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Joey Christensen
post Feb 3 2015, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(kimasapi @ Feb 3 2015, 02:00 PM)
Ahli silap mata (magician) guna daun terup pun dikira haram kan!!!
Tiada komen buat masa sekarang.

QUOTE(PVCpipe @ Feb 3 2015, 02:16 PM)
setengah ulama cakap haram... setengah mcm larang je... so kira boleeh tapi frowned upon? hmm.gif
Entah. Say pun keliru.
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post Feb 3 2015, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(Joey Christensen @ Feb 3 2015, 12:08 PM)
Walaupun tidak melibatkan duit, tetap haram. Daun terup merupakan alat untuk berjudi (pokoknya). Haram...
Lain dari apa yang saya diberitahu oleh Ustaz Azhar Idrus. Macam mana?
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Banyak benda adalah alat berjudi. Sukan pun alat berjudi.

Memang biasa ada berbeza pendapat. It's a normal thing.

Tapi kalau comes down to the wire, bagi aku, ikut rationale:
Apa yang dimaksudkan dengan "berjudi".
Kenapa berjudi tu haram, apa akar umbi nya.
Bagi aku, as an alat, tak buat benda tu haram. Pisau alat menyembelih. Pistol alat membunuh. Dan macam aku cakap, sukan pun alat berjudi.

So in the end, aku follow rationale. Main daun terup bukan berjudi. Pakai perfume ada alkohol bukan minum arak. Makan semeja dengan perempuan kat McD bukan mendekati zina.


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This is the very thing I've been talking about. Some people are not thinking, but only taqleed: just follow teachings without thinking.


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post Feb 3 2015, 03:16 PM

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kebanyakan benda entertainment memang haram sebab lagha, membuang masa

dosa besar ke kecik saya pun tak tahu, itu antara dia dengan Allah

kalau masuk skali duit lagi lah teruk dosanya sebab either mambazir duit atau berjudi

tapi jabatan agama tak ada kuasa nak tangkap orang sebab buat benda lagha seperti..main dota kat cc, main game kat rumah, main poker(tiada judi) dengan kawan

tapi jabatan agama boleh ambik tindakan ke atas orang yang melanggar kesalahan jelas dalam enakmen2 shariah negeri, contohnya berjudi atau buat bisnes judi, berkhalwat, menyebarkan faham sesat dsb

Wallahua'lam


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post Feb 3 2015, 03:56 PM

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tentang rasa
post Feb 3 2015, 04:33 PM

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daun terup tak haram
berjudi yang haram


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post Feb 3 2015, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(manypplwan @ Feb 3 2015, 01:42 PM)
will try to ask a few ustaz later
So as long as anjing tu tak berenang sentuh aku kira ok la kan?  hmm.gif
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from my knowledge tidak. tapi kalau kolam renang tu kecik nak ker hang tertelan air yg dah kena anjing yg tak reti istinjak bro???

QUOTE(kimasapi @ Feb 3 2015, 02:00 PM)
Ahli silap mata (magician) guna daun terup pun dikira haram kan!!!
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tak , silap mata dan sihir benda berbeza .
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post Feb 3 2015, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(ralfvi @ Feb 3 2015, 06:56 PM)
from my knowledge tidak. tapi kalau kolam renang tu kecik nak ker hang tertelan air yg dah kena anjing yg tak reti istinjak bro???
tak , silap mata dan sihir benda berbeza .
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will ask other ustazs as well
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post Feb 3 2015, 10:11 PM

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How Is Your Faith? (5 Lessons of Life)

1. Once, all villagers decided to pray for rain; on the day of prayer everybody gathered but only one boy came with an umbrella…

That’s faith

2. When you throw a baby in the air, she laughs because she knows you will catch her…

That’s trust

3. Every night we go to bed without any assurance of being alive the next morning, but still we set the alarm to wake up…

That’s hope

4. We plan big things for tomorrow in spite of zero knowledge of the future or having any certainty of uncertainties...

That’s confidence

5. We see the world suffering. We know there is every possibility of same or similar things happening to us. But still we get married…

That’s over confidence!

http://www.onislam.net/english/back-to-rel...ns-of-life.html
TSseiferalmercy
post Feb 3 2015, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(mambangafro @ Feb 3 2015, 11:30 PM)
Sedih aaa tgk orang gaduh sebab berbeza ustat
Kalau shiah vs sunni x pa gak
Ni gaduh sebab ustat
Makin lama makin berpecah
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bukan gaduh, heated dialogue blush.gif
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post Feb 4 2015, 05:51 AM

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QUOTE(Joey Christensen @ Feb 3 2015, 12:02 PM)
Haram lah. Itu disebabkan daun terup itu dibuat untuk tujuan berjudi. Saya sudah bertanyakan Ustaz Azhar Idrus. Beliau berkata haram (walaupun tidak berjudi tetapi bermain daun terup).

Kata kekunci: Daun terup.
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Islam dan kehidupan berpisah tiada, dan kehidupan itu sentiasa tentang sejarah. Jika sejarah daun terup itu adalah sebegitu, maka sebegitu jugalah hukumnya, iaitu haram.

QUOTE(Joey Christensen @ Feb 3 2015, 12:08 PM)
Walaupun tidak melibatkan duit, tetap haram. Daun terup merupakan alat untuk berjudi (pokoknya). Haram...
Lain dari apa yang saya diberitahu oleh Ustaz Azhar Idrus. Macam mana?
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QUOTE(notoriousfiq @ Feb 3 2015, 02:34 PM)
Banyak benda adalah alat berjudi. Sukan pun alat berjudi.

Memang biasa ada berbeza pendapat. It's a normal thing.

Tapi kalau comes down to the wire, bagi aku, ikut rationale:
Apa yang dimaksudkan dengan "berjudi".
Kenapa berjudi tu haram, apa akar umbi nya.
Bagi aku, as an alat, tak buat benda tu haram. Pisau alat menyembelih. Pistol alat membunuh. Dan macam aku cakap, sukan pun alat berjudi.

So in the end, aku follow rationale. Main daun terup bukan berjudi. Pakai perfume ada alkohol bukan minum arak. Makan semeja dengan perempuan kat McD bukan mendekati zina.
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This is the very thing I've been talking about. Some people are not thinking, but only taqleed: just follow teachings without thinking.
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Yes you are right, tp bukan pada mazhab syafie. Bagus cara kau fikir, tp hukum bukan pada diri kita, malah mufti dan ulama byk khilaf, berbeza pendapat. Bukan pada kita utk menetapkan hukuman bergantung pada 'pemikiran' kita yang rationale kononnya. Ada sebab kenapa dah ditetapkan hukuman, smua pandangan yg kita telah fikir secara rationale ini, telah difikir oleh lg byk ulama' sebelum mempersetujui sebulat suara tentang hukum sesuatu perbuatan tu.

Belajar melalui guru, bukan melalui internet atau buku yang dibeli di kedai. Kena faham kepentingan sanat yg byk dikaitkan dgn ilmu, dgn kesahihan ilmu, dgn kesahihan sesuatu hadis tu jugak. N yes, following teachings without thinking are normally 'teachings' from reading and learning not from an ustaz yang bertauliah. And ustaz meaning a teacher, as what it actually means. Ever heard about Benz Ali? And what happened to him? Belajar melalui kitab tanpa guru, maka syaitanlah menjadi guru.

N belajar la mengenal diri, mengenal Tuhan, dan hakikat insan. Kalau dah belajar, tidak akan ada 'bagi aku', 'pada pandangan aku', and pada 'fikiran aku'. Semua DIA yang punya. Wallahualam.

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QUOTE(tentang rasa @ Feb 3 2015, 10:11 PM)
How Is Your Faith? (5 Lessons of Life)

1. Once, all villagers decided to pray for rain; on the day of prayer everybody gathered but only one boy came with an umbrella…

That’s faith

2. When you throw a baby in the air, she laughs because she knows you will catch her…

That’s trust

3. Every night we go to bed without any assurance of being alive the next morning, but still we set the alarm to wake up…

That’s hope

4. We plan big things for tomorrow in spite of zero knowledge of the future or having any certainty of uncertainties...

That’s confidence

5. We see the world suffering. We know there is every possibility of same or similar things happening to us. But still we get married…

That’s over confidence!

http://www.onislam.net/english/back-to-rel...ns-of-life.html
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I dont get the last one. Haha
notoriousfiq
post Feb 4 2015, 06:41 AM

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QUOTE(aimank_88 @ Feb 4 2015, 05:51 AM)
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Sebab para ustaz pun berlainan pendapat. So ikut lain ustaz, lain lah ajarannya. You can do whatever you want, follow whoever you want, but I don't do taqleed. If you want to, up to you. Sebab tu ada "bagi aku" this that this that, sebab lain2 pemikiran. Fact to the matter is, Islam today is not one single teaching. Ramai orang memang berlainan pendapat. So instead of bergaduh (macam mambangafro cakap tongue.gif ) we should accept the differences in opinion, and improve ourselves. Because in the end, a faith is your personal relationship with God, personal devotion to Him.


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post Feb 4 2015, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(notoriousfiq @ Feb 4 2015, 06:41 AM)
Sebab para ustaz pun berlainan pendapat. So ikut lain ustaz, lain lah ajarannya. You can do whatever you want, follow whoever you want, but I don't  do taqleed. If you want to, up to you. Sebab tu ada "bagi aku" this that this that, sebab lain2 pemikiran. Fact to the matter is, Islam today is not one single teaching. Ramai orang memang berlainan pendapat. So instead of bergaduh (macam mambangafro cakap  tongue.gif ) we should accept the differences in opinion, and improve ourselves. Because in the end, a faith is your personal relationship with God, personal devotion to Him.
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You're correct bro, kat luar tu ada 1001 macam punya ustaz. Semua kata dia betul tapi pegangan lain2. Pernah jadi kat surau aku seorang ustaz cita daging kurban kena habiskan dalam masa 3 hari. kalau tak habis daging tu jadi haram dimakan. Selang 3 hari datang seorang ustaz lain cita pulak daging korban bolih simpan sampai bila2. Tak ke habis keliru orang2 kampong.

Ramai yg kata kita kena berguru dah plak tu kena cari guru yg murshid. Macam mana kita nak kenal guru yg murshid? Apakah tanda2nya? bagaimana kalau pendapat dia berlawan dengan pendapat guru2 yg lain? Siapa yg kita nak ikut?

Problem ngan orang melayu banyak yg laqleed "BUTA". Mani ikut aja. Lepas tu mati2 pertahankan taqleed "BUTA". Bilakita bagi tau Quran kata begini2 dia kata kita tak bolih faham Quran tanpa guru. Bengong jadinya.
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QUOTE(notoriousfiq @ Feb 4 2015, 06:41 AM)
Sebab para ustaz pun berlainan pendapat. So ikut lain ustaz, lain lah ajarannya. You can do whatever you want, follow whoever you want, but I don't  do taqleed. If you want to, up to you. Sebab tu ada "bagi aku" this that this that, sebab lain2 pemikiran. Fact to the matter is, Islam today is not one single teaching. Ramai orang memang berlainan pendapat. So instead of bergaduh (macam mambangafro cakap  tongue.gif ) we should accept the differences in opinion, and improve ourselves. Because in the end, a faith is your personal relationship with God, personal devotion to Him.
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rasanya benda2 kecik macam daun terup2/mandi swimming pool nie benda yg boleh dikhilafkan so long as tiada NAS(proper/authentic hadith/Quran) yang kata haram. Kalau nak dikatakan ia haram sebab lagha maka tengok org bola pun haram
ada ker ustaz nak buat unpopular remarks macam tu ?? nak pulak yg dah popular nie.


moralnya nak pilih guru bukan yg popular tongue.gif


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QUOTE(kimasapi @ Feb 4 2015, 10:21 AM)
You're correct bro, kat luar tu ada 1001 macam punya ustaz. Semua kata dia betul tapi pegangan lain2. Pernah jadi kat surau aku seorang ustaz cita daging kurban kena habiskan dalam masa 3 hari. kalau tak habis daging tu jadi haram dimakan. Selang 3 hari datang seorang ustaz lain cita pulak daging korban bolih simpan sampai bila2. Tak ke habis keliru orang2 kampong.

Ramai yg kata kita kena berguru dah plak tu kena cari guru yg murshid. Macam mana kita nak kenal guru yg murshid? Apakah tanda2nya? bagaimana kalau pendapat dia berlawan dengan pendapat guru2 yg lain? Siapa yg kita nak ikut?

Problem ngan orang melayu banyak yg laqleed "BUTA". Mani ikut aja. Lepas tu mati2 pertahankan taqleed "BUTA". Bilakita bagi tau Quran kata begini2 dia kata kita tak bolih faham Quran tanpa guru. Bengong jadinya.
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Kita sendiri kena check apa Ustaz tu ajar.
Tak boleh bulat2 terima.
Aku pernah dgr juga ceramah dari Ustaz yg guna source
dari Facebook yg mmg aku tahu news tu hoax.
Mungkin sebab Ustaz tu bkn expert dlm guna Internet,
maka dia ingat benda tu betul.

Cara terbaik apabila berlaku keliru kita check kpd
Al-Quran dan Authentic Hadith.
Itu saja cara terbaik.
Mcm setengah /k dlm ini, selalu quote dari hadith2 daif
dan palsu utk provoke Islam.
Mcm hadith 72 virgins.

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i wonder, whether the situation we're in today is party contributed by the closing of the door of ijtihad. that the reasoning of the past scholars are used to formulate rules and interpretation for present-day situation, instead of reforming the interpretation based on current scenario.

quoting wiki, if i may

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"closure of the door of ijtihad" had occurred by the beginning of the 10th century CE: "hence a consensus gradually established itself to the effect that from that time onwards no one could be deemed to have the necessary qualifications for independent reasoning in religious law, and that all future activity would have to be confined to the explanation, application, and, at the most, interpretation of the doctrine as it had been laid down once and for all."


some might argue that it does have effect towards the dynamism of islam in the modern era. whereas islam itself wont necessarily have to adapt to modernity, perfect as it is, but muslims do. we live based on laws and norms of our time anyway.

true, that none of us might comes to the level of the great imams of the past, but wont the dependency on "taqlid" kinda deny the role and function or our own rational intellect that we've been blessed with, bestowed upon us by God himself?

no flaming here, rather would love to hear opinions and feed back of others... icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Feb 4 2015, 09:24 PM)
i wonder, whether the situation we're in today is party contributed by the closing of the door of ijtihad. that the reasoning of the past scholars are used to formulate rules and interpretation for present-day situation, instead of reforming the interpretation based on current scenario.

quoting wiki, if i may
some might argue that it does have effect towards the dynamism of islam in the modern era. whereas islam itself wont necessarily have to adapt to modernity, perfect as it is, but muslims do. we live based on laws and norms of our time anyway.

true, that none of us might comes to the level of the great imams of the past, but wont the dependency on "taqlid" kinda deny the role and function or our own rational intellect that we've been blessed with, bestowed upon us by God himself?

no flaming here, rather would love to hear opinions and feed back of others... icon_rolleyes.gif
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Islam that Muhammad propagate is dead when the door of Ijtihad was slammed by unscrupulous scholars. Finding their influence diminishing these scholars with the help of the ruling caliph decided that when matter relates to religion only the Ulama/Scholars are to be consulted. Others not within their circles were considered deviant if their opinion deferred.
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QUOTE(Dozen @ Feb 4 2015, 06:40 PM)
Kita sendiri kena check apa Ustaz tu ajar.
Tak boleh bulat2 terima.
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Thank you!

Pernah baca satu post tu dari seorang ustaz di facebook yang kononnya dapat tangkap gambar jin, selepas baca surah apa lupa, pastu tiup ka apa.. Last2 kantoi cuma sebuah toy android app. topkek.. Malaysian yang kolot pemikiran semua dok percaya la ustaz tu..

QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Feb 4 2015, 09:24 PM)
i wonder, whether the situation we're in today is party contributed by the closing of the door of ijtihad. that the reasoning of the past scholars are used to formulate rules and interpretation for present-day situation, instead of reforming the interpretation based on current scenario.
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That is indeed, the issue. We are now, they are then.

I wish we all would start thinking critically. But unfortunately, many have been romanticized by the traditional teachings. Romanticized meaning not thinking critically, di buai2, di awang2an, not realistic. Tu yang ada panji hitam ni semua. So-called khalifah ni semua. Romanticized.

Of course the teaching is true. But to them, how they understood "the teaching is true" is that people are not allowed to question it. Must just follow.

Whatever it is, I just cannot agree with taqleed. I mean, some people actually believe it is forbidden to think?? Oh WOW. Like seriously. Wow. It's.. I can't even..
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QUOTE(kimasapi @ Feb 4 2015, 10:56 PM)
Islam that Muhammad propagate is dead when the door of Ijtihad was slammed by unscrupulous scholars. Finding their influence diminishing these scholars with the help of the ruling caliph decided that when matter relates to religion only the Ulama/Scholars are to be consulted. Others not within their circles were considered deviant if their opinion deferred.
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Yeah, and back then, if one differ opinion, will be tortured and killed. But how many today knows that? Still thinking back then all is good and rosey?
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The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) saw an anthill that one of the Companions had burned with fire and he said: “No one should punish with fire except the Lord of fire.” Narrated by Abu Dawood (2675), classed as saheeh by al-Nawawi in Riyadh al-Saaliheen (519) and by al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah (487).

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