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Zelmel
post Nov 29 2015, 10:07 AM

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If I live in condo and I have Panasonic tv with DVB T2 built in. Can I watch digital TV and use indoor antenna? I staying in seksyen 16. PJ
I bought TH43C410K. Thinking of testing DVB TV

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post Nov 30 2015, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(panafone @ Nov 27 2015, 05:11 PM)
OMG, the same thing happened to my Samsung plasma!  mad.gif
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What model and how old is your Samsung Plasma ?
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post Nov 30 2015, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(Alan Yee @ Nov 26 2015, 09:28 AM)
Touch wood, my Panasonic Plasma also has vertical line before.
Ask for changing the TV because TV still under warranty. (That time Panasonic offer 3 year warranty, and can purchase for 2 more year warranty)

It took me month to phone them and urge them to replace my TV, and they finally change it after 1 month.
Now the replaced TV is working without any issue.
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That's why these manufacturer offers extended warranty ..because they know QC problem and new TV can fail of defect after slightly over 1 year. The repairer inform even new stock got lots of defects items and have to return to manufacturer..
Alan Yee
post Nov 30 2015, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(fourzee @ Nov 30 2015, 11:10 AM)
That's why these manufacturer offers extended warranty ..because they know QC problem and new TV can fail of defect after slightly over 1 year. The repairer inform even new stock got lots of defects items and have to return to manufacturer..
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Now all TV should be just 1 or 2 year warranty.
Due to cost margin, they keep all manufacturing process in low cost, skipping the QC, using cheaper part.

Every electronic product has quality issue, even the pricier product can breakdown easily too.
Some recommend to pay around RM100 for extra years warranty, one to one replacement or repair without any cost.

It won't settle the quality issue, but at least is covered.
Alan Yee
post Dec 1 2015, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(Zelmel @ Nov 29 2015, 10:07 AM)
If I live in condo and I have Panasonic tv with DVB T2 built in. Can I watch digital TV and use indoor antenna? I staying in seksyen 16. PJ
I bought TH43C410K. Thinking of testing DVB TV
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This one on promotion with RM999 only at Senheng or SenQ.
I don't think you able to watch digital TV, because no actual service provider in Malaysia.
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post Dec 1 2015, 08:51 PM

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RM999 wow that is cheap. I bought RM1399.
Btw already bought a simple antenna. Thanks for the info.
I tot RTM is testing digital TV in some part of Malaysia including Klang.
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post Dec 1 2015, 09:22 PM

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Finally, today I bring my own Bluray Disc to the electrical store to test the Samsung 4K TV, and quantum dot Samsung SUHD 4K TV. There is a cheap 48" Full HD TV beside. The 4K TV is of 65", 60", and 55".

After comparing those high end and non high end TV, here's my thought:

1. 4K up-scaling is just a gimmick.
- The level of detail just look the same among the high end and non high end 4K TV, and also look the same on the 1080p TV.
- When load in the same material, they all look the same.

2. Motion Interpolation / 120Hz / 240Hz just look bad, even the Samsung SUHD 4K TV has mediocre processing.
- I don't turn on this feature on all of my TV that I buy, but these high end TV look worse than my 5 year old Plasma TV with motion interpolation turn on.
- Artifact is seen every where.
- I turn off all the motion interpolation on those TV hanging on the wall, then comes the next problem. (motion blur)

3. Everything that feel bad on LED LCD TV
- I have a relatively cheap 40" LED LCD TV, which I complain on the bad motion blur, bad picture noise handling, and poor viewing angle, these high end TV just look the same. I particularly picky on the motion blur caused by LCD, and all LCD TV at the wall exhibit the same behavior. I thought as those are movie blurring or motion judder, so I set the Bluray Player to output in 24p mode, the motion blur is still there. Judder and blur are so much pronounce on 4K TV.

Conclusion, plasma TV is still the best TV around.
Every LCD TV just look almost the same, no matter how they claim how high end they are.
This is verified when all are input with the same Bluray source.





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post Dec 1 2015, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(Alan Yee @ Dec 1 2015, 09:22 PM)
Finally, today I bring my own Bluray Disc to the electrical store to test the Samsung 4K TV, and quantum dot Samsung SUHD 4K TV. There is a cheap 48" Full HD TV beside. The 4K TV is of 65", 60", and 55".

After comparing those high end and non high end TV, here's my thought:

1. 4K up-scaling is just a gimmick.
- The level of detail just look the same among the high end and non high end 4K TV, and also look the same on the 1080p TV.
- When load in the same material, they all look the same.

2. Motion Interpolation / 120Hz / 240Hz just look bad, even the Samsung SUHD 4K TV has mediocre processing.
- I don't turn on this feature on all of my TV that I buy, but these high end TV look worse than my 5 year old Plasma TV with motion interpolation turn on.
- Artifact is seen every where.
- I turn off all the motion interpolation on those TV hanging on the wall, then comes the next problem. (motion blur)

3. Everything that feel bad on LED LCD TV
- I have a relatively cheap 40" LED LCD TV, which I complain on the bad motion blur, bad picture noise handling, and poor viewing angle, these high end TV just look the same. I particularly picky on the motion blur caused by LCD, and all LCD TV at the wall exhibit the same behavior. I thought as those are movie blurring or motion judder, so I set the Bluray Player to output in 24p mode, the motion blur is still there. Judder and blur are so much pronounce on 4K TV.

Conclusion, plasma TV is still the best TV around.
Every LCD TV just look almost the same, no matter how they claim how high end they are.
This is verified when all are input with the same Bluray source.
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lcd need 60hz conversion badly. playstation processor can solve it.

so far im still stay with st50 plasma
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post Dec 1 2015, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Dec 1 2015, 10:32 PM)
lcd need 60hz conversion badly. playstation processor can solve it.

so far im still stay with st50 plasma
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It depend on the source, when the source is native 60i (30p) or 60p, the blur effect is reduced.
When watching film based content, like all the Bluray Disc, which output native 24p, or so called conversion to 60p (3:2) pull down by the player itself, the blur is not reduced much.

For normal viewing, people may get used to that kind of blur, but when compared to plasma TV, simply these become a nightmare.
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post Dec 1 2015, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Dec 1 2015, 10:32 PM)
lcd need 60hz conversion badly. playstation processor can solve it.

so far im still stay with st50 plasma
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When you in Plasma (especially model like ST50 or F8500 or even Kuro)...you will not bother to look at 4K, Curve, OLED regardless how great is the black colour...Plasma colour just stay very natural smile.gif
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up an entry hdmi cable from qed. hd become better with ifc. small objects get attention now.

but low res turn worse, blur x3
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post Dec 3 2015, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(Alan Yee @ Dec 1 2015, 09:22 PM)
Finally, today I bring my own Bluray Disc to the electrical store to test the Samsung 4K TV, and quantum dot Samsung SUHD 4K TV. There is a cheap 48" Full HD TV beside. The 4K TV is of 65", 60", and 55".

After comparing those high end and non high end TV, here's my thought:

1. 4K up-scaling is just a gimmick.
- The level of detail just look the same among the high end and non high end 4K TV, and also look the same on the 1080p TV.
- When load in the same material, they all look the same.

2. Motion Interpolation / 120Hz / 240Hz just look bad, even the Samsung SUHD 4K TV has mediocre processing.
- I don't turn on this feature on all of my TV that I buy, but these high end TV look worse than my 5 year old Plasma TV with motion interpolation turn on.
- Artifact is seen every where.
- I turn off all the motion interpolation on those TV hanging on the wall, then comes the next problem. (motion blur)

3. Everything that feel bad on LED LCD TV
- I have a relatively cheap 40" LED LCD TV, which I complain on the bad motion blur, bad picture noise handling, and poor viewing angle, these high end TV just look the same. I particularly picky on the motion blur caused by LCD, and all LCD TV at the wall exhibit the same behavior. I thought as those are movie blurring or motion judder, so I set the Bluray Player to output in 24p mode, the motion blur is still there. Judder and blur are so much pronounce on 4K TV.

Conclusion, plasma TV is still the best TV around.
Every LCD TV just look almost the same, no matter how they claim how high end they are.
This is verified when all are input with the same Bluray source.
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Try your disc on the Oled tvs, you'll get better results. Character of Oled is similar to plasma with improvements on contrast, it's how plasmas meant to evolve.

The only led tv that is quite close to Oled or plasma are the new Sharp 4k tvs. Somehow they manage to make it similar to plasma character. In fact the colours without any calibration look better on the Sharp.

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Finally i get a better picture by reverse the cable direction, picture become brighter, so i change the gamma to 2.6 it did not clip any grey shade.
No changes on sharpness, just motion and contrast for now. Will let it run for a while

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post Dec 3 2015, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Dec 3 2015, 08:54 AM)
Try your disc on the Oled tvs, you'll get better results. Character of Oled is similar to plasma with improvements on contrast,  it's how plasmas meant to evolve.

The only led tv that is quite close to Oled or plasma are the new Sharp 4k tvs. Somehow they manage to make it similar to plasma character. In fact the colours without any calibration look better on the Sharp.
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Well, it is not just the contrast that matter, but motion too.
OLED TV may drop to the price similar to 4K LCD TV, that something people can afford, and slowly replacing LCD market.
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QUOTE(Alan Yee @ Dec 1 2015, 09:22 PM)
Finally, today I bring my own Bluray Disc to the electrical store to test the Samsung 4K TV, and quantum dot Samsung SUHD 4K TV. There is a cheap 48" Full HD TV beside. The 4K TV is of 65", 60", and 55".

After comparing those high end and non high end TV, here's my thought:

1. 4K up-scaling is just a gimmick.
- The level of detail just look the same among the high end and non high end 4K TV, and also look the same on the 1080p TV.
- When load in the same material, they all look the same.

2. Motion Interpolation / 120Hz / 240Hz just look bad, even the Samsung SUHD 4K TV has mediocre processing.
- I don't turn on this feature on all of my TV that I buy, but these high end TV look worse than my 5 year old Plasma TV with motion interpolation turn on.
- Artifact is seen every where.
- I turn off all the motion interpolation on those TV hanging on the wall, then comes the next problem. (motion blur)

3. Everything that feel bad on LED LCD TV
- I have a relatively cheap 40" LED LCD TV, which I complain on the bad motion blur, bad picture noise handling, and poor viewing angle, these high end TV just look the same. I particularly picky on the motion blur caused by LCD, and all LCD TV at the wall exhibit the same behavior. I thought as those are movie blurring or motion judder, so I set the Bluray Player to output in 24p mode, the motion blur is still there. Judder and blur are so much pronounce on 4K TV.

Conclusion, plasma TV is still the best TV around.
Every LCD TV just look almost the same, no matter how they claim how high end they are.
This is verified when all are input with the same Bluray source.
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this is something i worried alot....i worry my pana plasma died someday but nothing can replace it with such image quality.....i heard either pana own 4k LED or LG OLED can reach plasma level....i hope the plasma dont die so soon..
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QUOTE(neo_lam @ Dec 3 2015, 05:25 PM)
this is something i worried alot....i worry my pana plasma died someday but nothing can replace it with such image quality.....i heard either pana own 4k LED or LG OLED can reach plasma level....i hope the plasma dont die so soon..
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As plasma user we always pray hard...Harvey offer 5 Years warranty and replacement if beyond repair....will it be based on your original purchase price, screen size or feature ?
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QUOTE(g88 @ Dec 3 2015, 05:45 PM)
As plasma user we always pray hard...Harvey offer 5 Years warranty and replacement if beyond repair....will it be based on your original purchase price, screen size or feature ?
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wow not bad Harvey....i bought from panashop in SS15....i also forgot what warranty they give me.....very difficult for me to find it....i think now should be all out of stock....
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QUOTE(neo_lam @ Dec 3 2015, 05:25 PM)
this is something i worried alot....i worry my pana plasma died someday but nothing can replace it with such image quality.....i heard either pana own 4k LED or LG OLED can reach plasma level....i hope the plasma dont die so soon..
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QUOTE(g88 @ Dec 3 2015, 05:45 PM)
As plasma user we always pray hard...Harvey offer 5 Years warranty and replacement if beyond repair....will it be based on your original purchase price, screen size or feature ?
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QUOTE(neo_lam @ Dec 3 2015, 05:56 PM)
wow not bad Harvey....i bought from panashop in SS15....i also forgot what warranty they give me.....very difficult for me to find it....i think now should be all out of stock....
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Every brand LED LCD behave almost the same. They may able to improve the contrast with Local Dimming LED, but still fall short on motion blur handling. Their only approach is engaging the motion interpolation to eliminate the blur, but this make the picture so unnatural. It is still ok to watch movie with less action, but you will see the different when watching heavy action movie.

And for the warranty of 5 year, if they can't repair it, they will force you to get an LCD TV as their replacement model, because no more new Plasma TV, no new model in the market.

So, really only can pray our TV don't died some day.

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QUOTE(Alan Yee @ Dec 3 2015, 03:02 PM)
Well, it is not just the contrast that matter, but motion too.
OLED TV may drop to the price similar to 4K LCD TV, that something people can afford, and slowly replacing LCD market.
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Plasma is the grandfather of Oled, certain aspects it is on par but Oled has surpassed Plasma on key areas of contrast, faster response rate and both also do not have motion blur.

Further reading for comparison between plasma and Oled :-
http://oled.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/oled-tv-a...-plasma-tv.html

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