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post Oct 20 2014, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Oct 20 2014, 01:31 AM)
I've used their 411L fridge for almost 7 years and not even once have broken down. Still running to date as far as I know.

To my knowledge F&P is a good brand, from NZ but as to their gas hobs, sorry, never use gas hobs before.

I see that not many people are familiar with F&P brand in Malaysia but in Singapore, it's a recognizable brand. Why don't you drop the F&P Asia an email to enquire about the model you are interested. See what they say? Most of the time, there is a chance that they carry certain models that are not even in listed on their Asia site because sometimes some sites don't list the full range of products they carry.
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Thanks so much. I am familiar with the brand and I have used the gas hobs during my years in Australia. Happy with the quality. The models I looked at perfectly suits my requirement. I was so excited to find them after an exhaustive search for 60 cm gas hobs on glass. At the same time, I still have my plan B for Rinnai or Electrolux if I can't get hold of F & P. I have taken your suggestion and emailed them this morning. Hoping for a positive reply - everything crossed!

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post Oct 20 2014, 10:26 AM

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That's good. smile.gif

If not, you can contact F&P singapore direct. Some forumers here go to singapore to pick up electronics and home stuff that are cheaper than the ones in malaysia.

QUOTE(Career26 @ Oct 20 2014, 10:37 AM)
Thanks so much. I am familiar with the brand and I have used the gas hobs during my years in Australia. Happy with the quality. The models I looked at perfectly suits my requirement. I was so excited to find them after an exhaustive search for 60 cm gas hobs on glass. At the same time, I still have my plan B for Rinnai or Electrolux if I can't get hold of F & P. I have taken your suggestion and emailed them this morning. Hoping for a positive reply - everything crossed!
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post Oct 21 2014, 10:11 AM

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More update... Teka Malaysia replied me on the hood few minutes ago. Please click on the link to view the model and the only have this under the 60 cm category:
http://teka.com.my/my/products/view/13039-hoods-tl1_62 and they quoted the price as RM 750.

I have Rinnai, Electrolux and now Teka in my hood shortlist. What do you guys think in terms of price and features? Appreciate your input. Thanks.
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post Nov 5 2014, 05:28 PM

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60 cm rangehood : My worry about hood is solved. I am going for either Teka or Rinnai. I have had a look at Teka model at Harvey Norman last week. Price is RM 750.00 and after discount will be RM 639. I feel it's a good deal. I will be checking out Rinnai at their showroom this weekend.


60 cm gas hob on glass : I was excited to find that Fisher & Paykel had exactly what I wanted (Gas hob on glass and IT IS 60 CM!!) However, after enquiring I was told that this model is not available for Malaysian market. sweat.gif sweat.gif
I did find few other brands that have 60 cm hob but their replies were almost the same : Not available for Malaysian market .... Does that mean, nobody in Malaysia use 60 cm gas hob? I did find the vitoceramic ones available in 60 cm but highly priced and doesn't suit my budget. Following are the brands I have scouted for 60 cm gas hob on glass:

1. DeLonghi
2. Teka
3. Rinnai
4. Electrolux
5. Bosch
6. Smeg
7. Ariston
8. Tuscani
9. Fisher & Paykel

I am not sure if I am exhausted of options or if there are other brands that I have not looked at. Appreciate your input here. Most probably my KC installation will start in January 2015 and I would like to make sure that the important appliances are in place.

This post has been edited by Career26: Nov 5 2014, 05:29 PM
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post Nov 5 2014, 05:46 PM

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If not available for Malaysian market, what about Singapore market? If available for singapore market, can go take from singapore better?

I think my teka VTCM hob is also 60cm but got it for RM1650. Still okay because below 2k range.

QUOTE(Career26 @ Nov 5 2014, 06:28 PM)
UPDATES:
60 cm rangehood : My worry about hood is solved. I am going for either Teka or Rinnai. I have had a look at Teka model at Harvey Norman last week. Price is RM 750.00 and after discount will be RM 639. I feel it's a good deal. I will be checking out Rinnai at their showroom this weekend.
60 cm gas hob on glass : I was excited to find that Fisher & Paykel had exactly what I wanted (Gas hob on glass and IT IS 60 CM!!)  However, after enquiring I was told that this model is not available for Malaysian market.    sweat.gif  sweat.gif 
I did find few other brands that have 60 cm hob but their replies were almost the same : Not available for Malaysian market ....  Does that mean, nobody in Malaysia use 60 cm gas hob?  I did find the vitoceramic ones available in 60 cm but highly priced and doesn't suit my budget.  Following are the brands I have scouted for 60 cm gas hob on glass:

1. DeLonghi
2. Teka
3. Rinnai
4. Electrolux
5. Bosch
6. Smeg
7. Ariston
8. Tuscani
9. Fisher & Paykel

I am not sure if I am exhausted of options or if there are other brands that I have not looked at. Appreciate your input here. Most probably my KC installation will start in January 2015 and I would like to make sure that the important appliances are in place.
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post Nov 5 2014, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(Career26 @ Nov 5 2014, 05:28 PM)
UPDATES:
60 cm rangehood : My worry about hood is solved. I am going for either Teka or Rinnai. I have had a look at Teka model at Harvey Norman last week. Price is RM 750.00 and after discount will be RM 639. I feel it's a good deal. I will be checking out Rinnai at their showroom this weekend.
60 cm gas hob on glass : I was excited to find that Fisher & Paykel had exactly what I wanted (Gas hob on glass and IT IS 60 CM!!)  However, after enquiring I was told that this model is not available for Malaysian market.    sweat.gif  sweat.gif 
I did find few other brands that have 60 cm hob but their replies were almost the same : Not available for Malaysian market ....  Does that mean, nobody in Malaysia use 60 cm gas hob?  I did find the vitoceramic ones available in 60 cm but highly priced and doesn't suit my budget.  Following are the brands I have scouted for 60 cm gas hob on glass:

1. DeLonghi
2. Teka
3. Rinnai
4. Electrolux
5. Bosch
6. Smeg
7. Ariston
8. Tuscani
9. Fisher & Paykel

I am not sure if I am exhausted of options or if there are other brands that I have not looked at. Appreciate your input here. Most probably my KC installation will start in January 2015 and I would like to make sure that the important appliances are in place.
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Typically, goods aren't marketed towards a region because just not worth it for them to sell a particular line or model if it doesn't suit the market. Asian cooking needs are wholly different from Western, we may not prefer the glass look because it needs to look spotless, etc.

I don't doubt you can actually get the F&P gas on glass hob you want. It just means you'll have to find a supplier or dealer that can get it for you (for a price, of course) or maybe that you'll have to buy it yourself and have it shipped. Also, warranties might be voided or tricky to claim this way.

It'll probably be too much of a hassle. Since your deadline is coming up soon (time will fly), I suggest getting your next best option.
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post Nov 5 2014, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 5 2014, 05:46 PM)
If not available for Malaysian market, what about Singapore market? If available for singapore market, can go take from singapore better?

---> How I wish. See their reply below.

I think my teka VTCM hob is also 60cm but got it for RM1650. Still okay because below 2k range.
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--->I do not want to go for electric hob as it is not economical and if there is a temporary power cut (which is bound to happen in Malaysia every now and then), then I can't even boil a pot of water.


I contacted their exclusive distributor from 20th Oct, A. M. Marketing and they did not respond promptly. I ended up calling all the way to Thailand (that was the contact number given for Asia region) and still no proper response. Finally, I wrote to the HQ to which they responded like this:

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--->Very sorry that it has taken a number of emails and calls on your behalf to find an answer to your question.

I have just spoken to our rep in Singapore regarding the availably of these products in Malaysia and I am sorry the outcome was not what you were hoping for.

Ronnie has advised that these are natural gas appliances and not available for purchase in our Malaysia market, I did inquire as to whether this may change and if the appliance would be available in another form of gas, however he was not able to answer this question but did not believe they would be.

Again apologies that it has taken this long for you to have an answer, and very sorry it is not the answer you had been hoping for.



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That's very difficult regarding F&P gas on glass hob.

Mostly is stainless steel.


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QUOTE(Career26 @ Oct 15 2014, 10:36 AM)
thanks for your input. if i go for anything wider than 60 cm, I will lose space for kitchen cabinet. So it's either I compromise on the kitchen cabinet space or the hood. Due to lack of storage space (the unit does not come with a store room), and since I don't do much of the asian cooking style - I thought I will maximise the space available for KC and compromise on the size of hood. And I have used 60 cm hood during my stay in Aus few years ago at a rental apartment - worked quite well, I must say. smile.gif
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Sorry to chime in late. Unless you're in a hurry or i f you've fixed your design on kitchen cabinetry, the following sites might help re-orient on design and space usage perspectives.
BLUM Dynamicspace
Cleanup Kitchen Systems (Japan) Kitchen design reviews (via Google translate) Catalog (via Google translate)

Note that I'm not suggesting you get the exact specs as in here esp the second one. What's more important is you get another perspective of how to organise and plan your kitchen storage and workflow.

IKEA mostly relies on Blum parts for their hinges and hence they do adhere to BLUM's storage philosophy. The European triangle workflow is clearly seen here.

It's ok if it's space is really constrained or you have committed the kitchen cabinetry. Just sometimes if these help re-orient how kitchen storage planning is taken, it might perhaps help enable you to get back more space and then expand your options for choosing wider appliances like the 90cm hood as some suggested. The choices are wider.

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post Nov 6 2014, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 5 2014, 05:46 PM)
If not available for Malaysian market, what about Singapore market? If available for singapore market, can go take from singapore better?

I think my teka VTCM hob is also 60cm but got it for RM1650. Still okay because below 2k range.
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--->I must admit, I haven't done much research on the electric hobs yet. But, now that my options are less, I might consider getting one after research is done. I have included the link for Teka hobs here Which one is the model that you bought ? http://teka.com.my/products/index/10
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QUOTE(OneMoreDay @ Nov 5 2014, 06:15 PM)
Typically, goods aren't marketed towards a region because just not worth it for them to sell a particular line or model if it doesn't suit the market. Asian cooking needs are wholly different from Western, we may not prefer the glass look because it needs to look spotless, etc.

I don't doubt you can actually get the F&P gas on glass hob you want. It just means you'll have to find a supplier or dealer that can get it for you (for a price, of course) or maybe that you'll have to buy it yourself and have it shipped. Also, warranties might be voided or tricky to claim this way.

It'll probably be too much of a hassle. Since your deadline is coming up soon (time will fly), I suggest getting your next best option.
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--->You nailed it! That's exactly my thought. I am thinking of expanding my choices a little bit more. I made calls to most of the brands I mentioned yesterday and I was told that Rinnai might have a 71 cm or 73 cm gas hob. Also, Fotile has a 73 cm gas hob. So am thinking of considering that and also look at the electric ones which I have never considered in the past. Will update my findings - In the mean time, if you come across anything that will be in line with my requirement, do give me a shout here! smile.gif

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actually its easy to get what you want by taking two modular hobs which are (always) 30 cm in actual width and join them with a joining bar.

here is a list with many gas on glas options for you starting at 748 RM:

http://www.xammax.my/cooking/hobs/modular-hobs

(not affiliated, others also can provide)
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QUOTE(Career26 @ Nov 6 2014, 09:31 AM)

--->You nailed it! That's exactly my thought. I am thinking of expanding my choices a little bit more. I made calls to most of the brands I mentioned yesterday and I was told that Rinnai might have a 71 cm or 73 cm gas hob. Also, Fotile has a 73 cm gas hob. So am thinking of considering that and also look at the electric ones which I have never considered in the past. Will update my findings - In the mean time, if you come across anything that will be in line with my requirement, do give me a shout here! smile.gif

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Electrolux in SG have the electric hobs in the sizes you require ie nominal 80cm. There's another brand from Germany also quite popular there. They make units for cooking and also with oven attached.
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See attached picture.

Model is TEKA VTCM. It is a vitroceramic hob. Got it from www.xammax.com.my

Prices is lower than the fair prices & selling prices. Last year I saw the exact model at homedec fair selling for 2k+
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QUOTE(Career26 @ Nov 6 2014, 10:26 AM)
--->I must admit, I haven't done much research on the electric hobs yet. But, now that my options are less, I might consider getting one after research is done. I have included the link for Teka hobs here Which one is the model that you bought ? http://teka.com.my/products/index/10
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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 6 2014, 03:14 PM)
See attached picture.

Model is TEKA VTCM. It is a vitroceramic hob. Got it from www.xammax.com.my

Prices is lower than the fair prices & selling prices. Last year I saw the exact model at homedec fair selling for 2k+
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--->Thanks for sharing. I am a bit confused between the terminologies used: electric hob / induction hob / vitroceramic? Any major differences between all these three? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

I do have the following questions in mind and hope you and other electric hob users can guide me:

1. What are the factors to be considered when choosing an electric hob?
2. Have you surveyed any other brands before resorting to purchase Teka?
3. How long have you been using it?
4. Are there any specific kitchen utensils required? (sorry, I have never used electric hob before)
5. Anything else that you think I should know .....

My search continues.... sweat.gif sweat.gif


This post has been edited by Career26: Nov 7 2014, 06:26 AM
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I thought you were looking for a 70-75cm gas hob? Why need to change to 60cm now? biggrin.gif

For electric, you got two popular choices - vitroceramic or induction
I dont like to use the term vitroceramic as its just pointing out to the "glass" material. For me the correct term is radiant hob. Anyway dont worry about the terms.

Radiant hobs glows red when its turn on, radiating heat to the ceramic glass top and to your pot/pan.

Induction hobs also has a glass top but it doesnt radiate heat. Simple explanation, it generates a magnetic field which in turn makes the pot/pan itself heat up. This is more efficient since its not transferring heat from one area to another like the ceramic hobs. It is also very fast and it doesnt heat up your kitchen surroudings. But there is a catch, you need induction ready pots and pans. This is not a problem, there's plenty nowadays. Clay pots wont work, aluminum pans wont work. You need pots and pans containing iron. Ask for induction ready cookware

The reason why I think you cant find 600 gas hobs in Asia anymore is because once you put a wok on it, the other burners are blocked. That's why they came out with Asian style gas hobs which you see nowadays - around 700-900 wide. But for electric hobs, 600 hobs are plenty.

btw i bought a Teka Induction hob - 3 burners, yes 600mm. Still in the box though cause my reno havent even started yet. My hood is Teka as well - 900mm. My kitchen space is smaller/shorter than yours I think, only 6ft and I have to put a sink there as well.

Just go with a 700-800 gas hob, it wont eat up too much of your counter space. It wont "match" your 600 hood though. Or if you still insist on 600 gas hobs, go the modular way as suggested by another forumer by using Domino hobs. Two of these will fit your requiremen

http://www.xammax.my/media/catalog/product...30_1g_ai_al.jpg


Whats your budget for a hob and hood if you dont mind telling...?

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idoblu has explained in detail in his post already, so I just add on.

The terminology for electric hob simply refer to both induction & vitoceramic hobs as they run on electricity.

While induction hobs doesn't take long to heat up and requires only induction ready cookware, it is also energy saving, child proof compared to vitroceramic hob because induction will heat only the cookware and nothing else so if you or your child place paper or hand on it, it will not burn either hand or paper. This is because when you remove the cookware briefly while stove is on, it will temporarily 'turn off' mode.

The same cannot be said for vitroceramic hobs so you have to be careful not to get burnt. Also vitroceramic hobs can heat any metal cookware as long as there is metal. Think of it as the safe electric version of a gas hob with fire as you will not worry about gas leakage but still need to be careful not to burn yourself.

Downside? Induction hobs are more expensive than vitroceramic hobs.

Previously I had been using a 2 zone vitroceramic ariston hob for many years and it worked well for me so I preferred to get either induction or vitroceramic hob for my new place.

I did my online shopping for my hob, washing machine and fridge as my partner and I were so busy to make time to go down to the actual shops to check out appliances. Therefore the choices are not that many online but with xammax, the choices for induction and vitroceramic hobs is plenty enough for me. The price was another factor for me too so I went with vitroceramic and a 4 zone one because economically, it did not make sense for me to get a 2 zone hob at the same price either when I could get a 4 zone hob as well.

You won't go wrong with European brands for electric hobs. Teka, Ariston, Electrolux etc. The consideration for space between cooking utensils on the electric hob will depend largely on your cooking preferences so take it in mind when deciding on the number of zones and design.

Before I forget, please check with sales or company whether you can utilize all zones at same time to cook. Last time for my 2 zone hob, I was told I could only utilize one zone at a time due to the amp.

Must remember the amp required for the electric hob so that you can inform the wireman to pull a new set of dedicated wires for the hob. No sharing or looping with others.


QUOTE(Career26 @ Nov 7 2014, 07:25 AM)
--->Thanks for sharing. I am a bit confused between the terminologies used: electric hob / induction hob / vitroceramic? Any major differences between all these three?  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif 

I do have the following questions in mind and hope you and other electric hob users can guide me:

1. What are the factors to be considered when choosing an electric hob?
2. Have you surveyed any other brands before resorting to purchase Teka?
3. How long have you been using it?
4. Are there any specific kitchen utensils required? (sorry, I have never used electric hob  before)
5. Anything else that you think I should know .....

My search continues....  sweat.gif  sweat.gif

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Nov 7 2014, 09:08 AM)
I thought you were looking for a 70-75cm gas hob? Why need to change to 60cm now? biggrin.gif

--->My preference has been always 60 cm hood and 60 cm gas hob and that was the reason I started a thread on this topic by specifying the dimension clearly.

If you have read my earlier replies particularly the recent updates about my findings that I gathered in the past 2 months, I managed to narrow down my search for 60 cm hood – Teka or Rinnai.

However, I could not find a 60 cm gas hob on glass as easy as I found the hob. So, I did mention that I am willing (sadly) to compromise the dimension between 70 – 75 cm. After an exhaustive search, I found a 60 cm gas hob on glass (Fisher & Paykel) but to my disappointment, I was informed that it is not available for Malaysian market. You may have read about this in my earlier posts here.

As I was too focused on finding a 60 cm gas hob on glass, I did not even consider the option of electric hob. I must admit, a few people whom I know mentioned that electric hob is not as economical as gas hob which discouraged me even further from finding out the pros and cons of having an electric hob.

I am not succeeding in getting a 60 cm gas hob on glass. Before I compromise on a 70-75 cm gas hob, I would like to learn about the pros and cons of an electric hob (which is obviously available in 60 cm) and make an informed decision at the end.  smile.gif  smile.gif



For electric, you got two popular choices - vitroceramic or induction
I dont like to use the term vitroceramic as its just pointing out to the "glass" material. For me the correct term is radiant hob. Anyway dont worry about the terms.

Radiant hobs glows red when its turn on, radiating heat to the ceramic glass top and to your pot/pan.

Induction hobs also has a glass top but it doesnt radiate heat. Simple explanation, it generates a magnetic field which in turn makes the pot/pan itself heat up. This is more efficient since its not transferring heat from one area to another like the ceramic hobs. It is also very fast and it doesnt heat up your kitchen surroudings. But there is a catch, you need induction ready pots and pans. This is not a problem, there's plenty nowadays. Clay pots wont work, aluminum pans wont work. You need pots and pans containing iron. Ask for induction ready cookware

The reason why I think you cant find 600 gas hobs in Asia anymore is because once you put a wok on it, the other burners are blocked. That's why they came out with Asian style gas hobs which you see nowadays - around 700-900 wide. But for electric hobs, 600 hobs are plenty.

btw i bought a Teka Induction hob - 3 burners, yes 600mm. Still in the box though cause my reno havent even started yet. My hood is Teka as well - 900mm. My kitchen space is smaller/shorter than yours I think, only 6ft and I have to put a sink there as well.

Just go with a 700-800 gas hob, it wont eat up too much of your counter space. It wont "match" your 600 hood though. Or if you still insist on 600 gas hobs, go the modular way as suggested by another forumer by using Domino hobs. Two of these will fit your requirement. Whats your budget for a hob and hood if you dont mind telling...?


---> I allocated about RM 1700 for hood/hob initially but that may change now depending on what I decide finally. How much did you pay for your Teka, 60 cm Induction hob (3 burners), if you don’t mind sharing?
Thanks a lot for educating me. I have not surveyed much for electric hobs in different brands. That’s my homework for the weekend. smile.gif



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if you go the induction way it would be expensive. i bought mine at 2k and that is after 50% off during their warehouse sale.

for others you can take a look here - http://www.xammax.my/cooking/hobs/induction-hobs

Fisher Paykel is even more expensive than Teka. Here is that hob you wanted in Singapore
http://www.harveynorman.com.sg/fisher-payk...g604dwfcx1.html

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