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 Property Bubble & Its Social Impact V13, LYN famous DDD Vs UUU Thread

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post Nov 5 2014, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 5 2014, 05:08 PM)
Calculation roughly is correct. But I won't call 5%-10% bull run. I call it inflation.

As you can see, the faster you buy, the cheaper you can get and more profit you can earn. What are you waiting for ?
Talking about sub-sale market, market is not motivated by demand only. You have to see supply also. Whether people want to sell lower or hold on and wait for another bull run again. Don't underestimate the holding power of property owner. So, your theory of looking at demand only is flawed
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so it is correct, and now change choice of word, its is now inflation better word... means no more bull run? investment cant work anymore? since 5-10% is now inflation, means it is just to counter the shrinking of money.. investment after super bull run stops ? change town? changing bull run to inflation? to save demands? cannot like this very foul & wrong (will be continous reminder after this) bull run theory has evolved into inflation, BBB

if this is the point you wanted to show, property has peak at end of superbull run... so all they are waiting is to cash out... if cant need to service loan already..

bro if is going to profit, you not buying and waiting other ppl to profit meh? you don't fool the property investors, making them to believe holding property is the right course, holding requires cost of holding it, maintenance and etc... longer you hold more cost incurred, units getting old, competition is eating in.. and most importantly, it is profit reducing..

ability to hold to prove a point is not a good investment idea.. this is another time i heard supply is more important than demand... have you heard ppl saying like this before?

where is Jolokia? no flaming you? demand is not dependable buy supplies. so do we have supplies massively in the market then? Amaya? GT208? OUG parklane ( and the whole of old klang road)

pretty obvious, from demand point of view ( as you promoted) and also supplies point of view (with proof)
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Nov 5 2014, 06:20 PM)
bbw backside itchy..... trolling in other thread liao....  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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Yet we have ppl who do not believe in prop bubble wasting time here
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Nov 5 2014, 06:48 PM)
Bearbear no holding power assume everyone no holding power...he earn  rm5k but look so highly on himself n tot himself is medium upper class n look down on Non degree holder  mad.gif
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Oh.. let see.. we have one non degree holder reporting in I see
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post Nov 5 2014, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 5 2014, 07:33 PM)
What change of words ?  doh.gif  Your reading ability is in doubt. Please go for a check up.
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so 5-10% is never mention by you as bull run is over? and it is now inflation?

on issue of demands, they are undeniable fact of reduced demands? thus resulting superbull to end it run?

on the issue of supplies you mention now is the center of gravity.. so are the supplies excessive?

all these are heading to which trend?
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post Nov 5 2014, 07:44 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 5 2014, 07:40 PM)
bearbear, from what you wrote, I think your understanding of economics is very poor. So, I better don't talk about economics with you. The more you talk about economics, the more confuse you are

Just think something easier to understand by layman. A lot of developers and contractors are UMXO people. Do you think they will let the property market crash ? You forgot about how the last budget disappointed you ?

Government won't let property market crash one lah....
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oh, America was run too by their own ppl, how they have allow property to burst? Lehman bros to wound up? how Argentina country would allow thier country indebt so much, that creditors wanted to wound up Argentina? how did Greece went bancrupt?

how? how not Malaysia allow burst? integrity itself is best to explain their next coming move...

so no rebuttals means admission of the above facts... superbull run has ended, coz demand lowering, with demand lowering, the trend of proeprty is no longer suit property investment isn't? where are we heading again?
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 5 2014, 07:41 PM)
All the while I said so. You interpret differently only  doh.gif
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if you really think so, there you last integrity you left...

however..

previous years, superbull runs (30%) p.a

so now we do not have a bull run but (rather an inflation) of 5-10%, so superbull no more running? (30%)?

arent demands are the main factor for superbull to run? you getting no where but worse... previous years there are superbull run, then you say bull run of 5-10% increment ( if inflation is of that high of property price) not very long Malaysia will be ghost town). since it is inflation, means no bull run...

no bull run is worse than 5-10% bull run isn't?

previous years (30%) superbull run, demands driven

now, no superbull neither any bulls (0), worsen demands driven

so, still demands going down? right no matter it is inflation or bull run? landed on a worse case.. properties are stagnant.. sure or not?
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QUOTE(CloudAtla$ @ Nov 5 2014, 07:45 PM)
Bearbear, pls go to roadside tfk. U r totally rubbish. U think so great to hav a degree? I hav a degree but i work for my client who study up to standard 6. So u wan to look down on my client? If u look down on him, u r the world most tai lan ngon sohai. Do u believe he is a billionaire? He issue cheque in million by own cash, not thru borrowing.
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then you are a disgrace to degree holders lor..
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 5 2014, 07:51 PM)
I don't see Obama use sedition act against the Republican in USA  tongue.gif

bearbear, malaysia boleh ! Apa pun boleh ! Especially when their pocket is concerned. You are too young for malaysian politics ?
Where are we heading again ? I told you already. Back to "normal" 5%-10%

Property is a long term game. There are ups and downs. But over long term, it will be up. History proved that for decades. Don't time the market. Then you will make your returns.

You are too "macro" and confused. You don't know what is your purpose in buying a house. I have said the same thing to you so many times already. You still blur blur  tongue.gif
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oh irregardless of what you wanted to term it which you did termed as bull run has end, still a drop in demands haven't we?

I think you guys just justify anything in the name of property investment and price to up.. (when fasts show they do drop and correction and some crashed)
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Nov 5 2014, 06:20 PM)
No every one after bought come here blow trumpet mah, worst still go in & our revolving door of SHL end up didn't buy anything..  tongue.gif
So can get cheap price or not ? Any owner offer you 20% discount boh ?  whistling.gif
I wonder Studio Vs No House, which is worst ?  hmm.gif
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wow from "paria" words made by you, no even back to old butt, irrelevant comments.. failed TS...
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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Nov 5 2014, 05:10 PM)
Bear bear, why u still use this amaya as example? have u checked his latest status? have he sold his units? bankrupt already? u keep repeating old news and u think people wont change over time? u think everyone is like u, sit there idling waiting and may be next year also postpone marriage.... icon_question.gif
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otherwise, where we know and what I said before, it did remain vacant majority at least 70% till to date since last year...
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Nov 5 2014, 06:12 PM)
Lu ada betul boh ? OUG Parklane already sell 97% lah , phase 1 only 11 units with developer, phase 2 fully sold off 100%, only phase 3 with about 100 units.

Still not good enough ah ? Any project sure got some unsold units, it could be developer own self keep some units to fix benchmark for their property, i know 1 project developer take up few unit to sell at high price so that those buyer can price their unit close to it, sales gimik mah !

Bear2 you really newbies in property lah..  whistling.gif

Why you wanna kepoh Amaya, thats how many years story liao, you got follow up with him or not ? maybe he now sibeh kaya drive benz leh,, thumbup.gif
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as in they already completed/vp the units champion and it is 5% of total 4600 units... like buying goods on the shelf with no expiry but no takers.. other investors are lining up to sell
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Nov 5 2014, 07:56 PM)
Don't be surprise . He still not apologise to me for accusing me say I lie to people about midfield can sell at 700k which I never mention .

He have selective reading n memory disorder  mad.gif
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so 600k can sell or not? want Jolokia help you count or not? looks like not doing good... 30% cash park in... rclxms.gif , not for own stay, rental cant cover , even it does no profit , credit locked, capital appreciation?

Jolokia refuse to use the analogy of one south, this would have proven a bad investment indeed
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 5 2014, 07:58 PM)
I can see a confused bearbear here  tongue.gif

You are too hard up to see price to come down to meet your expectation. Until you cannot sit back and think simple logic. Instead you dealt into economics which you have no knowledge

bearbear, come back to basic. Answer these questions

1. Why you buy property ?
2. Can you afford the monthly instalment comfortably ? Ie. if interest rate increase by 5% do you have buffer ? If you lose your job, do you have emergency fund (including instalment payment) for 6 months ?
3. If you already buy a house, and price fall by 50%, will the price fall affect you ? Will you be forced to sell and lose 50% ?
4. If the price increase by 50%, will the price increase affect you ? Will you sell ?

You should think about all these questions instead of going into the Economics of property market  doh.gif
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freaking irrelavant... to the question post and quoted...

demands dropping, so as price, that y superbull stop running.. easy, you contributed a lot in DDD programme, alwayls hid the meaning inside for us to cracked

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 5 2014, 08:02 PM)
You too are trying to justify your property market outlook  tongue.gif

The difference is.....UUU has been RIGHT for the past 5-6 years. And DDD has been WRONG for the past 5-6 years.
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no wonder still using the old 5-6 years, but you mention superbull has ended running remember, left with (inflation) bull run of 5-10%... still dare to use 5-6 years ago?

that is why revealing the malpractice by banks ( prudent practice forumers, derailed), agents, investors clubs are trying to, but just over stretch isnt, that y even you mention superbull run is over, (remember you saying so)

even this you still say demand not affected?

demand effected, mass supplies? where are we heading? holding powers?
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Nov 5 2014, 08:04 PM)
Market has been up all the while.even in 97 is was so short the period of down trend. Google is gd to search tat but those went thru know beta.
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so applying today ? got hantam spree? still many new launched waiting to be hantam?

has demand lowered?
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 5 2014, 08:09 PM)
When I point out the obvious, you claim it is irrelevant  doh.gif

Ok lah. Let's assume bearbear is 100% right. Your crystal ball say price will fall.

But got 1 problem. Price of property take years to reach bottom. Maybe 3 years like in USA

So your Goodview now RM729k.

2015 VP RM679k <--- bearbear buy
2016 drop to RM629k <--- bearbear feel stupid to buy so early
2017 drop to RM579 <--- bearbear feel even more stupid to buy so early. Could have buy RM150k cheaper  tongue.gif

I am giving only 20% price drop. What if 50% drop ?  drool.gif
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has demands lowered?
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Nov 5 2014, 08:10 PM)
U don't divert the topic..I am here telling u simply accuse me for saying something I never mention n u need to apologize for slander...u don't pusing here pusing there like a kid

By the way since u ask I just answer u .very simple

I got money n I can buy whatever I want , u kepoh for what, jealous ah  tongue.gif

Why u care if I lose money or buy to keep dust , u won't lose or profit anything...

Focus on yourself la kid

By the way u still owe me apologize for slander ...u don't siam  mad.gif
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oh so even the investors himself already admited the bad investment possible of making a loss.. 500k chips holder out there...

wow I see law terms being used.. got help?
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Nov 5 2014, 08:13 PM)
slowdown has been evident in some research and market outlook....but not really a crash....it will only happen if subprime situation happening in malaysia...and if u didnt know, bank negara has curb this the last few years, with very strict and prudent lending...

honestly i've seen a house auction 40-50% off its original launching value in selected area..this kind of opportunity is actually availb all the time....investor with money would have snatch all those good opportunity silently....those that  make a big huhaa is usually ppl dat doesnt have money, squandered all their monthly salary money, and complain all props high value...
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u sure our banking system is prudent? this is Malaysia runned by Malai

wow, even those properties are being speculated? and the price are not speculated? then you gotta do back ground check on your peers across the board, they are in fact 65% of your peers who do not have house majority, hear me right.. waiting for help and renting , who are the culprits?
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 5 2014, 08:16 PM)
For you bearbear.....yes ! you are 100% right ! Next year Goodview price fall 50% to RM365k ! As you plan ! All because of demand now lower !

You are a genius in economics. The great law of demand and supply helps bearbear buy his first house at 50% discount  thumbup.gif
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this is what you said, I didnt say.. so we have positive answer of demands lowering, so hard to admit a glaring facts...

making big big gap to justify the non applicable of lower demands ... drop 10-20% would be enough and good start,...

ask you to confirm demands lowering, you even put with presicion how far discounts will in.. but I am not as sick as you, 50% no body cares about property, 10-20% would be healthy one... and keep the market rolling, to have wait the group that you target to increase in their earnings/salary long wait, many interest need to serve...

rich ppl are never stupid ppl (some are) nobody would want to make a loss by servicing to get back in future so near (5) years for price to rebound.. if you say cannot sell maybe..
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QUOTE(kradun @ Nov 5 2014, 08:20 PM)
bro, buta2 earn RM100k u said is bad investment then what else consider ok? even seller willing to earn lesser at 50% discount still can earn RM50k beat almost all other type of investment that u see in this market.. please enlightent which type is consider good investment..
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how has marriage and studio affected you? looks to me serious....

buta buta 100k is a gross profit... minus this and that maybe around 70k... and you have forgotten one rule of thumb, you gotta be SUCESSFULLY selling it before the said 100k goes in ... DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW? DO YOU NEED MY COUNSELING? post marriage breakdown?

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