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topearn
post Dec 30 2017, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(2387581 @ Dec 29 2017, 10:43 PM)
Architects, at least in Malaysia, is responsible for the building which the plans he put signature on it. No matter how similar it is there are things you will need to adjust, review, recalculate. The plans which you submitted and approved by one local authority may not be approved by another authority. Similarly, with the ever-changing and updating acts and by-laws, the plans which you submitted 2 years ago may not be qualified for approval under current regulations.

The plans submitted for approval will typically be just enough to comply with all the legal requirements. So the information inside is very limited. The architect will then need to prepare a set of detailed construction/tender drawing to allow the quantities of building materials and cost of construction. He will specify each components of building materials in the construction drawing. Then an architect, or assisted by a quantity surveyor, will prepare the bill of quantities. The architect will need to study and understand each and every piece of building materials, how they function, look, feel, cost, whether they are certified by the CIDB/ISO/SIRIM/Bomba etc, as well as any new technologies applicable to make construction possible or faster.

When the bill of quantities is ready, the potential contractor will tender for the projects. Cost is important but not all, so the architect will have to evaluate which contractor is the best fit for the job, ensuring the contractor has good reputation, mobility, cash flow, etc to sustain the project over the contract period. So most of the time the job will not be awarded to the lowest bidder, because the architect understand the market to know that "the bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten", the architect will avoid this kind of shoddy contractors.

Once the project is awarded, the architect, usually with the assist of a QS, will prepare the documents required for contract binding, and although the building contract is between the owner and contractor, the architect plays an important role in the contract. The architect is the qualified person to administer the contract, issuing instruction, inspect the site and construction progress, ensuring the contractors is not cutting corners and building not according to the plans. The architect will based on the valuation of construction work done, issue to the owner a certificate of payment, telling the owner to pay such amount due to the contractor on a monthly basis. Inevitably, there are details which may not been fully resolved, so intermittently the architect will supply the contractor with additional information if and when required. And the contractor, for them to earn a even higher profit, will always counter-propose alternative building materials or methods, the architect has to go over each and every one and decides whether to approve or reject, subject to owner's decision. Also, owner being owner, they have the mindset of being the paymaster, it is very likely that they will have a change of mind anytime during the construction period. Maybe suddenly he wants to add another couple of rooms, maybe he wants to change the brick wall to glass wall. Capturing these information and properly documenting them is a time-consuming process.

When construction is finally done, the architect will inspect the building to identify any defects or deficiencies in workmanship, and instructing the contractor to rectify as such. When the architect is satisfied that the building has been constructed according to to approved plan, and safe and fit for its intended purposes, the architect will issue a certificate of completion and compliance (CCC) to the owner, with copies sent to the local authority and Lembaga Arkitek Malaysia. This certificate is basically a lifetime guarantee of the safety of the building. The architect will be liable and can be sued, if down the road, the building is defective as a result of design deficiencies (for example, he specified/approved a building material which does not prevent water leakage from the window; or another example, the metal staircase railing caught your young child's head and caused bodily injury; etc etc).

The scope of work for an architect is the longest and broadest in the construction industry. Your architect is there from the very beginning until the very end; it is not just put signature and stamp.
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The architect U describe is for those who work for a housing project, but should not apply for renovation of a DSL house which the contractor ask for a RM100K quote, e.g. to extend the kitchen and back room and widen the porch so can park 2 cars side by side, right ? I don't think the architect will come supervise the type of materials the contract uses, right ? These reno contractors will ask for 30% payment when they start work, and 50% payment when masonary work is completed, then another 15% B4 fan n light installation, and the final 5% on completion of the reno. Dielah is need to get the architect to come make regular visits if the contractor wants to get his installments of say 10%, 20%, 20%, 20%, etc. U think the contractor and the architect got so much time to waste meeting to decide when is the next progressive payments ?

I think for a small RM100K reno work, it's daylight robbery if the architect demand a 10% fee or RM10K just to put his signature of some templete plans since I'm sure he will not go check on the contractor to instruct him what materials he has to use, mix sand and cement on the right ratio, how thick the iron rod need to use, etc, etc right ? The contractor has full control of the reno work and not have to take instructions from the architect, right ?

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post Dec 30 2017, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(2387581 @ Dec 30 2017, 01:52 PM)
At the outset the discussion was about building a new house, now suddenly it become renovation. A sensible architect will not leave everything up to the contractor, because you see, the architect is the one person who will be responsible on the buildings which the plans he put signature on. If for some reason, the contractor decided to change the foundation to tin kosong, or use inferior rebars, which eventually caused the building to collapse and hurt the occupants, apart from the fact that the contractor is liable, the architect (or engineer) is also liable for failure to supervise the project which he submitted. The liability I'm saying here is suspension or revoke of license (or practicing certificate), hefty fine or serious cases may involve jail time.

Daylight robbery or not is subject to agreement. If you think an architect is expensive then there is no deal. Simple as that. If you can find RM200 architects then there's no problem with me. I doubt any architect is willing to charge such low fee when charging low fee is actually an offense under the Architects Act 1967 and Architects (Scale of Minimum Fees) Rules 2010, where the penalty outweighs the low fee.

Now many contractors offer design and build, including contractors who do renovation and includes submission of plan for approval. Whether you like it or not, you will still need an architect's services in plan submission and issuing certificates. However, because the contractor quoted the owner a lump sum which includes the architect's fee, most owners do not see how much the professional fee is. Chances are that the contractors payment encompassing everything is so inflated that it is more expensive than engaging an architect and contractor separately, because the architect is working for the interest of contractor more than the owner's interest in this case. Most of the time you see the contractors are richer than the architect, so you can go figure who is actually doing daylight robbery.

On payment parts, it is entirely up to the owner and contractor whether they want to use a building contract, or only verbal agreement which is easily subject to dispute. That is also why you see so many upset homeowners complaining about shoddy contractors in the reno & ID forum. If the owner choose not to use a building contract, and prefers to deal with contractor directly, then yes, the architect is not responsible as a stakeholder in payment disputes. However, he is still legally obliged to ensure the construction works is done according to the approved plans.

On the other hand, since you suddenly drift into the renovation like kitchen extension or widen porch, most local authority in KV has a template plan (not for DBKL). These template plan do not require architect input or endorsement. You can just go to the building department of the respective Majlis and ask for it, pay a fee, and get your permit along with payment for a roro bin, then you can start work. Every other plans which require the architect's input, is bespoke works.
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Sorry for jumping from building house to renovation; actually I'm helping a friend with her house renovation but she wants to extend not just kitchen but also the guest room and master bedroom, so she has engaged a architect to draw up the plans. So once the plans are drawn, she just need to find a contractor to do the reno ? will the architect come regularly to check on the contractor to make sure he is foillowing the plans ? If not, once the reno is completed, will the architect come check ? Will he has to issue a cert to say the reno is done according to the plan ?

Sorry, back to building a house again. I'm interested to know if there are also templete plans for a complete bsngalow lot ? If yes, then no need to engage a architect and then can save a ton of cash, right ?

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post Dec 31 2017, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(2387581 @ Dec 30 2017, 11:46 PM)
If you have engaged an architect, for sure he will have a letter of acceptance outlining his scope, fees, payment, etc. Check if the agreement includes regular site visits or not. You can choose to use the architect's services for project management and regular inspection, or you want to supervise yourself if you are capable of doing so. Even if the architect is not engaged to do this, he should have a final inspection after work is done before CCC is issued.

Talk to the architect and make sure the services including up to the issuance of CCC. Because issuance of CCC means the architect certify that the building has been done according to the plans. The CCC has to come with 21 forms known as Form G1-G21, and depending on the scope of construction, some may apply some may not. Some of the forms require the contractor to sign, so ensure you engage a contractor with CIDB license. Ask them to furnish you a copy of their license before engaging them.

If you look at the internet, there are people selling some template plans. You may even no need to buy because there are books, magazine, websites etc where architects publish their works, including photographs and plans. But whether or not the design suits to your own needs is another story. Note that the services provided by the architect is not merely design. So the value substance of an architect's service is much more than drawing plans. If you are not prepared to afford the services of an architect to design your house for you, it is more cost efficient to just buy a ready-made house to suit your taste. Trust me, it is much less hassle than having to manage a team of consultant and contractor.

Let me use an analogy of a suit. You can shop in any departmental store or clothing shops for your suit - they are still designed by someone, made using a fixed template, but even the best ready-made clothing from big brands like Hugo Boss or Armani may look perfect on a model or mannequin, but they may not fit the buyer best. A local tailor may made the suit to your size ensuring best fit.
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Thanks for all the useful info rendered. If I were to supervise the reno myself, how am I supposed to check that the contractor follow the specs ? The reno involves extending the kitchen, guest room and toilet which are all on the back portion of the house. Also extend the master bedroom by about 100 sq feet. And widen the porch for 2 cars to park side by side. Since I'm just a layman, the contractor will not listen to what I tell if if I suspect he deviated from the plan. How am I supposed to know if the cement and sand mix is in the right proportion ? How would I know if the pillars to support the porch is strong enough ? Do I have to bring a tape measure to make sure the measurements is according to the plan ? The architect plans are just drawings, or they also include other stuff as well, like cement mix ratio, how thick the iron rods to be inbedded into the concrete, etc, etc ? And if I do not make regular site visits, who is there to warn me that I'm supposed to make site visits ?

When I go see houses under reno mode, I have never seen a architect come make site visits, so I guess most house owners engage architects which do not include project management.

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post Dec 31 2017, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(2387581 @ Dec 31 2017, 06:01 PM)
Truth is, most people who do renovation doesn't actually need the service of an architect, unless it is a major one or complete remodel which require the design expertise of an architect. The only reason they have an architect in the picture is because the law authority says so. So if you do not know how to supervise project, it is wise to find someone who does. The architect's drawing typically does not include these information, and most architect wouldn't know because these are expertise of the engineer. Spend some time and read the Reno/ID forum and you can learn a lot, and it may be obvious, but reading the product manuals reveals a lot of things. Google is also at your disposal. Usually reno is only inspection by eye and by touch, and you should be arranging with the contractor. You can be visiting any time because it is your right.
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By Reno/ID forum, U mean the lowyat forum here - https://forum.lowyat.net/HomeRenovationsandInteriorDesign ?

Yes, I've been reading it but don't find any info on how to supervise a reno. A reno project only involves architect and contractors - engineer does not come into the picture; the contractor should be the expert by working experience. What should I inspect if I pay a visit to the site ? Make sure he use the correct mix of concrete - sand, gravel and cement - but I suppose most contractors will differ a bit on the mix. As long as the contractor follows the plans e.g. for master bedroom extension, the plan will specify how thick the floor need to be, so just make sure he have the same thickness, then everything should be ok. Make sure the pillars are 100% vertical.

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post Jan 3 2018, 09:23 AM

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I have a bangalow lot in Alor Gajah of size 105ft x 105 feet. If I want to build a weekend house, what is the cheapest way ?

Say I want 5 rooms and 4 baths - master bedroom with attached bath, the other 4 rooms share bath (2 rooms share a bath), and another bath standalone for anyone to use. Also a store room and dinning and living halls. Is it cheaper to build single storey or double-storey ?
Single cheaper cost the pillars of the house can be smaller cos do not have to support the 1st floor, no need to build 1st floor concrete base, wiring and internal water piping less. But double storey cheaper cos need smaller roof.
So is it single storey cheaper to build ?

And can I buy ready template of houses so do not have to pay the architect so much to design the house ? But he will still need to signoff the CCC - how how will the architect charge just to get signoff the CCC, in the case that I can get template free from some websites ?

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post Feb 12 2018, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(7company @ Feb 11 2018, 05:06 PM)
fellas can I ask how much is it to hack,remove and dispose a 17ft old kitchen concrete top?
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post May 8 2018, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(iwubpreve @ May 6 2018, 08:40 AM)
anyway to get pre-mix concrete? meaning buy a bag of cement, sand, stone mix?
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Y R U asking this ? I thought U R the construction expert ? U started this thread telling others to ask U anything about the construction industry.
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post May 10 2018, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(henrytlh @ May 9 2018, 03:02 PM)
c'mon construction itself is a field too big to master in, TS have some queries to ask regarding premix concrete and coincidentally there's a concrete expert here in the forum. Nothing wrong to it as long as we're learning from each other. thumbup.gif
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Understood, dude, thanks !

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post Jul 4 2018, 10:35 PM

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For renovation to extend back portion of house right to the end for both upstairs n downstairs under MPSJ, do they have ready plans that I can use ?
If not, can I just approach any MPSJ draftman's to get him to draft the reno plan ? Can I then submit the plan myself to MPSJ for approval to save some cost ? After reno done, wil lthis draftman need to go to the house to check that reno is done as per his draft plan so he can sign off the reno ?

 

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