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 Property Bubble & Its Social Impact V13, LYN famous DDD Vs UUU Thread

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post Nov 6 2014, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Nov 6 2014, 08:54 AM)
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...ise-study-shows

Wage, property inequality in Malaysia on the rise, study shows BY ANISAH SHUKRY Published: 5 November 2014

November 5, 2014.

Wealth is concentrating in the already affluent as inequality in property and earnings in Malaysia are rising, a joint study by Universiti Malaya (UM) and the Khazanah Research Institute has found. The study covered the private and public sector, and showed that data from the official Household Income Survey (HIS) yielded opposite findings when compared with data on private sector salaries, public sector employment and the National Property Information Centre (Napic). UM's Dr Lee Hwok Aun and Khazanah's Dr Muhammed Abdul Khalid found that while the HIS reported a decline in inequality of gross household income, the other data sources showed that inequality in terms of personal earnings and house ownership was increasing.

"We find evidence that inequality is growing in earnings in both the private and public sectors and increasingly concentrated at the topmost strata," Muhammed told a seminar titled "Has inequality in Malaysia really gone down?" in UM today. "In terms of wealth ownership, there is also rising inequality in property ownership." According to data from the Employees Provident Fund (EPF), the largest retirement fund in Malaysia, the Gini Coefficient of the savings accounts had risen from 0.643 in 2004 to 0.661 in 2013, the researchers said. (The Gini Coefficient Index measures the distribution of income in a certain country. According to the HIS, the Gini Coefficient of Malaysia's gross household income in 2012 was 0.43.) ‎"The savings of the bottom half of EPF account holders has fallen from 2004 to 2013, while there is a slight increase in concentration at the top 1%," said Dr Lee, a senior lecturer with UM's Department of Developmental Studies. The salaries of workers aged 26-35 had also grown at slower rates from 2004 to 2013, and lagged behind the earnings of those above 40 years of age, they said.

Meanwhile, in the public sector,‎ the rank of managers and professionals have expanded disproportionately‎ faster from 1999 to 2012, according to their compilation from the Employment List of Ministries and Departments in the Estimated Federal Budget. "There is a concentration in the uppermost positions, which is similar to the findings from the EPF. The top management enjoys higher income," said Lee. In 1999, the top management comprised 0.09‎% of the staff, while the management and professionals made up 14.07% of the staff. But in 2012, 0.17% of the staff were top management and 29.80% were of the management and professionals. "The disparity between the top 10% and bottom% may have increased," said Lee. The researchers said the Gini Coefficient of residential properties sold a year had also increased from 0.51 in 1996 to 0.53 in 2011, according to their calculations based on data from Napic. "‎The value of property purchased by high-end buyers has grown more rapidly than property purchased by low-end buyers throughout the years," said Muhammed.

The share of total property value by the bottom 20%‎ from 2006 to 2011 has remained stagnant at 5%, while the top 10% have enjoyed a growth from 35% to 40% of total shares during the same period, according to the data. ‎The researchers also said that passenger vehicle sales data show increasing proportions of luxury cars from 2001 to 2011. "There is a rising share ‎of vehicles sold at the high end and bottom end, and rapid growth in luxury brands and compact cars," said Lee. ‎Data from private unit trust funds such as Amanah Saham Berhad showed that the majority own very little and have seen their shares declining from 2007 to 2012, said Muhammed. The shares of the bottom 50% of ASB share‎holders has dropped from 3% to 2%, while the 80th to 90th percentile have seen an increase from 76% to 77% share ownership from 2007 to 2012, according to the researchers. But the researchers noted that according to the HIS‎, household income inequality has been on a downward trend since 2004.

"The HIS states that Malaysia's Gini Coefficient of gross household income shrank 0.84%‎ per year from 2004 to 2012, while in the 2000s, the bottom 40% enjoyed relatively higher income growth," said Lee. The researchers suggested that the disparity‎ between the HIS and their own study may be due to the fact that the HIS did not take into account the earnings of each individual in a household. "The HIS reports the aggregate gross household income. There is no distinction between earned income and gross income," said Lee. "Gross household income inequality may be declining while personal earnings inequality rises due to transfers and multiple income earners in a household." – November 5, 2014. -

Bear2 see what i mean ? Didn't i told you this long before this studies ? The rich sibeh rich can afford to buy more & more to keep, 80% bottom earner is no relevant to support the property price, they can go fly kite as far as developer concern, nobody care if they can afford those 400-800K property, they are like BMW, Benz, Audi, Ferrari, Posh don't care if 95% average income earner can afford their car or not.
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rclxms.gif  "‎The value of property purchased by high-end buyers has grown more rapidly than property purchased by low-end buyers throughout the years,"  thumbup.gif  .

Bear2, SonicKim88, Ice Cream MX, Lalat Dern (Eat your heart out)..  rclxm9.gif
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they will mention everyting under the sky but nth related to:

a) transaction slow down
b) demands lowered (confirmed by junior investors)
c) Bank measures are tightening
d) developers suffering slowdown and loan rejection for new launches
e) developers unable to sell of all units even VP has handed (Oug parklane, altitude 236, sky vista residency, taman pertama, goodview @ sg long 2.5 storey category, taming mutiara 3, strands of projects in mont kiara , cheras heights and etc)
f) sub-sales newly vp ( too long a list, there are 1 year vp list, 2 year vp list, favourite example Amaya & GT 208) and etc
g) the cooling measures (further enhanced)

all these were not within those years when they invested, now they still say 5-6 years ago, they mention only... to boost market.. they know this is over and not the same anymore, thus they are interested in cashing out.. some maybe rental.. the target is of course not mature areas like klcc, mk and etc.. those areas are not related even they bubble also not the major concern..

on the other hand they acknowledge no more superbull run, only left with 5-10% bull run (some jokers say inflation, if inflation property so high,)
they actually know what they are doing...


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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Nov 6 2014, 09:33 AM)
Bro bear y so defensive. Old man here felt bored of mf story ma. So I ask if u hav others to share boh???

I dun remember I wanna buy condo wo. So mf not in my list lo. But I'm happy to hear Fr u for all contoh contoh ma.

Pls calm down la. Early morning nia le. Gua kat immigration look at those officers punya attitude oso no fire up. Why r u so flamed up???
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i answer for you, It a dumb f*** to have buy 700k 3 years down the road for Midfields 2... I be the bad guy for you... I one of you rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Nov 6 2014, 09:39 AM)
Don't concenrn on how much I wanna sell....

Think this way, if now I offer bro here at developer price 500k with 30k mark up any taker?

As long as not losing why care so much..I can't predict future and I never time market. Price up buy less , price down buy more, super good price then sell and upgrade

By the way stop using midfield 2 la I getting a bit sein dy
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either project I use will somelse investment...

Amaya bumi buyer (Amaya maluri)
Jliew ( Midfields 2)
wybee78 ( 10 units of GT208)
Dr pitchard (Oug parklane cash buy)
Talbac( Mutiara villa superlink kajang)
TKJ (SEH)
Doom ( SEH)
Jason cat (SEH)
SAMKPS (seh)
Raikonen (SEH, EM)
Chris ( SEM & EM in rows buying) investors clubs
and etc

other BBB are so worried dun even dare to tell their projects where abouts, if the above is not true, why care? all staying? Amaya got 2 ass to stay in 2 units?
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Nov 6 2014, 09:44 AM)
How about 500k now?  tongue.gif

1100 sq ft, pool view high floor , fully sold in 3 hours
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u think suitable for ownstay or not? if you buy for ownstay, views, HTC, nirvana , bas news of Midfield 1 workmanship..

if investment different, see hantam first saw many ppl lining up..

since 500k finish within 3 hours, will 700k finish within 3 hours? 700k cannot invest already right... own stay? those are the real demand for own stay..

zuiko will not answer for you one...
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we are back to trolling mode and rubbish talk later and nothing related to bubble...

lets check other threads shall we? I m sure there will be followers too
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Nov 6 2014, 09:51 AM)
Latuk, I think he missed the boat for MF that why he sibeh Tulan  tongue.gif

Anyway condo is for little kid game la, u big timer play land n factory
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half day talking already... what are the negative points of Midfields 2? cannot be none?
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Nov 6 2014, 10:00 AM)
Why u care so much other people got how many unit...

Any law in malaysia prevent malaysian own more than 1 property  whistling.gif
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hello I got care how many units meh? I just using example what.. so is it true what i said 1 year ago? Amaya still having depressed occupancy will to date?

Midfields 1 subsales how? bubble not going to happen also what, why you care so much ppl talking about bubble?


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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Nov 6 2014, 09:59 AM)
Negative point let me list down

Leasehold, poor workmanship, near nirvana, HTC , high maintenance

Good point
- gua buy early very cheap
- good demand
- ytl never failed give me good return, even YTLpower give me sibeh good return
- near City with this price tag u can't even get in kajang for same quality
-gua bo lui buy better condo  tongue.gif
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icic, why ppl will get flamed when mentioning in Mid fields 2 threads? speaking of this, should pay a visit to this thread..

now you see, Latuk Man U also dun want comment much on Midfields 2... u sendiri tau.. dun feel so much not only you many projects too
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Nov 6 2014, 10:23 AM)
It ex leader aka Jiao Lang asked me not to tok bout condo ma. It wasn't me dun wanna tok bout mf wo.
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that means no views at all.. the other BBB will suddenly all become factory investors one, you see, especially Jolokia, after this he say he invest agriculture lands.. see
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Changing social pressures may be cause of growth in household debt

KUALA LUMPUR: The rapid growth in household debt and leverage in a number of countries may be symptoms of a larger change in the attitude of consumers.

According to Bank Negara governor Tan Sri Zeti Akhtar Aziz (pic), these included changing social norms such as societal peer pressure.

“This (high indebtedness) is also being reinforced by changing social norms, such as social pressure to spend, which has further eroded financial discipline among households,” Zeti said in her speech at the Citi-Financial Times financial education summit 2014 yesterday.

She said such pressures were further compounded by the rising cost of living in urban areas.

Zeti noted that the rapid growth in indebtedness was prevalent amid an ample liquidity and low interest rate environment at present.

Financial capability levels among consumers, have, however, generally lagged the broader socio-economic changes that were taking place and this resulted in poor financial management, she added.

On another matter, Zeti said that inclusive growth strategies and a balanced economic growth was an important imperative if socio-economic progress was to be achieved in societies.

“Economic growth and development, no matter how stellar, will begin to fade when inequality sets in and when income disparities widen.

“For several emerging economies, such conditions are reflective of the growing phenomenon of the urban poor, with significant implications for social stability and balanced growth,” Zeti added.

She noted that there needed to be strategies that targeted at preparing individuals at an early stage so that they may be more equipped to adjust to the new economic, financial and social realities, moving forward.

“The financial education agenda needs to deliver a sustained education programme that will equip all segments of the population with the necessary financial knowledge to save, invest and to insure against adverse events,” Zeti said.
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Nov 6 2014, 11:56 AM)
Assumption can b in general. Means u n u n u n u n ................... Basically everyone. Including prof.
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property price goes up and never come down is not an assumption but fact? u also indulge in trolling, u really speech like that in front of other datuks? if those under you sure listen..
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Nov 6 2014, 12:34 PM)
Conclusion don't for the sake of show off in front of In law & GF, Buta2 wanna hantam 730K Goodeview with 5.5K gross income..  laugh.gif
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back to trolling business and "paria" business u like to use this
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how RPGT is being by pass, still say no abuse, preudent banking, preudent bank negara , income tax shit... Malai also doing telling me Chinese not doing

http://www.propertywaltz.com/2013/03/tekni...ntuk-tidak.html
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 6 2014, 04:07 PM)
Bro, cool down. The word "ass" also come out already....

Don't worry, as you plan, price sure will crash 20% in 2015. Just in time for you to buy  thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 6 2014, 04:28 PM)
bearbear,

Green Terrain how much now ? RM600k ? Next year drop 20% to RM480k you buy ? What if the price continue to drop another 20% to RM360k in 2016 ? Shouldn't you wait another year ? 1 more year only mah...you save RM120k man. Can upgrade your vios to civic liao....

Demand bad now, crash sure to happen next year. And as bro iceman said, it take a few years to bottom...
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drop 20% will be good, dropping another 20%, of course very good, but wait you dare to comment first after the initial 20% drop.. ok rclxms.gif

sad right, forumers like BBB can only comment like this.. sad.gif

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 6 2014, 04:37 PM)
Drop 20% good. You buy.

Then drop another 20%. Why got good. You lost RM120k. If you wait 2016/17 you could buy a civic for free

True boh bearbear ?
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ya loss 120k...so seems like you are confident more than us dropping soon... what are you waiting, still high price? want to pay more loans and then suffer 20% drop later another 20%?

but I believe property has a base price... would not drop so bad till those extend, but let wait 20% drop then we shall see, if transaction is up, means demand is back..

as of now, transaction low/depressed, demands low, many vacant, you know the maths... needless for me to waste energy over this
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 6 2014, 04:47 PM)
Wah, didn't know you study philosophy also  thumbup.gif

But in real world, "give more gain more" doesn't happen. It only makes a person "feel better"

And also if you "give" with expectation you will "gain" back, it defeats the purpose of charity. When you give, give without expectation. "Give" with your true heart to helping others. That is the ultimate.
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ya meh... you bought 300k selling 600k, profit 300k

Jliew bought 500k selling 600k only but hope 700k also, still Jliew give more but profit lesser than you leh...

in property flipping it differs, due to market saturated, demands low, transaction low, price peaked, super bull and any other bull don't run anymore lor..

right or not?
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Nov 6 2014, 04:54 PM)
When did I say I wanna sell ? How come myself also dono ah  rclxub.gif
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analogy only... I use one south...at Huayang, Jolokia want to hantma this project subsale

bought 370k (with 5% discount), subsales selling 400k to 480k... as of Nov 2014,

still they put in at least 340k onwards, goess profited less than 100k...
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 6 2014, 04:56 PM)
bearbear, I am thinking "in your shoe". So, I am anticipating what will happen if your prediction is right. Not saying I agree with you. You understand or not ?
bearbear, don't be so confident. Look at USA. When it drop, it dropped >50% for most type of property. You only think the possible situation which will "best fit" your plan.

I can tell you if bubble really crash (eg. suddenly EPF bankrupt etc), it wouldn't stop at 20% one. It will go further. At least 50%. That time people only worry about their stomach. They have to fire sell all their asset. People only want cash to buy food

bearbear, can I humbly request you do me a small favour ?
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that time nvm, we alwayls have you who are higher debt to be with.. why worry..

wait the first 20% drop first..

country sure can get new loans, dun so worry about EPF, maybe a god idea for you and me, they will choose to borrow from aisa country like CHina, Japan, and etc... with theior debt on top of the head, policy will be in their favour..

who knows maybe new populations coming in..
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Nov 6 2014, 05:02 PM)
Jolokia bought 370k ? Good buy ...why not u grab a unit there if location not a problem for u

Gross profit less than 100k still not bad as downpayment is very low for initial buyer. Return not bad even sell at 370k
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one south is consider icon of seri kembangan, there are reason for such... price.. if you are targeting such , means demands is lower and

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