QUOTE(19 Degree South @ Oct 2 2014, 06:43 PM)
Lagi satu! Pergi kopitiam la.. Mazda 3 and Mazda 6 high fuel consumption problem?, Need your feedback
Mazda 3 and Mazda 6 high fuel consumption problem?, Need your feedback
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Oct 2 2014, 06:44 PM
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Oct 2 2014, 06:53 PM
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err... skyactiv is not a hybrid, and i think bigger capacity engine will be in advantage as the engine keeps running during idle, or not all energy efficiently converted to mileage. some v8 engine stops 4 of the cylinders when less power needed, hybrid can stop the engine during idle, range extender runs the engine only when battery runs low. mercedes has the s400h, i think a 3.5 v6 hybrid powertrain... mazda 6 is not expansive enough compare to prius (after tax)
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Oct 2 2014, 07:07 PM
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nobody cares about fuel consumption when buying big car.
I pump ron 97 like a boss into my 2008 Mazda 6 2.5. I dont even care. if u wanna save money, buy a basic mazda 2 or 3 = RM80-100k, saved 50K and pump petrol. |
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Oct 2 2014, 07:17 PM
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the fc figure from brochure usually not true.
You only can get it when from start to stop all along is highway drive, speed between 80 to 100km. Once get in town, stuck in jam, start stop frequent, fc sure increase. |
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Oct 2 2014, 07:36 PM
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Oct 2 2014, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE(kenviro @ Oct 2 2014, 04:03 PM) I am seriously considering to buy either Mazda 3 or Mazda 6 (if the latter can be gotten for under RM150K) but I am concerned about the high fuel consumption (FC). I never thought that there was a problem with FC for Mazda cars since Mazda have been promoting their Skyactiv technology in which one of the plus points is the good fuel economy of their cars with this particular technology. You want to know true FC??It only occurred to me that Mazda cars could have this high FC problem when I visited the Mazda 3 Facebook page and saw a comment from this person, Ed War, that his new Mazda 3 was having a high FC problem. The FC claim by Mazda themselves for the Mazda 3 is 5.7L/100 KM but Ed War was only able to get around 11.4L/100 KM. Not only is that a significantly higher FC but that's about twice the claimed FC by Mazda. That is certainly a significant cause of concern for prospective Mazda 3 buyers. I mean, if the FC figure was about 2L/100 KM or even 3L/100 KM higher, then it's acceptable but for it to be twice the claimed FC, that's not acceptable at all. Anyway, if you want to read the comments by Ed War about his Mazda 3, you can visit: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=101...35147626&type=1 Another link is here: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=101...35147626&type=1 Being more interested in Mazda 6, I took a test drive on Sunday at the Mazda showroom along Old Klang Road. I don't what the showroom did to the Mazda 6, but I saw the average FC was 20.7L/100 KM after the test drive (it was just above 22L/100 KM before the test drive). This led to to have concern that not only is Mazda 3 having high FC problem but Mazda 6 has such high FC problem too. I attach a photo I took of the reading for you to see. I have two questions: 1. What is the FC for your Mazda 3 or Mazda 6 if you are driving a 2013 or 2014 model? 2. Is it possible to set the average FC meter so that you can see the average fuel consumption for just one trip (could be 5 KM or 10 KM)? If so, how do you set it? I had asked the salesperson but he is not aware that it can be set for just one trip. Buy one,pump full tank,next refill find out how many fuel you use then average it to get KM/L figure Anyway it's a D Segment car so i guess as long as you are getting something like 10KM/L in mixed town highway driving you are doing good |
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Oct 2 2014, 08:52 PM
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Manufacturer's claimed fuel economy, at best it's what the car can do and not what it will do. "Can" do, means you have to actually try and save fuel, not let things run its course. You will accelerate almost to the point of annoying people, you will get to highway speeds but it will take you at least 45 seconds if not more. SkyActiv with all that compression ratio (14:1, the highest in the world for production cars alongside the engine in the Ferrari 458 Speciale) and advanced direct injection it should at least be bearable compared to other engines of less sophistication.
It will probably do it, only if you try. This post has been edited by VagueConcerns: Oct 2 2014, 08:53 PM |
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Oct 2 2014, 09:30 PM
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I would say if TS has better budget, might as well settle for the Lexus ES300H. Good C/D seg car and its a hybrid, best of both worlds.
As many mentioned, a D-seg car with 2.0-litre and above will score at average 10-11km/l. I would say if u can afford such cars, u aledi can afford to maintain n fuel them. |
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Oct 2 2014, 10:09 PM
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QUOTE(kenviro @ Oct 2 2014, 04:03 PM) I am seriously considering to buy either Mazda 3 or Mazda 6 (if the latter can be gotten for under RM150K) but I am concerned about the high fuel consumption (FC). I never thought that there was a problem with FC for Mazda cars since Mazda have been promoting their Skyactiv technology in which one of the plus points is the good fuel economy of their cars with this particular technology. Bro, my advice is not to get too stuck up with the readings on the FC meter of the car, whether it is 7l/100km, 11.4l/100km or 10km/l etc. As some others have mentioned, it doesn't really matter too much as in the end, it's how much money you spend in pumping petrol. Instead of FC figures, it may be more useful to know how, say for a full tank of petrol on a Mazda 3 or Mazda 6, how many kilometres it can cover in mixed highway conditions 50% city 50% highway. It is all based on a rough estimate as driving patterns and traffic conditions are not fixed variables and fuel consumption will surely vary. It only occurred to me that Mazda cars could have this high FC problem when I visited the Mazda 3 Facebook page and saw a comment from this person, Ed War, that his new Mazda 3 was having a high FC problem. The FC claim by Mazda themselves for the Mazda 3 is 5.7L/100 KM but Ed War was only able to get around 11.4L/100 KM. Not only is that a significantly higher FC but that's about twice the claimed FC by Mazda. That is certainly a significant cause of concern for prospective Mazda 3 buyers. I mean, if the FC figure was about 2L/100 KM or even 3L/100 KM higher, then it's acceptable but for it to be twice the claimed FC, that's not acceptable at all. Anyway, if you want to read the comments by Ed War about his Mazda 3, you can visit: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=101...35147626&type=1 Another link is here: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=101...35147626&type=1 Being more interested in Mazda 6, I took a test drive on Sunday at the Mazda showroom along Old Klang Road. I don't what the showroom did to the Mazda 6, but I saw the average FC was 20.7L/100 KM after the test drive (it was just above 22L/100 KM before the test drive). This led to to have concern that not only is Mazda 3 having high FC problem but Mazda 6 has such high FC problem too. I attach a photo I took of the reading for you to see. I have two questions: 1. What is the FC for your Mazda 3 or Mazda 6 if you are driving a 2013 or 2014 model? 2. Is it possible to set the average FC meter so that you can see the average fuel consumption for just one trip (could be 5 KM or 10 KM)? If so, how do you set it? I had asked the salesperson but he is not aware that it can be set for just one trip. Not sure about Mazda 3 or 6, but I have 3 colleagues who own the Mazda CX5 2.5 CBU and all of them commented on the fairly good fuel consumption of the vehicle vs. the Honda Civic and Ford Focus. Perhaps in those complaints from Mazda 3 owners they are comparing the FC with their Segment-C vehicles such as Myvi or City? Personally I don't think the fuel consumption between same class of vehicles will vary much. Say a difference of up to ~RM50 per month between Mazda 3, Honda Civic, Toyota Altis and Nissan Sylphy. In summary, if you want good fuel consumption, you would need to go with the small and light vehicle, Segment B vehicles. |
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Oct 2 2014, 10:14 PM
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Go fuelly to check the FC la. Those figures are mostly from daily user.
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Oct 3 2014, 07:23 AM
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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Oct 2 2014, 10:09 PM) Not sure about Mazda 3 or 6, but I have 3 colleagues who own the Mazda CX5 2.5 CBU and all of them commented on the fairly good fuel consumption of the vehicle vs. the Honda Civic and Ford Focus. Perhaps in those complaints from Mazda 3 owners they are comparing the FC with their Segment-C vehicles such as Myvi or City? |
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Oct 3 2014, 07:25 AM
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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Oct 2 2014, 07:07 PM) nobody cares about fuel consumption when buying big car. Sappork!I pump ron 97 like a boss into my 2008 Mazda 6 2.5. I dont even care. if u wanna save money, buy a basic mazda 2 or 3 = RM80-100k, saved 50K and pump petrol. Malaysians very kiasu...want big, want good, want fast, want no drink petrol....mana cari? Chinese saying "Yau Yiu Mah hou, Yau yiu mah ng sek chow!" (Want a good horse which don't eat grass!!!) |
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Oct 3 2014, 08:02 AM
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Oct 3 2014, 08:39 AM
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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Oct 2 2014, 06:26 PM) a better car yes, but a bigger car for sure will consume more petrol, common sense right? u don't expect a D segment size and weight car and FC same like A segment car, no? being concerned about fuel consumption and wanting an axia fuel consumption in a v8 petrol is 2 different things. why not just recommend similar range but better FC or manage driving methods instead of saying want FC go buy axia? |
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Oct 3 2014, 09:06 AM
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I lol at these type of threads. Want drive big cars but thinking about FC. Obviously, TS not there yet.
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Oct 3 2014, 09:09 AM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Oct 3 2014, 07:25 AM) Sappork! harharhar i like your statement but thats quite true Malaysians very kiasu...want big, want good, want fast, want no drink petrol....mana cari? Chinese saying "Yau Yiu Mah hou, Yau yiu mah ng sek chow!" (Want a good horse which don't eat grass!!!) Good horse now eat grains |
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Oct 3 2014, 09:19 AM
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QUOTE(alexng2208 @ Oct 3 2014, 08:39 AM) being concerned about fuel consumption and wanting an axia fuel consumption in a v8 petrol is 2 different things. If want to change car just to save 1km/l of fuel for a D segment, then really pathetic...why not just recommend similar range but better FC or manage driving methods instead of saying want FC go buy axia? Most of these cars at this range FC wont run far. .. You buy expensive car, expect high maintenance. Imo, it should not be a factor when choosing a D segment car. |
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Oct 3 2014, 09:21 AM
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if you are worried too much on the fc when looking for a D segment, then you are still cant afford it... try hybrid car.
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Oct 3 2014, 10:05 AM
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for my mazda5 2.0 skyactiv, driving from selayang to my office at jln sultan ismail KL with bad traffic jam every morning via jln kuching, fc meter shows 10.1 L/100km. beside fc meter, i also calculate the fc from how much i pump petrol. for example last week, i pump RM 60 petrol, i got 280km before it empty again. so based on the calculation:
RM 60.00/RM 2.10 petrol price per liter last week = 28.57 liter X = 100km/280km x 28.57 X = 10.2 L/100km so, more or less same as fc meter. for highway driving normally i get 7.5 L/100km. fc claim by Mazda for the Mazda 3 5.7L/100 km is reasonable i think if for highway driving and light footed. |
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Oct 3 2014, 10:06 AM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Oct 3 2014, 09:19 AM) If want to change car just to save 1km/l of fuel for a D segment, then really pathetic... +1Most of these cars at this range FC wont run far. .. You buy expensive car, expect high maintenance. Imo, it should not be a factor when choosing a D segment car. If TS so concerned about FC but he wants a sedan, a B-seg car like the new Honda City will fit his needs. |
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