov 12 2014, 03:01 PM)
Continue to dream on....nowadays can find properties with newly launched price
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Nov 12 2014, 04:03 PM)
U called to check?

If no, how u kno didn't increase? Maybe previously is RM7,999....... Now 8k...... Increased mah..... tongue.gif
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It seems the developer is giving marginally more discount than new launch a few years back.

Btw, it is reality not dream.

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post Nov 12 2014, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Nov 12 2014, 08:46 PM)
Ice Cream Boy r u working in Mon't Kiara or Publika outlet this weekend ? I go support you, you give me marginally more discount or not ?

MK even with discount you also cannot afford lah, those days got Zero entry DIBS now where got ?
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Whether I can afford or not is not the issue or matter here. Uuu is going personal?

Some r.e agent claimed not long ago; developer won't compete with subsale seller.

QUOTE(bcpbeancounter @ Nov 12 2014, 08:51 PM)
Mk average price drop is not a news.
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Mk is exceptional or benchmark to kV property?

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post Nov 13 2014, 12:45 AM

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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Nov 12 2014, 03:01 PM)
Continue to dream on....nowadays can find properties with newly launched price
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QUOTE(R o Y @ Oct 10 2014, 12:27 PM)
When I visited the sales office last month, the developer had about 20%++ still unsold.

Developer price for balance units was around RM1000psf +/-

Appears to be around the same as launch price. So don't see how the initial buyers would be able to sell higher than the developer's balance units, especially since developer's units come with freebies.
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QUOTE(Minolta @ Nov 13 2014, 12:45 AM)
Banner in MK but kondo where?
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In MK


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QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Nov 13 2014, 02:45 AM)
MISSING PERSON LEPORT!

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If spotted, please inform him to return to this thread for gay bashing. ...

Identify via video below ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asPzZDQe14U

Hahaha ....  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 13 2014, 08:03 AM)
I told you before, but you refuse to understand. But I will explain 1 more time.

Very simple, TRANSACTION VOLUME DOES NOT DETERMINE PRICE !

DEMAND AND SUPPLY DOES (in a free market)

--> Transaction volume low does not mean demand is less
--> Transaction volume low does not mean supply is more
Transaction low but price still high could be due to :

1. Buyer want to buy, but bank limit their approval. So artificially surpress the transaction volume. Demand is still there
2. The sellers hold on and look for buyers with ability to obtain loan
3. Transaction low doesn't mean seller is willing to reduce price. They can wait for right time
4. RPGT is 30%. Seller wait to avoid paying more tax
5. Seller as long as they have jobs, they can service the loan. Why hurry to sell ?
6. Seller has no intention to sell altogether. They want to rent, or keep for their children

If you are in business, you will understand price is not determined by transaction. There are certain % profit margin that business need to keep in order to survive. They have operational costs to take care of. If the cost is RM10, the price must be say, RM12. Even if transaction is low, it doesn't mean the boss will reduce price to <RM12. The boss has to make profit, or they will just stop selling or sell something else.

Cost of construction increase every year. GST coming in next year. Construction cost will continue to increase. Why do you think businessman will sacrifice their profit margin ? If they can't achieve the profit margin, they can just refuse to build. Then supply will come down. Price will still increase.

Don't be fooled by the low transaction. As long as the economy is still running good, you won't see crash. If you really are looking for only 10% discount, there are always bargains around. Don't need to wait for bubble burst
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Lower number of transaction= either lower demand or supply.
Higher total transacted value means higher average value.

If supply is limited or reduced, one can bet average price will increase further. However, if supply is not limited, this overhang will cause the price to tumble.

Unless the business doesn't have overhead, most companies will cut margin to increase sales. In property market, how many flippers and developers are without fixed cost or could sustain extended period with negative cash flow?

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Nov 13 2014, 01:04 PM)
Already explained numerous time, as long as economy is OK people got job & income they will continue to hold to their property, what do you mean negative cash flow ?

You buy house borrowed money from bank & bank make sure you can afford the mortgage base on you income, you can rent it out either to cover the entire mortgage or a huge fraction of it, some do not need the rental collection they keep it vacant.

So can you tell me what do you mean by negative cash flow ? the selling price is fixed only upon disposal not a pre fix price.

Just like those ice cream you selling now, if raw material or labor increase, your boss will increase the selling price, offcoz you ice cream had limited shelf life which need to dispose if can't be sold within expired date, but property don't  whistling.gif
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As if price is inelastic of demand.

How could a student to teach uuu investor on cash flow.

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 13 2014, 02:20 PM)
bearbear ask me "why transaction is lower for 2011-2012, 2012-2013, 2013-2014, and yet price increase". So I answered him

Can you give your opinion to bearbear why the transaction is lower for the past 3 years, but yet price increase ?
p/s bearbearwong saw my post, but not to his liking. He cannot give his rebuttal although he doesn't like my answer. This is called "refusal to accept reality" syndrome  tongue.gif
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Most of those bought from 2011 to 2014 were hoping for further price rise.


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