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TSiwubpreve
post Oct 21 2014, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(call me random @ Oct 21 2014, 08:15 AM)
usually its on top of one another, no interlapping wan.. dunno what to save also lol
my core also not engineering i guess.. i do whats need to get done only biggrin.gif
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I believe if possible they will connect to the stump. unless the pile cap is too high and hence if they still want that desired ground floor level, they might as well remove the stump and sit directly on the pile cap. after all, the load still transfer to pile cap.

I encounter this design at hill side project in mon't kiara. mon't kiara is a hill hence the name bukit kiara.
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post Oct 21 2014, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Oct 21 2014, 01:35 AM)
Just wondering...

(1) Is the Contractor liable for design produced by a nominated sub-contractor?

(2) If the Architect’s design is faulty, but the Contractor builds it badly, who is liable?

(3) Say a contractor, working under a PAM'98 contract, knows broadly what is required, but does not have drawings or specification which shows precisely what is required. So, the contractor thinks it knows what to do and carries on with the work to its own detail. Subsequently, the detail fails with serious consequences. For example, it might be a badly constructed roof detail, an inadequate stanchion base or perhaps wrongly positioned heating pipes. Is the Contractor liable for something done on its own initiative?
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EVERYTHING BECOME CONTRACTOR`S FAULT......

as usual....

just share my experience in supplying projects...

one job has five consulant

C&S
M&E
environment
safety
medical consultant(for hospital)

when consultant M&E say I need this steel to be erected here to has stiff suport

then next day consultant C&S say cannot as it may increase its weight per area

soon safety consultant say can, but need to shift it...

in the end, all cost boils down to contractor


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post Oct 21 2014, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(Agent 45 @ Oct 20 2014, 09:03 PM)
1. what is lacing/lacer bar in beam?

2. what is the function of bonding ties? is it steel bar that stick out from column and stiffener? usually how many layers will need one bonding tie?
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1. actually I no idea the exactly function of lacer bar in beam. usually it used to hold the "cage" prior concrete casting. ensure the beam "cage" is in correct shape and position prior concrete casting.

2. bonding tie is also use to hold the rebar. in case when casting concrete it give way go to left or right. it need bonding tie till full length base on the spacing mentioned in the drawing. however if u mention those exposed starter bar that reserve for future then it's just few layers.

u mean S1 in the picture below right?


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post Oct 21 2014, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(spacelion @ Oct 21 2014, 12:11 AM)
just want to point out that mmc gamuda engineers do not do paperwork. They REVIEW paperwork submitted by WPC (works package contractor).

For some package the engineer is very slack while for some package the engineer is quite rigid, so it differs, some things that cannot pass for my package will pass for other package and vice versa.

Anyway it's up to the ICE (independent consulting engineer) and the MRTC observer to comment bcos even the MGJV ppl want to push the paperwork through.

And all these thing in the end come up to taichi here and there, make sure that we hit all the QRM target and looks good during the meeting is good enuf.
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for MRT project, MMC-Gamuda construct all the underground station. for elevated track and elevated station, MMC-Gamuda doing management. they manage those contractor that take different packages of all the elevated track and station. those contractor is gadang, suncon, ijm and etc. from thereon, gadang, suncon, ijm actually not doing physical work, they manage their subcon to deliver the work to them. and that's how construction work can used to stimulate economy. biggrin.gif
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post Oct 21 2014, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Oct 21 2014, 12:35 AM)
Just wondering...

(1) Is the Contractor liable for design produced by a nominated sub-contractor?

(2) If the Architect’s design is faulty, but the Contractor builds it badly, who is liable?

(3) Say a contractor, working under a PAM'98 contract, knows broadly what is required, but does not have drawings or specification which shows precisely what is required. So, the contractor thinks it knows what to do and carries on with the work to its own detail. Subsequently, the detail fails with serious consequences. For example, it might be a badly constructed roof detail, an inadequate stanchion base or perhaps wrongly positioned heating pipes. Is the Contractor liable for something done on its own initiative?
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good question biggrin.gif

(1)
there are 2 type of subcontractor namely domestic subcontractor and nominated subcontractor. main contractor have direct contractual relationship with them so if any of them in default, main contractor will have to be liable because after all they are main contractor's baby. the differences is that when nominated subcontractor in default, main contractor can claim those damages against employer if nominated subcontractor not capable of remedy the damages. the reason is because there is a collateral warranty between employer and nominated subcontractor and hence privity of contract established simply because of employer selecting the nominated subcontractor.

but for domestic subcontractor side, main contractor cannot indemnify against employer for all the fault due to the DSC as appointing of DSC is nothing to do v employer.

(2)
Architect. provided u can prove that his design is not workable. there is 1 term called Frustration in contractual term. refer wiki link abt what is frustration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frustration_of_purpose
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In the law of contracts, frustration of purpose is a defense to enforcement of the contract. Frustration of purpose occurs when an unforeseen event undermines a party's principal purpose for entering into a contract, and both parties knew of this principal purpose at the time the contract was made. Despite frequently arising as a result of government action, any third party (or even nature) can frustrate a contracting party's primary purpose for entering into the contract. This concept is also called commercial frustration.


example of frustration is let's say suddenly government announce that material "x" is banned, then it's a frustration that not due to contractor fault.

however if it was proven it's self-induced frustration, then it contractor own fault. this mean the frustration happen due to contractor incompetence. it's duty of contractor to raise up the issue during tender stage. when u accepted the condition during tender stage, u deems to accepting that it's workable.

(3)
yes. u know a term called "silence in golden", apply here so nicely biggrin.gif contractor have to request information from consultant when it have no detail. contractor shouldn't take risk propose own thing without seeking approval. after all, if consultant delay in giving information, detail, it is contractor right to claim for extension of time and hence u got loss and expenses due to prolongation.
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post Oct 21 2014, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(unequalteck @ Oct 21 2014, 08:01 AM)
What I mean is they rarely will go into technical part, review drawing find mistakes, send TQ to rush design team, force u to issue acp ifc. Just keep on rushing wpc and design team.

Yea I agree that their taichi are damn powderful
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u know that the contractual term of "tai chi" called burden of proof
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_burden_of_proof
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The burden of proof (Latin: onus probandi) is the imperative on a party in a trial to produce the evidence that will shift the conclusion away from the default position to one's own position.

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post Oct 21 2014, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Oct 21 2014, 09:26 AM)
EVERYTHING BECOME CONTRACTOR`S FAULT......

as usual....

just share my experience in supplying projects...

one job has five consulant

C&S
M&E
environment
safety
medical consultant(for hospital)

when consultant M&E say I need this steel to be erected here to has stiff suport

then next day consultant C&S say cannot as it may increase its weight per area

soon safety consultant say can, but need to shift it...

in the end, all cost boils down to contractor
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better get the contractor to get approval on material. if the purchase made after approval, then can use that to claim for abortive material cost.

but of course u know, if the cost ain't big, contractor also don't wanna calculative so much. why wanna offend someone that give u job? maybe they will give u even more job in future if u please them? but at the same time they also ask supplier to absorb. if supplier calculate so much also, main contractor won't buy material from u in future also. so it's ur call tongue.gif

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post Oct 21 2014, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(iwubpreve @ Oct 21 2014, 09:25 AM)
I believe if possible they will connect to the stump. unless the pile cap is too high and hence if they still want that desired ground floor level, they might as well remove the stump and sit directly on the pile cap. after all, the load still transfer to pile cap.

I encounter this design at hill side project in mon't kiara. mon't kiara is a hill hence the name bukit kiara.
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stump is only necessary if there underground services je, dowan kena pilecap because size of stump is smaller than that of pilecaps.

but u see hor, if slab also put inside the pilecap, it seems like the effective pilecaps also reduced might as well reduce the overall depth of the pilecaps. can save rebar formwork n concrete..
oh well.. i dunno also i no see calculations just speaking fr a laymen point of view only..
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post Oct 21 2014, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(call me random @ Oct 21 2014, 11:13 AM)
stump is only necessary if there underground services je, dowan kena pilecap because size of stump is smaller than that of pilecaps.

but u see hor, if slab also put inside the pilecap, it seems like the effective pilecaps also reduced might as well reduce the overall depth of the pilecaps. can save rebar formwork n concrete..
oh well.. i dunno also i no see calculations just speaking fr a laymen point of view only..
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oic, u concern of quantity of material. but then I believe they did that concern on the magnitude of force more than material. not substantial amount of material are there also, plus this happen on ground level and not all typical level, so cost won't be much.
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QUOTE(iwubpreve @ Oct 21 2014, 11:56 AM)
oic, u concern of quantity of material. but then I believe they did that concern on the magnitude of force more than material. not substantial amount of material are there also, plus this happen on ground level and not all typical level, so cost won't be much.
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yalor dowan 1 small mistake risk hundreds of pipu life on top sweat.gif
tis one hi rise wor... foundation must take care vr carefully i suppose
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QUOTE(iwubpreve @ Oct 21 2014, 11:23 AM)
better get the contractor to get approval on material. if the purchase made after approval, then can use that to claim for abortive material cost.

but of course u know, if the cost ain't big, contractor also don't wanna calculative so much. why wanna offend someone that give u job? maybe they will give u even more job in future if u please them? but at the same time they also ask supplier to absorb. if supplier calculate so much also, main contractor won't buy material from u in future also. so it's ur call tongue.gif
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HAHA... MANA ADA SUPPLIER that would absorb the cost...

another thing faced...

insufficient detail in BQ...

ask engineer... ikutla mane mane... or this and that

then supplied, and chief engineerdont want
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post Oct 21 2014, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Oct 21 2014, 12:44 PM)
HAHA... MANA ADA SUPPLIER that would absorb the cost...

another thing faced...

insufficient detail in BQ...

ask engineer... ikutla mane mane... or this and that

then supplied, and chief engineerdont want
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because BQ need to read in conjunction with drawing, specification and design intent. if info is unclear need to study together with drawing. if the contract is lump sump basis then the BQ is actually just for reference.
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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Oct 21 2014, 12:44 PM)
insufficient detail in BQ...

ask engineer... ikutla mane mane... or this and that

then supplied, and chief engineer don't want
QUOTE(iwubpreve @ Oct 21 2014, 01:33 PM)
because BQ need to read in conjunction with drawing, specification and design intent. if info is unclear need to study together with drawing. if the contract is lump sump basis then the BQ is actually just for reference.
Wrong information, impracticable designs, or unclear specifications. Yup, these problems are faced by many suppliers as well as the procurement officers. Some purchase requests made by the incompetent/young Engineers with incomplete specifications on the BQ, are simply insufficient detail for the purchaser to source the right item or the supplier to provide an accurate quote.

Some Project Managers who authorize the purchase requests also do not check the required specification carefully. For example, young engineers often don't attention to the I-beams that are available in a variety of standard sizes and thickness. The same for piping standards ASTM API BS JIS DIN. When the material is delayed, they will play the blame game. sweat.gif

Besides, the person who performs the material take-offs does not communicate with the Engineers. Engineer obtains the BQ from them and directly fax the raw BQ (with Company chop) to the Suppliers. doh.gif

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post Oct 21 2014, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(5p3ak @ Oct 19 2014, 08:46 PM)
Your thoughts on Prefab housing?
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forgot to reply this. yes, I like prefab. the correct term is called IBS aka Industrialized Building System.

following is just my opinion. I actually like IBS. however it seems very difficult to practice here due to the high expenses of doing pre-fabrication. huge equipment expenses require. pre-fabrication require higher cost of construction cost and hence until now not much company wanna adopt it. perhaps the recent capital allowance to increase automation in labour intensive in budget 2015 will encourage the purchase and usage of equipment and more IBS? just my thought. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(iwubpreve @ Oct 21 2014, 05:06 PM)
forgot to reply this. yes, I like prefab. the correct term is called IBS aka Industrialized Building System.

following is just my opinion. I actually like IBS. however it seems very difficult to practice here due to the high expenses of doing pre-fabrication. huge equipment expenses require. pre-fabrication require higher cost of construction cost and hence until now not much company wanna adopt it. perhaps the recent capital allowance to increase automation in labour intensive in budget 2015 will encourage the purchase and usage of equipment and more IBS? just my thought. biggrin.gif
The time to erect a Prefab building is fast. I've seen how they erected McDonald's at Kulim Landmark Central in 2012. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Oct 21 2014, 06:21 PM)
The time to erect a Prefab building is fast. I've seen how they erected McDonald's at Kulim Landmark Central in 2012. laugh.gif
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I have supplied some material to sites which they use polystyrene composite box as well

http://www.iris.com.my/KOTO_IBS/main.html
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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Oct 21 2014, 05:49 PM)
Wrong information, impracticable designs, or unclear specifications. Yup, these problems are faced by many suppliers as well as the procurement officers. Some purchase requests made by the incompetent/young Engineers with incomplete specifications on the BQ, are simply insufficient detail for the purchaser to source the right item or the supplier to provide an accurate quote.

Some Project Managers who authorize the purchase requests also do not check the required specification carefully. For example, young engineers often don't attention to the I-beams that are available in a variety of standard sizes and thickness. The same for piping standards ASTM API BS JIS DIN. When the material is delayed, they will play the blame game. sweat.gif

Besides, the person who performs the material take-offs does not communicate with the Engineers. Engineer obtains the BQ from them and directly fax the raw BQ (with Company chop) to the Suppliers. doh.gif
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most BQ state like this

to use wall cladding (as manufacurer`s detail) or (engineer approval- which retrn to first)
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QUOTE(iwubpreve @ Oct 21 2014, 05:06 PM)
forgot to reply this. yes, I like prefab. the correct term is called IBS aka Industrialized Building System.

following is just my opinion. I actually like IBS. however it seems very difficult to practice here due to the high expenses of doing pre-fabrication. huge equipment expenses require. pre-fabrication require higher cost of construction cost and hence until now not much company wanna adopt it. perhaps the recent capital allowance to increase automation in labour intensive in budget 2015 will encourage the purchase and usage of equipment and more IBS? just my thought. biggrin.gif
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I see didn't know there are high expenses involved in IBS.

Another question, what are teh requirements to drive heavy equpiment? Like those mobile cranes...so pro I see those divers notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(iwubpreve @ Oct 21 2014, 09:36 AM)
1. actually I no idea the exactly function of lacer bar in beam. usually it used to hold the "cage" prior concrete casting. ensure the beam "cage" is in correct shape and position prior concrete casting.

2. bonding tie is also use to hold the rebar. in case when casting concrete it give way go to left or right. it need bonding tie till full length base on the spacing mentioned in the drawing. however if u mention those exposed starter bar that reserve for future then it's just few layers.

u mean S1 in the picture below right?
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i mean bonding ties in brickwall?? rclxub.gif

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