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 Property Bubble & Its Social Impact V13, LYN famous DDD Vs UUU Thread

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post Nov 5 2014, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Nov 5 2014, 08:21 PM)
Hahha reality is harsh, may be got new competitor liao...

Bro jolokia and manutdgiggs, u 2 got curi-curi PM Bearbear gf anot
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You don't simply accuse me ah ! My target has always been his GF sister brows.gif

His GF demand he to buy expensive house = liabilities

His GF do Birdnest business earn big profits = asset

Offcoz choose asset mah ! later when assets is full then look for liabilities lah.. like ah Bear meh now die2 donno where to find money to buy Goodview.


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post Nov 6 2014, 08:41 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 5 2014, 11:20 PM)
While subsale is asking for new launch price+100k, if developer could let go their 111 units at new launch price +50k or lower, subsale sellers will be in a fix especially those over stretched flippers.
Have you ask your billionaire client; what he thinks of current property frenzy?

Btw, what are you doing in property thread? you should be in Gold investment thread
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Ais Krim Boy, think logically lah, where got developer so stewpit, sell below owner price, later who dares to buy from them, there will adjust their price each time secondary price go higher, they also like untung more mah, somemore those left over unit, they not keen to see off instantly, they will use it to set new benchmark so that people will see their property give good return, so that more people will buy their future project.

Don't dream lah, no more second round dead chicken for you to pick lah, gone with the wind liao... whistling.gif

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post Nov 6 2014, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Nov 6 2014, 08:43 AM)
I hav time machine for rent. Can go back 1957
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I don't have 1957 currency, can go back but no money to buy... laugh.gif
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post Nov 6 2014, 08:54 AM

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http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...ise-study-shows

Wage, property inequality in Malaysia on the rise, study shows BY ANISAH SHUKRY Published: 5 November 2014

November 5, 2014.

Wealth is concentrating in the already affluent as inequality in property and earnings in Malaysia are rising, a joint study by Universiti Malaya (UM) and the Khazanah Research Institute has found. The study covered the private and public sector, and showed that data from the official Household Income Survey (HIS) yielded opposite findings when compared with data on private sector salaries, public sector employment and the National Property Information Centre (Napic). UM's Dr Lee Hwok Aun and Khazanah's Dr Muhammed Abdul Khalid found that while the HIS reported a decline in inequality of gross household income, the other data sources showed that inequality in terms of personal earnings and house ownership was increasing.

"We find evidence that inequality is growing in earnings in both the private and public sectors and increasingly concentrated at the topmost strata," Muhammed told a seminar titled "Has inequality in Malaysia really gone down?" in UM today. "In terms of wealth ownership, there is also rising inequality in property ownership." According to data from the Employees Provident Fund (EPF), the largest retirement fund in Malaysia, the Gini Coefficient of the savings accounts had risen from 0.643 in 2004 to 0.661 in 2013, the researchers said. (The Gini Coefficient Index measures the distribution of income in a certain country. According to the HIS, the Gini Coefficient of Malaysia's gross household income in 2012 was 0.43.) ‎"The savings of the bottom half of EPF account holders has fallen from 2004 to 2013, while there is a slight increase in concentration at the top 1%," said Dr Lee, a senior lecturer with UM's Department of Developmental Studies. The salaries of workers aged 26-35 had also grown at slower rates from 2004 to 2013, and lagged behind the earnings of those above 40 years of age, they said.

Meanwhile, in the public sector,‎ the rank of managers and professionals have expanded disproportionately‎ faster from 1999 to 2012, according to their compilation from the Employment List of Ministries and Departments in the Estimated Federal Budget. "There is a concentration in the uppermost positions, which is similar to the findings from the EPF. The top management enjoys higher income," said Lee. In 1999, the top management comprised 0.09‎% of the staff, while the management and professionals made up 14.07% of the staff. But in 2012, 0.17% of the staff were top management and 29.80% were of the management and professionals. "The disparity between the top 10% and bottom% may have increased," said Lee. The researchers said the Gini Coefficient of residential properties sold a year had also increased from 0.51 in 1996 to 0.53 in 2011, according to their calculations based on data from Napic. "‎The value of property purchased by high-end buyers has grown more rapidly than property purchased by low-end buyers throughout the years," said Muhammed.

The share of total property value by the bottom 20%‎ from 2006 to 2011 has remained stagnant at 5%, while the top 10% have enjoyed a growth from 35% to 40% of total shares during the same period, according to the data. ‎The researchers also said that passenger vehicle sales data show increasing proportions of luxury cars from 2001 to 2011. "There is a rising share ‎of vehicles sold at the high end and bottom end, and rapid growth in luxury brands and compact cars," said Lee. ‎Data from private unit trust funds such as Amanah Saham Berhad showed that the majority own very little and have seen their shares declining from 2007 to 2012, said Muhammed. The shares of the bottom 50% of ASB share‎holders has dropped from 3% to 2%, while the 80th to 90th percentile have seen an increase from 76% to 77% share ownership from 2007 to 2012, according to the researchers. But the researchers noted that according to the HIS‎, household income inequality has been on a downward trend since 2004.

"The HIS states that Malaysia's Gini Coefficient of gross household income shrank 0.84%‎ per year from 2004 to 2012, while in the 2000s, the bottom 40% enjoyed relatively higher income growth," said Lee. The researchers suggested that the disparity‎ between the HIS and their own study may be due to the fact that the HIS did not take into account the earnings of each individual in a household. "The HIS reports the aggregate gross household income. There is no distinction between earned income and gross income," said Lee. "Gross household income inequality may be declining while personal earnings inequality rises due to transfers and multiple income earners in a household." – November 5, 2014. -



Bear2 see what i mean ? Didn't i told you this long before this studies ? The rich sibeh rich can afford to buy more & more to keep, 80% bottom earner is no relevant to support the property price, they can go fly kite as far as developer concern, nobody care if they can afford those 400-800K property, they are like BMW, Benz, Audi, Ferrari, Posh don't care if 95% average income earner can afford their car or not.
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rclxms.gif "‎The value of property purchased by high-end buyers has grown more rapidly than property purchased by low-end buyers throughout the years," thumbup.gif .

Bear2, SonicKim88, Ice Cream MX, Lalat Dern (Eat your heart out).. rclxm9.gif

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post Nov 6 2014, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(Kyojin @ Nov 6 2014, 10:07 AM)
IMHO, this study is against the interest of UUU than DDD. The rich are purchasing more properties than they can live in i.e. it is is purchased as a form of investment. Now, if there is an increase in inequality of earnings, it only tells you that the lower income won't be able to afford these properties. Even if there's a demand properties in KV, it's of no use if the target audience are not able to afford these properties. Tie this in with the increase cost of living post GST, PTPTN's recent decision to only provide loans for BR1M only, the glut of condo's available now in KV, property development beyond KV, and the government's effort to provide affordable housing in the next few years. It's no surprise that the rich are able to afford more the past couple years with DIBS, you won't argue against this.

It's only bad news for those who are heavily invested in "luxury" condos. There's nothing holding back potential property buyers to live in with their parents if they don't have the money! We are already seeing a slowdown in the launches of new properties, and subsale prices have been stagnant as well. With all the shit talk going on, I'm just gonna grab my popcorn and see how long before everyone loses their poker face and cashes out.
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Let me guess, you also among the can't afford demand group that can only hope for miracle to happened ? tongue.gif
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post Nov 6 2014, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 6 2014, 10:26 AM)
As if developer puts rm 33 million+ revenue before subsale sellers. if developer is in subsale market, they will keep substantial numbers to be released after vp and they are not. developer is not as stupid as flippers; why developer need to compete with flippers? they will advertise at or higher than subsale asking price but give discount to genuine buyers. flippers are unlikely to find out. even if flippers find out, developers is selling vp units at launching price, what can flippers do?

unless conventional economic theory doesn't apply to kv property, dead chicken will be plentiful.
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Lu eat too much Ais Krim lah !

Which developer will ruin their reputation for the sake of selling a few unsold unit ? future who dare to buy property form them, why would Akisama want to fire sales a few unit ?

Ask your self if you are developer sold off few thousand units of condo now balance at hand 11 units, you wanna fire sales & piss off those 2000 over unit buyer ah ?

That's why lah, you remained Student mentality till now, probably never become big boss in your lifetime, "typical nila setitik rosak susu sebelanga" Penny wise pound foolish... shakehead.gif
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post Nov 6 2014, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 6 2014, 11:11 AM)
Changing social pressures may be cause of growth in household debt

KUALA LUMPUR: The rapid growth in household debt and leverage in a number of countries may be symptoms of a larger change in the attitude of consumers.

According to Bank Negara governor Tan Sri Zeti Akhtar Aziz (pic), these included changing social norms such as societal peer pressure. Eg GF, In Law, In Law Sister, Need to buy 730K Property but Salary only 5K

“This (high indebtedness) is also being reinforced by changing social norms, such as social pressure to spend, which has further eroded financial discipline among households,” Zeti said in her speech at the Citi-Financial Times financial education summit 2014 yesterday.

She said such pressures were further compounded by the rising cost of living in urban areas.

Zeti noted that the rapid growth in indebtedness was prevalent amid an ample liquidity and low interest rate environment at present.

Financial capability levels among consumers, have, however, generally lagged the broader socio-economic changes that were taking place and this resulted in poor financial management, she added.

On another matter, Zeti said that inclusive growth strategies and a balanced economic growth was an important imperative if socio-economic progress was to be achieved in societies.

“Economic growth and development, no matter how stellar, will begin to fade when inequality sets in and when income disparities widen.

“For several emerging economies, such conditions are reflective of the growing phenomenon of the urban poor, with significant implications for social stability and balanced growth,” Zeti added.

She noted that there needed to be strategies that targeted at preparing individuals at an early stage so that they may be more equipped to adjust to the new economic, financial and social realities, moving forward.

“The financial education agenda needs to deliver a sustained education programme that will equip all segments of the population with the necessary financial knowledge to save, invest and to insure against adverse events,” Zeti said.
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Conclusion don't for the sake of show off in front of In law & GF, Buta2 wanna hantam 730K Goodeview with 5.5K gross income.. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 6 2014, 12:39 PM)
Yours is from re agents and flippers point of view. After the end of bull run, you will realize small fish is eaten by big fish, and who is the ultimate boss.

There is a sucker born every minute, if existing subsale sellers don't buy new projects, others will.

According to your earlier posting, there are 111 units worth over rm 33 million left over in oug parklane.
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First of all phase 3 still not yet VP, Phase 1 & 2 only 11 unit left.

For you 33 millions is BIG deal probably will never even have chance to smell it your lifetime, but for Big Developer this is merely Ikan Bilis.

Ask your self will Baskin Robins sell those left over ice cream or expired one to road site ice cream seller cheap 2 ? Better then thrown away right, probably they thrown few thousand worth ice cream every store every few month.

Why not sell it cheap 2 to outside ?

Your brain getting more frozen nowadays lah ! I also scare go eat real milk ice cream already, seem like side effect make people more dumbo....kakaka
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 6 2014, 01:57 PM)
Not sure praying is enough to save uuu. Believe if uuu donate 50% of their profit to charity will earn more karma than praying alone.
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For some one who work for a Ice Cream franchise company, which thrown away tons & tons of food rather than donate it to the poor, is talking about karma now.. tongue.gif

What happened to the 2 X 300K properties you sold too early last year ? got donate 50% of the profit, or donate to Uncle Lim ?? or burned in any failed investment. brows.gif
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QUOTE(Kyojin @ Nov 6 2014, 01:49 PM)
Saw this coming a mile away. My ability to purchase any forms of property is irrelevant to the discussion. To put it in simpler terms. What if I do, what if I don't? It doesn't change the facts of the study.

Your inability to have a meaningful discussion however, is astounding. popcorn.jpeg
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I want to buy a Ferrari California T, but can't afford, was is due to i am poor or due to price too expensive ? hmm.gif

Don't study practice, do it, take action in life, or else you stay dreaming for the rest of your life.,,

Loser Dream, Winner take action.. whistling.gif
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post Nov 6 2014, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 6 2014, 04:19 PM)
Wah....now "sperm" also you write dy....

This week is a bad week for you bearbear....Don't worry. Price sure come down next year. Because demand bad mah  thumbup.gif
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GF tak bagi until he bought the house she want. brows.gif

Fire now up his brain, this weekend he "chat ga gee" again. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Nov 6 2014, 03:46 PM)
i feel sorry for him and I will pray for him  tongue.gif
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I'll pray for him too though i am a atheist. cool2.gif
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Nov 6 2014, 04:54 PM)
When did I say I wanna sell ? How come myself also dono ah  rclxub.gif
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Jliew remember ah my offer 601K after VP wink.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 6 2014, 04:58 PM)
analogy only... I use one south...at Huayang, Jolokia want to hantma this project subsale

bought 370k (with 5% discount), subsales selling 400k to 480k... as of Nov 2014,

still they put in at least 340k onwards, goess profited less than 100k...
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Lu dreaming ah ? 10% rebate lah, typical Zero entry project.. whistling.gif

I will buy only if Bear2 live next door to me.. brows.gif

I can come back report Bear2 daily life there, so when he kena from GF & In law he can't denied.. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 6 2014, 05:18 PM)
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Correct ! last time you sell 2 units you gasap buyer cukup2, now "What go around come around" Seller gasap you kao2 until you cannot afford.

How Ice Cream business ? hand tired scooping Ice Cream or not ? today so free no business ah ? yawn.gif
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 6 2014, 06:00 PM)
Since kv property appreciate tripled in the last 6 years, why still keep your money in unit trust, forex, some in FD, PNB products? Lack of self confidence?
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Like you meh put all egg in 1 basket, now after sold off egg basket also pawn out, wanna collect egg also not basket to put.. laugh.gif

Must be diversified mah, can always move the cheese around, you student never heard of "Who Move My Cheese" story ah ?

Why you so lazy don't want to work hard & earn money to buy property at current price, why you day & night can only wish people bankrupt only you can buy at lower price ?

Now your know lah, owner not so easy fall one as they have other investment supporting their property investment, i am quite sure Showtime not the only one.
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Nov 6 2014, 05:02 PM)
Jolokia bought 370k ? Good buy ...why not u grab a unit there if location not a problem for u

Gross profit less than 100k still not bad as downpayment is very low for initial buyer. Return not bad even sell at 370k
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I like this thread & Bear2 , he very kind always wish me own a lot of property which i don't even know i bought ?

He also introduce me a lot of good buy though i can't afford for the time been.

I wish him good luck & bought a property his GF can accept & bagi him this this weekend, or else if he keep fire for too long not good for his health. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Nov 6 2014, 08:23 PM)
I'm back. Missed out few pages. Wats the fun today???

Any summary ar??? Lazy to go thru. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(bcpbeancounter @ Nov 6 2014, 08:28 PM)
I hav also missed out few days. What is the argument now?
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Ice Cream Boy says you all had sin for buying so many property, you all must donate 50% of your earnings to charity to avoid bad karma.

He also says Akisama balance OUG Parklane units will be on fire sales as Akisama 11 units is big burden for them to keep, developer will undercut flipper as they desperate to cash in.

Bear2 starts to use vulgar language, he says my Parc One South is bad investment earn 100K paper gain upon VP is failed investment (though i don't remember when did i bought it), he also says Jliew Midfield2 is failed investment as upon VP at best cannot sell above 600K.

Bear2 say Sri kembangan, Cheras South is outskirts area, investment there will sure failed, i think he forget he is the one promote that area like nobody business.

Ah Bear recently quite On Fire 上火 could be Ying Yang no balance 阴阳不調, few weeks GF tak bagi.. brows.gif had to depends on watching Maria Ozawa video..kakakaka

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 6 2014, 09:11 PM)
So both of you also keep cash (forex, fd) as part of investment also?!
Means you don't have fd, forex or stock, and probably almost drown in cc debts
Why feel stupid? miss the boat for didn't buy more property? admit you keep cash as part of your investment?
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FD is saving lah ! You crazy meh never keep so reserved fund.

Stock just buy when go news, not for long term keeping.

I only use CC as replacement for cash, every month clear the balance, not as rolling.

So don't worry for us we are OK.

You also take care ya, if Ice Cream business no good car ring the bell a bit, i see those Turkish Ice Cream man do that, seem like can attrach lot's of customers, no harm try it out.

Tomorrow i free, which outlet you work at ? i brings family go support you.
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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Nov 7 2014, 09:36 AM)
He scared liao......yawn.gif
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Bear PMed me just now, he is having fever so no mood to answer you all, Friday night fever, 虚火上升,欲火焚身,走火入魔。

Leave him alone.

Bear2 you wanna buy my Parc One South or not ? Very cheap kawan2 price, mid floor facing pool, no worry see highway, buy food no need pay toll, instant access to many major highway.

If not I offer you my Sg Long Greenview Residence mid floor also facing green, 1300sf corner unit, red bricks facade, very Angmoh feel.

Still don't like it Le Yuan just VP got man made beach, GF sure like it, but this one a bit pricey lah.

Let me know ya.

I reserved for you till end of next year, if you confirm i go do booking & keep it vacant so that you can move in instantly. wink.gif

I discount 20% for you later base on transact price, Shui boh ?

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