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 Aircon Discussion v2, Continuing on from previous AC topics

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ozak
post Nov 27 2014, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Nov 26 2014, 10:43 PM)
Also inverter starting was runing slow speed to maximum JET speed vs non inverter full load power.

http://qualityacs.com/FAQ.htm
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Both is still reach at maximum watt of running when require.

If you see aztechx where he place the aircon. It is in the hall + dinning area. That probably require 2HP and more. Either he install underpower 1.5Hp or correct power of 2HP, both are running at high watt. (1 longer time with less watt and 1 higher watt with short time.) Is it better for him to have separate wiring ?
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post Nov 28 2014, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(DecaPix @ Nov 28 2014, 10:41 AM)
hehe..you see the pictures posted on this forum..
i see plenty of the contractors drill through the beam so the wire can go through  shocking.gif
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Drill through the beam went wrong. --> https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1940699/+220?hl=thick
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post Jan 19 2015, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(audy @ Jan 19 2015, 03:31 PM)
No battery leak in remote control, still very clean inside. What kind of shop sells universal remote? Does any electrical appliance shop sells this?
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You can get it from jalan pasar, kl. Just walk 1 shop to 1 shop at there. You never fail to get 1. Bring along the old 1.
ozak
post Jan 24 2015, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(FieldEngineer @ Jan 24 2015, 10:13 AM)
Guys,

I'm asking opinion on placement of 2 AC outdoor units.

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Currently preferring Option A.

Thanks.
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You don't have a place to hide it? Both place spoil your house look.
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post Jan 30 2015, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jan 29 2015, 09:38 PM)
Look like Pana out of quality control.
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Yesterday meeting in spore. Get news that Pana aircon is increase production this yrs in Thailand. Look like good business.
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post Jan 30 2015, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jan 30 2015, 09:27 AM)
Exported to thailand made lagi better than localized quality control cut here & theres

So next time no more cheaper Pana brand already..

Did Pana going to improves thier remote control and add in easy clean design for more customers choice

Against Pana always do facelift design from previous model they call it patrol control of that sensor turn on blue LED light to spoil my dark room and my eye always keep on that blue light, at the end I had do DIY for apply tited in black color for cover up that few LEDs light on FCU.

Actually they no points to keep so much LEDs light.
As a good design for only power on green color will do.

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What problem with the remote control?

Why you going to ON the patrol sensor? Waste energy la.
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post Jan 31 2015, 07:09 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jan 31 2015, 06:12 AM)
Last time we knew national is the best Aircon n also much expansive.
Like compressor is original come from Japan then the rest just packaging in malaysia by matsushita under japanese company.

Now compressor n parts all made in China and just the casing and packing from pana malaysia only.
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Panasonic start to make compressor here in Malaysia since 1988. All the compressor is make in here. Before branch out to Thailand and China.
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post Mar 4 2015, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(aztechx @ Mar 4 2015, 07:44 PM)
Using the diagnostic function it states error code f91. Googling that up i came up with:

Abnormality / Protection control = Refrigerantion cycle abnormality
Abnormality Judgement = 2 times occurance within 20 minutes
Emergency operation =
Primary location to verify = • No refrigerant (3-way valve is closed)
Well it was blowing out air. Noticed it wasnt cold but the contractor said it will take some time for the compressor to work and its a hot day. Turned out it didnt change until night time when i turned it on again.
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The contractor forget pump in gas is it?
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post Mar 31 2015, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(clickNsnap @ Mar 30 2015, 11:37 PM)
Just received the MHI 1hp inverter air-con SRK10YL-S4 today, read the manual, found out that the MHI inverter air-con needs 7 wires (3 wires to the out door unit, 4 wires from the out door unit to the in door unit), any one can confirm the needs of 7 wires?

My current Panasonic inverter Cs-S10NKH needs only 4 wires...
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4 wire only to the outdoor. Live, neutral, signal and earth. 2mm.
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post Mar 31 2015, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(clickNsnap @ Mar 31 2015, 12:21 AM)
Thanks ozak and weikee.

"Most installer will tap the power from indoor, and go to the compressor"... Is this safe?

The leaflet was indicated 4 wires only... But the manual wiring drawing needs 7 wires  rclxub.gif
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You cannot call this 7wires. Normally in electrical term, 7wires is a continuos 7wires from point A to point B. Or called 7core.

Std incoming live, neutral and earth are coming into the room. That would be wired to the indoor unit. From indoor unit wired to the outdoor unit. In this case you cannot said the wire from the outdoor unit. Cause electric flow from indoor unit.

It is pretty safe. Most of the brand below 3hp, incoming is from the indoor. Indoor unit control the outdoor unit ON/OFF.

The leaflet and manual is nothing wrong. Supply is 3 wire. Outgoing is 4 wire.


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QUOTE(kimsim @ Mar 31 2015, 08:19 AM)
Pana inverter so far has many Aircon shop not recommended, due to easily failed.

Cause power supply located indoor side n taken too much standby power for the board itself and easily made on overheating burned.

So they recommend me on non-inverter Gas R410a Pana brand, more durable and just 1pc of PCB to control in/out.
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I have been using pana inverter 1.5hp for 8yrs now. How?

And I don't understand what is stanby power for the board.
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post Mar 31 2015, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(clickNsnap @ Mar 31 2015, 08:46 AM)
But the manual drawing of wire shows 3 wires to outdoor unit, 4 wires from outdoor to indoor (seems the MHI design the 'control of air-con' is from the outdoor unit to communicate to the inddor unit), the contractor needs to pull 7 wires to match the wire drawing. Unless change the wiring as per attachment (red wire is for communication between outdoor and indoor unit, but no control of power supply from outdoor to indoor unit).

Btw, the leaflet stated 4 cores of wiring.
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Sorry. My mistake. I see wrongly the diagram mistaken that is indoor unit.

For Mitsubishi aircon, the incoming is to the outdoor unit first. Than outgoing to the indoor.

The leaflet mention wire is for between outdoor and indoor. 4core wire 1.5mmsq. What is different infor is the wire size. The leaflet wrote 1.5mm but the manual wrote 2.0. Just follow the manual.

The contractor not pull 7wire. They need to pull 3wire from the db for supply. Than another set of 4core wire tie together with the piping to the indoor unit.

DO NOT CHANGE the wiring. Follow the manual.
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post Mar 31 2015, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(clickNsnap @ Mar 31 2015, 09:22 AM)
Panasonic's wiring seem much simple...

btw, I opened the outdoor unit and check, can only find 4 slots for wiring, I expect 7 slots... as per the manual...  rclxub.gif  Will call the MHI main distributor and confirm again.
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That is for incoming power supply. Probably another set of terminal box at another side?

Panasonic is about same. Just the power supply is opposite.

MHI aircon have an extra work, where you need to pull the power supply wire to the outdoor. Mostly house developer prepare the wire inside the room.
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post Mar 31 2015, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(clickNsnap @ Mar 31 2015, 09:27 AM)
They need to pull 3wire from the db for supply (3 wires from DB to outdoor unit). Than another set of 4core wire tie together with the piping to the indoor unit (4 wires from outdoor to indoor unit) = pull 7 wires ?
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Again I said, in electrical term, you cannot said 7wire. That will misled the electrician think you need 7core from point a to point b.

Tell the electrician the incoming power supply to the unit is 3core. And between the 2unit is 4core.
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post Mar 31 2015, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(clickNsnap @ Mar 31 2015, 09:27 AM)
They need to pull 3wire from the db for supply (3 wires from DB to outdoor unit). Than another set of 4core wire tie together with the piping to the indoor unit (4 wires from outdoor to indoor unit) = pull 7 wires ?
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post Mar 31 2015, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(clickNsnap @ Mar 31 2015, 10:09 AM)
Noted and thanks.
Checked, there is only one terminal box in the outdoor unit... spoke to MHI distributor and just found out that the wire terminal is having two layers (2x live, 2x neutral, 1x signer between outdoor & indoor, 1x earth).

Look like MHI needs more wiring... means more $$...
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That look like the manual is misguide.

That is parallel join.
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post Mar 31 2015, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Mar 31 2015, 10:09 AM)
Standby power like a once you turns off the Aircon.
If switch of main plug to be totally don't have keep standby power mode at all.
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That is a relay in the board function to on/off. Depend what quality of the relay and spec. A typical relay can on/off million of cycle.


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post Mar 31 2015, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(clickNsnap @ Mar 31 2015, 10:23 AM)
No sure it is parallel join....

Just received the confirmation from MHI distributor... the wiring should be as the photo.
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The manual wrote is separate terminal. But in your case, it is parallel join.

The controlling is, when you press the ON/OFF from the remote, the indoor unit will ON/OFF. At the same time will send a signal through the signal wire (3) to the outdoor unit. And the outdoor unit will ON/OFF. The live and neutral have supply all the time between 2unit either you ON/OFF.

It is not a problem. Wire are still the same.


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QUOTE(clickNsnap @ Mar 31 2015, 12:46 PM)
Thanks for the explanation. If it is parrallel, does it means only needs 4 wires?
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You still need 3core and 4core.
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post Mar 31 2015, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(clickNsnap @ Mar 31 2015, 10:20 PM)
Thanks, my contractor said 4 wires will do  hmm.gif He said the air-con on/off switch linked to the indoor unit (3 wires - L, N, E), the same 3 wires will linked to outdoor unit + 1 wire for signal link between inddor & outdoor units.
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I don't understand. The outdoor unit no need power? Just a signal wire?

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