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post Oct 2 2014, 02:46 AM, updated 12y ago

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wokey as per topic above la, im kinda interested in getting one for self defense (or at least detract robbers from robbing me) since i walk some distance to work everyday
this is the one im aiming for atm, anyone knows where can i find this in Msia and affordable??

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what is the price range too? hmm.gif

was thinking of Mace, but its kinda bad if it backfires (tested pepper spray before, shit is bad if you farked up, and the AoE is insane)

if possible, maybe recommend other types of concealable personal def weapon? notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(faezfahmi618 @ Oct 2 2014, 02:48 AM)
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would get that if its legit in Msia

sadly no

a baton with stun gun tip sounds damn promising though

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post Oct 2 2014, 02:56 AM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Oct 2 2014, 02:46 AM)
wokey as per topic above la, im kinda interested in getting one for self defense (or at least detract robbers from robbing me) since i walk some distance to work everyday
this is the one im aiming for atm, anyone knows where can i find this in Msia and affordable??

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what is the price range too? hmm.gif

was thinking of Mace, but its kinda bad if it backfires (tested pepper spray before, shit is bad if you farked up, and the AoE is insane)

if possible, maybe recommend other types of concealable personal def weapon? notworthy.gif

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First of all, if you are a girl without any exercise/mma training at all, a pepper spray will do much more harm than a baton.
Since most girl do not posses enough strength to whack a intruder strong enough to deter him, having a baton will only endanger you even more.



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post Oct 2 2014, 03:25 AM

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QUOTE(JunJun04035 @ Oct 2 2014, 03:19 AM)
First of all, if you are a girl without any exercise/mma training at all, a pepper spray will do much more harm than a baton.
Since most girl do not posses enough strength to whack a intruder strong enough to deter him, having a baton will only endanger you even more.
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not a girl, dude here. pretty confident i have enough strength to wield one efficiently (have some experience using blunt force weaps)

pepper spray more efficient but it can backfire, and shit is painful hence im not considering to use it

im using it more on deterrence, since if robber/thief sees me with a weapon and might fight back, the perp might changes its mind on attacking since too much trouble (im going on the case where most thieves/robbers goes for unarmed and vulnerable victims instead of those who can fight back)
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Oct 2 2014, 02:49 AM)
would get that if its legit in Msia

sadly no

a baton with stun gun tip sounds damn promising though
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that rod you want buy also illegal
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i dont recall them saying this is illegal hmm.gif

or have i been reading outdated stuffs?

mostly knives are the one being declared as illegal in the case of what ive read
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Oct 2 2014, 03:25 AM)
not a girl, dude here. pretty confident i have enough strength to wield one efficiently (have some experience using blunt force weaps)

pepper spray more efficient but it can backfire, and shit is painful hence im not considering to use it

im using it more on deterrence, since if robber/thief sees me with a weapon and might fight back, the perp might changes its mind on attacking since too much trouble (im going on the case where most thieves/robbers goes for unarmed and vulnerable victims instead of those who can fight back)
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we carry it all the times, keys the longer the better, seperate it with other small key, hold it in between your fist.
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post Oct 2 2014, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Oct 2 2014, 02:46 AM)
wokey as per topic above la, im kinda interested in getting one for self defense (or at least detract robbers from robbing me) since i walk some distance to work everyday
this is the one im aiming for atm, anyone knows where can i find this in Msia and affordable??

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QUOTE(RobUlstan @ Oct 2 2014, 08:19 AM)
Saya pakai ini saja. Yes kecik, tapi legal

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yep. this is very legal.
but it scares the sheet out of me wor...
like some attacking urge wildly emerge fr inside sweat.gif
but its meant for all defense hmm.gif
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d best really is pepper spray.

can deal damage even at 5m
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my dad in law got tongkat. inside tongkat got parang. but he is old and got vertigo. therefore need tongkat. the knob at the end of tongkat can unsheathe, drawing the long parang. fuuhh...
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QUOTE(blinkxox @ Oct 2 2014, 08:54 AM)
d best really is pepper spray.

can deal damage even at 5m
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black widow used it liao...
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QUOTE(saigetsu @ Oct 2 2014, 08:56 AM)
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QUOTE(saigetsu @ Oct 2 2014, 08:55 AM)
my dad in law got tongkat. inside tongkat got parang. but he is old and got vertigo. therefore need tongkat. the knob at the end of tongkat can unsheathe, drawing the long parang. fuuhh...
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U need parang to fight parang.

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QUOTE(RobUlstan @ Oct 2 2014, 08:19 AM)
Saya pakai ini saja. Yes kecik, tapi legal

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wow what is this? any link for me to know more?
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TS if you want good baton i suggest get at those uniform shops, i have a few of those cheaper batons ranging from RM10-35...tested and they are one time use only, few hits on a stack of newspaper and the baton broke in half and the rod distorted.
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I always wondered how the stick work since it most likely is hollow. One ime wack a fella, the stick break instead of the bad guy.
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QUOTE(TunaFish1990 @ Oct 2 2014, 09:53 AM)
according to a survey among 150 rapist....if you're a girl...a key on hand or umbrella isnt going to dissuade them from raping u..or ur beloved one.

keys are known as short range/melee weapon....meaning in order to hit them, they are able to grab hold of u....and in a man vs woman situation, unless the chick got 6 pack and the bicep the size of my thigh, chances are the girl will be subdue....

the best weapon is probably to know the weak point of a human anatomy and a calm mind..... apart from that, GoooT Lark!
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Oct 2 2014, 02:46 AM)
wokey as per topic above la, im kinda interested in getting one for self defense (or at least detract robbers from robbing me) since i walk some distance to work everyday
this is the one im aiming for atm, anyone knows where can i find this in Msia and affordable??

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what is the price range too? hmm.gif

was thinking of Mace, but its kinda bad if it backfires (tested pepper spray before, shit is bad if you farked up, and the AoE is insane)

if possible, maybe recommend other types of concealable personal def weapon? notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(TunaFish1990 @ Oct 2 2014, 09:56 AM)
oops..sorry bro.. didnt notice...

if like that then yea..i agree liao..keys ur best LEGAL weapon..unless the guy got parang..then ur legs probably the best thing god has given you d...
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QUOTE(dynames07 @ Oct 2 2014, 09:27 AM)
wow what is this? any link for me to know more?
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It's a Tactical Pen. I bought on Ebay or Amazon before (can't remember), don't know if still available. Anyway, if you search for Tactical Pen, you will find lots of different types.
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QUOTE(RobUlstan @ Oct 2 2014, 11:11 AM)
It's a Tactical Pen. I bought on Ebay or Amazon before (can't remember), don't know if still available. Anyway, if you search for Tactical Pen, you will find lots of different types.
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tactical pen, kubatons all are quite short ranged impact weapons, only advantage you will get is when your assailant is unarmed which is very low.
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QUOTE(McFcker @ Oct 2 2014, 10:15 AM)
tactical pen, kubatons all are quite short ranged impact weapons, only advantage you will get is when your assailant is unarmed which is very low.
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What do you suggest? Carry a gun?
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QUOTE(RobUlstan @ Oct 2 2014, 11:19 AM)
What do you suggest? Carry a gun?
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if you can get the license to carry one, do carry. If not just try your best to run or just give them your wallet...best is not to fight back, even if you are trained in martial arts.
QUOTE(TunaFish1990 @ Oct 2 2014, 11:24 AM)
tiis and yes, carry a gun...
or to a lesser extend..a pepper spray....legality, i have no idea...
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pepper spray will be good, bought one from jusco, doesn't even work...the spray nozzle faulty.
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QUOTE(McFcker @ Oct 2 2014, 10:31 AM)
if you can get the license to carry one, do carry. If not just try your best to run or just give them your wallet...best is not to fight back, even if you are trained in martial arts.

pepper spray will be good, bought one from jusco, doesn't even work...the spray nozzle faulty.
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This is Malaysia, not the US where every Tom, d*** and Harry can get a gun license. If TS can get a gun he won't be asking about PDW here. Your 2nd point is valid, most of the time just run away/give wallet, but there are times that is not an option as well. Might as well have something at hand that can give you a little chance - even if only 0.5%. I chose the Tactical Pen not only because it is legal but also because most of the time I can actually use it as a pen. Take note that I can also bring this on airplanes without much scrutiny (have not tried in US though).

Pepper spray, if you can get a good one, then Ok, most that is sold here is almost useless.


EDIT: Haha, I just noticed d*** automatically became d***...

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QUOTE(TunaFish1990 @ Oct 2 2014, 09:53 AM)
according to a survey among 150 rapist....if you're a girl...a key on hand or umbrella isnt going to dissuade them from raping u..or ur beloved one.

keys are known as short range/melee weapon....meaning in order to hit them, they are able to grab hold of u....and in a man vs woman situation, unless the chick got 6 pack and the bicep the size of my thigh, chances are the girl will be subdue....

the best weapon is probably to know the weak point of a human anatomy and a calm mind..... apart from that, GoooT Lark!
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What happen is kena gang rape, india style. Weapon also no use since they outnumber.
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QUOTE(RobUlstan @ Oct 2 2014, 11:45 AM)
This is Malaysia, not the US where every Tom, d*** and Harry can get a gun license. If TS can get a gun he won't be asking about PDW here. Your 2nd point is valid, most of the time just run away/give wallet, but there are times that is not an option as well. Might as well have something at hand that can give you a little chance - even if only 0.5%. I chose the Tactical Pen not only because it is legal but also because most of the time I can actually use it as a pen. Take note that I can also bring this on airplanes without much scrutiny (have not tried in US though).

Pepper spray, if you can get a good one, then Ok, most that is sold here is almost useless.
EDIT: Haha, I just noticed d*** automatically became d***...
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are you trained in any self defense? whistling.gif well whatever floats your boat man, i would love to see tactical pen vs parang

QUOTE(TunaFish1990 @ Oct 2 2014, 11:48 AM)
that's why i always purchase a reliable brand when it comes to life saving equipment.....try googling for it's customers..usually i bought those that's being used by US police force..like Mace brand.. So far so good...
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yes Mace Brand is good, for the cheaper brands i bought it for testing purposes.
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QUOTE(McFcker @ Oct 2 2014, 10:55 AM)
are you trained in any self defense?  whistling.gif well whatever floats your boat man, i would love to see tactical pen vs parang
yes Mace Brand is good, for the cheaper brands i bought it for testing purposes.
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I am trained a little bit, although this does not matter if you read my reply properly. I said, if running and giving wallet (which I agreed with you is what should be done first) is not an option, then isn't it better to have something rather than nothing? I would rather Tactical Pen vs Parang rather Nothing vs Parang.
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Come let me teach u how to use it. Leather jacket not included
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i use bare hand only...
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QUOTE(TunaFish1990 @ Oct 2 2014, 12:21 PM)
totally understand bro..usually grand master uses bare hand nia..like bruce lee..
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imagine the fucuker wearing helmet and rob you with a knife.

we better give it to them/run like no tomorrow


imagine the fucuker wearing helmet and snatch your bag

carrying a baton/with ur fist, you will hit them which body part? their head and neck is protected and is close body, so if u back step and try to kick his hotdog & eggs will be slow. hitting arms are less painful. i think of is give him a strong punch to the lower end of the lung ribs and charge towards him make him fall down and beat him like no tomorrow.
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Oct 2 2014, 03:25 AM)
not a girl, dude here. pretty confident i have enough strength to wield one efficiently (have some experience using blunt force weaps)

pepper spray more efficient but it can backfire, and shit is painful hence im not considering to use it

im using it more on deterrence, since if robber/thief sees me with a weapon and might fight back, the perp might changes its mind on attacking since too much trouble (im going on the case where most thieves/robbers goes for unarmed and vulnerable victims instead of those who can fight back)
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Baton isnt gonna deter them. coz they know they wont get injured as bad as a blade attack

use this instead

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It is easily concealed and does serious damage at close range. have two of it, with one is a kerambit, can draw out his intestines.

The other is a super high 200lumens and above flash light like Nitecore

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Comes with bezel, switch to the quick flashing light and point at the oppressor, it will disorientate him while you bash his head with the bezel at the tip. Its super hard.
And a slash with your knife.

These two are menacing enough to deter any attack, knowing that you got a knife and is prepared to fight.


Things you need must be light weight and quick to deploy.
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you play watch dog to much
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ive always wanted to get one since action movies before Watch Dog showed them la sweat.gif

QUOTE(JunJun04035 @ Oct 2 2014, 07:22 AM)
Even better.
Go some MMA class, learn how to maintain intimating composure.
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as much intimidating as that composure is, im still bare handed

bare hand vs parang, bad idea

the idea is that if parang strikes come, i can at least block it away with the baton than bare hand while running away

QUOTE(jurkflash @ Oct 2 2014, 11:45 AM)
imagine the fucuker wearing helmet and rob you with a knife.

we better give it to them/run like no tomorrow
imagine the fucuker wearing helmet and snatch your bag

carrying a baton/with ur fist, you will hit them which body part? their head and neck is protected and is close body, so if u back step and try to kick his hotdog & eggs will be slow. hitting arms are less painful. i think of is give him a strong punch to the lower end of the lung ribs and charge towards him make him fall down and beat him like no tomorrow.
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ofc run la, im not confident to take on robbers myself

but as per reply above, at least a baton > bare hands in blocking away parang

im not planning on using baton to whack them

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Baton isnt gonna deter them. coz they know they wont get injured as bad as a blade attack

use this instead

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It is easily concealed and does serious damage at close range. have two of it, with one is a kerambit, can draw out his intestines.

The other is a super high 200lumens and above flash light like Nitecore

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Comes with bezel, switch to the quick flashing light and point at the oppressor, it will disorientate him while you bash his head with the bezel at the tip. Its super hard.
And a slash with your knife.

These two are menacing enough to deter any attack, knowing that you got a knife and is prepared to fight.
Things you need must be light weight and quick to deploy.
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if you want to know la, i find people wielding blunt force trauma weapons more scarier than blade

cause it does massive crap against your internals than blade. one whack at right spot, and youre nearly incapacitated as compared to blades (several stabs to take down)

slashing not as effective too, unless you have longer blade/knife where you can cut deeper

knives are bad idea when police suddenly decide to check you btw, youll get worse than holding a baton. friend had parang for jungle stuff, police roadblock found it while hes on his way back from camp. kena stopped sweat.gif

the flash light is a good idea at night, blind the fuker then chabut
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Oct 2 2014, 01:51 PM)
ive always wanted to get one since action movies before Watch Dog showed them la sweat.gif
as much intimidating as that composure is, im still bare handed

bare hand vs parang, bad idea

the idea is that if parang strikes come, i can at least block it away with the baton than bare hand while running away
ofc run la, im not confident to take on robbers myself

but as per reply above, at least a baton > bare hands in blocking away parang

im not planning on using baton to whack them
if you want to know la, i find people wielding blunt force trauma weapons more scarier than blade

cause it does massive crap against your internals than blade. one whack at right spot, and youre nearly incapacitated as compared to blades (several stabs to take down)

slashing not as effective too, unless you have longer blade/knife where you can cut deeper

knives are bad idea when police suddenly decide to check you btw, youll get worse than holding a baton. friend had parang for jungle stuff, police roadblock found it while hes on his way back from camp. kena stopped sweat.gif

the flash light is a good idea at night, blind the fuker then chabut
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spiderco knives are ok. hidden and concealed inside your pants.

unless u muka macam gangster, police wont waste time checking your car or body search lol.
parang also u need to hide la in the car. i go jungle also, parang is strapped by the side of the backpack and lay down. if check also can see the gears, no issue, as they themselves also bring parang to jungle. its not illegal either.

blunt force only if u can land on body/head, but if the attacker blocks it, you also will kena.

the flash light with bezel also does serious blunt trauma lel. but as bruce lee said, be like water. anything around u can be used as a weapon.

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well the flash light would be good, as for small concealable knife,kerambit it would only work if you have experience handling it against someone with a parang (basic weapon for all robbers in Malaysia)
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Oct 2 2014, 01:51 PM)
ive always wanted to get one since action movies before Watch Dog showed them la sweat.gif
as much intimidating as that composure is, im still bare handed

bare hand vs parang, bad idea

the idea is that if parang strikes come, i can at least block it away with the baton than bare hand while running away
ofc run la, im not confident to take on robbers myself

but as per reply above, at least a baton > bare hands in blocking away parang

im not planning on using baton to whack them
if you want to know la, i find people wielding blunt force trauma weapons more scarier than blade

cause it does massive crap against your internals than blade. one whack at right spot, and youre nearly incapacitated as compared to blades (several stabs to take down)

slashing not as effective too, unless you have longer blade/knife where you can cut deeper

knives are bad idea when police suddenly decide to check you btw, youll get worse than holding a baton. friend had parang for jungle stuff, police roadblock found it while hes on his way back from camp. kena stopped sweat.gif

the flash light is a good idea at night, blind the fuker then chabut
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Since ur idea of personal weapon is to block attacks id suggest an umbrella. Since it seems that you arent trained in self defense id highly discourage carrying actual weapons of any kind for the risk of them being used against yourself by an experienced perpetrator. The deadlier the tool, the higher the risk when you lack the mastery. Another reason is to avoid giving yourself a false sense of confidence and try to confront an attacker in situations when fleeing is actually better and possible. Also the surprise element of robberies rarely gives you an opportunity to reach for your weapon.

Barehanded vs parang is not that bad of an idea. Plenty of martial arts (i know mine does) puts great emphasize on dealing with armed attacks barehanded and use it against the enemy. Bringing a weapon you arent trained or prepared to use, now thats bad.

Plus it makes you look like a dork.
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Since ur idea of personal weapon is to block attacks id suggest an umbrella. Since it seems that you arent trained in self defense id highly discourage carrying actual weapons of any kind for the risk of them being used against yourself by an experienced perpetrator. The deadlier the tool, the higher the risk when you lack the mastery. Another reason is to avoid giving yourself a false sense of confidence and try to confront an attacker in situations when fleeing is actually better and possible. Also the surprise element of robberies rarely gives you an opportunity to reach for your weapon.

Barehanded vs parang is not that bad of an idea. Plenty of martial arts (i know mine does) puts great emphasize on dealing with armed attacks barehanded and use it against the enemy. Bringing a weapon you arent trained or prepared to use, now thats bad.

Plus it makes you look like a dork.
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already have umbrella but those small ones. not sturdy enough too

sorry, but as much as i like the fact that you can bare hand vs parang, i dont have confidence to go against sharp weapons with just my hands. i want to keep my fingers thank you

i have experience in wielding weapons, im not a complete "omg weapons, must get for the sake of cool factor"

nope, im not. im legitimately want something i can rely on in the event SHTF

doesnt matter if it makes me look like dork, if it can protect, i dont care if it makes me look stupid too
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i do agree with you, that why in my previous post i mention its best if the user have experience with the weapon they use against for example parang. Umbrella will be good, its long enough to keep your distance and some are sturdy enough to block the attacks. Maybe after that the umbrella can't be used anymore biggrin.gif


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how much experience you have wielding weapons? do you go for classes? how many years have you trained? I have encountered people/friends who watches too much anime, try to block a punch by catching the persons fist... sweat.gif cause apparently in anime its possible and cool.

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how much experience you have wielding weapons? do you go for classes? how many years have you trained? I have encountered people/friends who watches too much anime, try to block a punch by catching the persons fist... sweat.gif cause apparently in anime its possible and cool.
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not to the extend im proficient or expert but i have learnt from sports on weapons handling. you might call this as bullshit but i have training in fencing. granted fencing is not same as real life fighting etc, i have experience in parrying and deflecting incoming strikes with ease using a long weapon.

my only objective of using baton is to intimidate and deflect potential parang attacks. not to whack people sweat.gif

my rule is always to run instead of fight, unless im cornered
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Oct 2 2014, 03:54 PM)
not to the extend im proficient or expert but i have learnt from sports on weapons handling. you might call this as bullshit but i have training in fencing. granted fencing is not same as real life fighting etc, i have experience in parrying and deflecting incoming strikes with ease using a long weapon.

my only objective of using baton is to intimidate and deflect potential parang attacks. not to whack people sweat.gif

my rule is always to run instead of fight, unless im cornered
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well if you are in fencing i think an umbrella will do better and yo are using it to deflect strikes, plus the baton is illegal and much heavier. The way you use a baton is different as well, as it is designed to deal impact damage. smile.gif . Plus if you are planning on the baton and you want it to be concealable the most u can get is about 12" which is kinda small. The bigger ones you cant really fit in the pocket.
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Oct 2 2014, 02:42 PM)
already have umbrella but those small ones. not sturdy enough too

sorry, but as much as i like the fact that you can bare hand vs parang, i dont have confidence to go against sharp weapons with just my hands. i want to keep my fingers thank you

i have experience in wielding weapons, im not a complete "omg weapons, must get for the sake of cool factor"

nope, im not. im legitimately want something i can rely on in the event SHTF

doesnt matter if it makes me look like dork, if it can protect, i dont care if it makes me look stupid too
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Then get a big one. The point is not to barehand vs parang. The point is to avoid the "vs" part. If ur not confidence in confronting an attacker barehanded but carrying a weapon gives it to you then im inclined to refer to that as false confidence. A weapon does not instantly transform you from zero to hero. You are more likely to get in a fight you cant win then finding escape options. Umbrella is good and you have plenty of reason to carry them around without arousing suspicion from authorities and other civilians. The flashlight is a good idea, as you have said. Since you dont mind the trouble of carrying extra stuff and looking weird another alternative is to bring extra wallet filled with a few ringgits as bait.
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QUOTE(McFcker @ Oct 2 2014, 02:58 PM)
well if you are in fencing i think an umbrella will do better and yo are using it to deflect strikes, plus the baton is illegal and much heavier. The way you use a baton is different as well, as it is designed to deal impact damage.  smile.gif . Plus if you are planning on the baton and you want it to be concealable the most u can get is about 12" which is kinda small. The bigger ones you cant really fit in the pocket.
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this is where the durability of an umbrella comes in. its not exactly strong enough to block a hit (wind can even wreck the frame), and its unwieldy as compared to a fencing blade (the weight is all messed up)

16" is the one im planning to get, seems to be the smallest i can find too

QUOTE(Shadow Kun @ Oct 2 2014, 03:09 PM)
Then get a big one. The point is not to barehand vs parang. The point is to avoid the "vs" part. If ur not confidence in confronting an attacker barehanded but carrying a weapon gives it to you then im inclined to refer to that as false confidence. A weapon does not instantly transform you from zero to hero. You are more likely to get in a fight you cant win then finding escape options. Umbrella is good and you have plenty of reason to carry them around without arousing suspicion from authorities and other civilians. The flashlight is a good idea, as you have said. Since you dont mind the trouble of carrying extra stuff and looking weird another alternative is to bring extra wallet filled with a few ringgits as bait.
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you dont understand, I AM NOT LOOKING FOR A FIGHT doh.gif

say this scenario
> walking to work
> several dudes with parangs pop up
> first thing to do, ill run the hell away (i mean, fark, ofc run la)
> if unable to run, take out baton
> use it to hold their attacks off until at least i can find opening to escape
> 2 results that may happen
1. i died
2. i managed to run away with nothing more than light cuts cause have baton to deflect parang strikes

now in that situation, if i have only an umbrella or bare fist, what do you think will happen?

unless my umbrella is some god tier umbrella, i dont see how can it take on multiple parang strikes without breaking

and going bare fist against parang? fat chance, youll see me without fingers from that day onwards

flashlight is good, but only works best at night. and i dont recall seeing any retractable flashlights

the baton is not gonna be propped in front of everyone btw, theres a reason im looking for retractable ones. where i can hide in a bag/deep pockets

if not i might as well grab a freaking truncheon
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just buy pepper spray

afraid if use baton, attacker grab from u, even worst scenario
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malaysia is safe, why do you need weapon anyway? if everyone bring weapon you think nothing will happen. hmm.gif
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I've got myself a pepper spray and a multi-purpose knife (although I have asked Mr Raymond of /k/ police, that it is illegal to carry even a multi-purpose knife in MY, even for self-defence)
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let say somone try to rob u. alone in the dark. then u ter kill him with ur knife. how ah?
i always wonder this. sked too keng until ter kill. and no witness that the fella try to rompak u also.
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gua bukan Kiki whistling.gif

also, stereng lock not concealable also whistling.gif
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why you want it to be concealable ??
you want them to see it so they will think twice before coming near you
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just buy pepper spray

afraid if use baton, attacker grab from u, even worst scenario
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afraid if use pepper spray, attacker grab from me, even worst scenario

same thing bro, those are the risk im willing to take dee

QUOTE(issedadecy @ Oct 2 2014, 09:04 PM)
malaysia is safe, why do you need weapon anyway? if everyone bring weapon you think nothing will happen. hmm.gif
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at least if SHTF, i have a weapon compared to none

QUOTE(Sha91 @ Oct 2 2014, 09:09 PM)
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still wondering is baton illegal anot

from what ive read, blades/knives are illegal but they didnt mention anything with the tier of batons hmm.gif

QUOTE(Coldf3ar @ Oct 2 2014, 09:17 PM)
let say somone try to rob u. alone in the dark. then u ter kill him with ur knife. how ah?
i always wonder this. sked too keng until ter kill. and no witness that the fella try to rompak u also.
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considered murder also

since you bunuh orang, i mean seriously couple of light stabs wont kill but imagine you stab/slash until dude died.. thats like serious case of 'killing intent' sweat.gif
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why you want it to be concealable ??
you want them to see it so they will think twice before coming near you
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concealable means i can carry it anywhere easily

simpan at pocket, bags etc

besides, showing it at front is like inviting trouble with authorities too
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those baton selling at night market or shop mostly are useless, once i take down a fat gay suspect at sunway. i attacked twice and it bend and break ? lol
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actually i'll say umbrella is the bestest defense weapon. (i mean those long one, not the 3 fold umbrella)

some more can use during rain tongue.gif
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TS, even with fencing skills, i dont think it is going to work on the street. instead of blocking the attack, u should focus on striking and destroying whatever that is coming towards u. anyway, the best thing to do is to run like hell.
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before you think about carry a concealed weapon, think of the consequence, if found by the police.. According to

LAWS OF MALAYSIA
Act 357
CORROSIVE AND EXPLOSIVE SUBSTANCES
AND OFFENSIVE WEAPONS ACT 1958

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Carrying offensive weapons in public places
6.(1) Any person who in any public road or place carries or has
in his possession or under his control any offensive weapon otherwise
than with lawful authority or for a lawful purpose shall be guilty
of an offence and on conviction be liable to imprisonment for a
term not exceeding two years, and to whipping.


http://www.agc.gov.my/Akta/Vol.%208/Act%20357.pdf
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before you think about carry a concealed weapon, think of the consequence, if found by the police.. According to

LAWS OF MALAYSIA
Act 357
CORROSIVE AND EXPLOSIVE SUBSTANCES
AND OFFENSIVE WEAPONS ACT 1958
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Carrying offensive weapons in public places
6.(1) Any person who in any public road or place carries or has
in his possession or under his control any offensive weapon otherwise
than with lawful authority or for a lawful purpose shall be guilty
of an offence and on conviction be liable to imprisonment for a
term not exceeding two years, and to whipping.


http://www.agc.gov.my/Akta/Vol.%208/Act%20357.pdf
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“offensive weapon” includes any instrument which if used as a weapon of offence is likely to cause hurt

“hurt” means hurt as defined in the Penal Code [Act 574]


we do love to use broad definitions in our laws... sweat.gif doh.gif

what options do we have, realistically? hmm.gif
SUSeksk
post Oct 2 2014, 10:46 PM

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anything the police say .. its heads he win tails you lose.. cam seditious act definition...
Shadow Kun
post Oct 3 2014, 12:59 AM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Oct 2 2014, 08:57 PM)
this is where the durability of an umbrella comes in. its not exactly strong enough to block a hit (wind can even wreck the frame), and its unwieldy as compared to a fencing blade (the weight is all messed up)

16" is the one im planning to get, seems to be the smallest i can find too
you dont understand, I AM NOT LOOKING FOR A FIGHT doh.gif

say this scenario
> walking to work
> several dudes with parangs pop up
> first thing to do, ill run the hell away (i mean, fark, ofc run la)
> if unable to run, take out baton
> use it to hold their attacks off until at least i can find opening to escape
> 2 results that may happen
1. i died
2. i managed to run away with nothing more than light cuts cause have baton to deflect parang strikes

now in that situation, if i have only an umbrella or bare fist, what do you think will happen?

unless my umbrella is some god tier umbrella, i dont see how can it take on multiple parang strikes without breaking

and going bare fist against parang? fat chance, youll see me without fingers from that day onwards

flashlight is good, but only works best at night. and i dont recall seeing any retractable flashlights

the baton is not gonna be propped in front of everyone btw, theres a reason im looking for retractable ones. where i can hide in a bag/deep pockets

if not i might as well grab a freaking truncheon
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whoa whoa hold up. lets sum up what i have said so far -
- avoid the "vs" part
- avoid gaining false sense of confidence and confront the attacker
- discourage you from getting a weapon as weapon is meant to be used in a fight
- seek other alternative such as fleeing or negotiating/giving the attacker what they want (fake wallet)

and i am the one who dont understand that youre not looking for a fight? lol ok then.

an umbrella is the best fitting item for your purpose. take a look at this bad boy:

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its made of metal at the core. its long. its a normal item people carry around so there is no need to conceal it, making it very convenient to use spontaneously without the need to take it out of your bags/pockets. it'll survive plenty of parang slashes as you make your escape no doubt about it. its awesome yet its perfectly okay to log around without breaking any laws. if you have plenty of cash to throw around you can find of those umbrella's specifically designed to use for self defense (http://real-self-defense.com/unbreakable-umbrella/). but imo regular ones will do just fine.

another thing to consider is avoiding confrontation (as you have said it yourself you are not looking for a fight) and thats where the fake wallet idea will come in handy. for example in your imaginary case, a bunch of thugs doesnt show up just to fuk shit up. they want something and if you can give it to them they probably will leave. throw or offer them a fake wallet as distraction and use the mighty umbrella to aid your escape. if youre surrounded and outnumbered by armed thugs the least you want to do is to pop out a weapon and tell them youre gonna hang around for a fight. these thugs are most probably desperate people with nothing else to lose, and with plenty of experience to boot. as you arent confident at all at fighting unarmed youll think less about a confrontation (out of fear of losing those pretty pink fingers) and focus more on thinking ways to escape the scene without resorting to violence even if it means handing your wallet and iphone but leaving with your life and fingers intact.

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