Dear memberz in ICE-forum

I wanna know more how to define good sound. I have changed my car speaker today and i only find it's lounder plus a bit more clarity.

I am NOW using a AIWA HU, JVC speakers 6X9 or 3X9 ar..hahah , and one component set AUDIO-something worth RM 300 ( Tweeter, Crossover, @ Front speaker ) please forgive me i am newborn in ICEworld.

What i want is CLARITY of vocals when i hear live concerts or solo performance, not the sharp irritating sound..( which left my ears feeling uneasy today, after i turn up the volume ). And some solid BASS when i play R&B songs.. very rare in hard-metal or feng-tau songs either.

I plan to get another AMP and SUB/Woofer next month as recommended by the salesperson. He charge me RM 500 oh. He said no need expensive amp, coz AMP is AMP loh. Ishh.. .. Will it help? I don't wanna buy something not equivalent to my expected result. Plz Plz save me from slaughtering.. .. LOLz

where are u from?
you should have posted this before you got ur ICE changed. Get some advice. and do some research in order to know what you are buying. As far as I know, not many people in ICE use 6x9 speakers as they are "noisy" unless you are really patient and have good crossover to tune it. As for your component set, for RM 300 you can get a rather nice set of speakers, but what you got, you don't even know the name

Do some research before your next upgrade. there are some really good forums such as this one, and a lot more.

Welcome to the ICE world!

Does ur player come with preset eq?

if it does then u can boost the mid higher and decrease the treble if u wanted clarity from live songs.For me i always pump treble and bass as live perfomance's quality of
is not clear at norm.

give ur speaker somemore time see if there's any changes after the run in period
if no changes i recommend to change to some other more reputable brand of speakers b4 investing on an amp which will make no big difference to ur current speaker ... as the sound characteristic will not change... if u really wan some good sound....spend sometime read in forum.. not ask from the shop.. they all just wanna have profit.. not satisfaction

Give your speaker chance for 1 week to 2 weeks...

If you need Vocal, try using speaker for vocal which got 2" or 3" voice coil speaker...
For HU, I never use the eq la & bla bla function... feel sound lack natural liao

Audio? .. Audio Quart or Audio stream? RM300? ...
RM 500 for amp and subwoofers? sure no good stuff.. Cap ayam from China..

Ask some sifu here first.. Tell them wat u need / want..

This post has been edited by Amedion: Sep 3 2006, 12:13 PM

walau...amp n woofer juz rm500?????i think is cap ayam....big big amp but inside kosong d....haha......play a while then too hot d...my fren 1 4 channel rm300...play 5 minute then 1 2 off d...too hot....

izit thue 6X9 speaker is unnecessary? I thought their function was to have more 3D sound effect as salesperson said. Name of my component set ah.. .. abang and kakak replied in forum RM 350 de component set usually cap ayam. wait wait.. ..let me check if the shop still have my boz..receipt not stated means cap ayam gua.. sigh!

3D sound ?
ur salesperson is so funnay !!!

in ICE..we're talking out tonality, vocal, staging.. not 3D imaging !

perhaps he was thinking of surround sound ICE....

LOL never trust a salesperson. If they know that u know nothing, they will just crap till you believe, check out forums more. Learn a bit here and there, next time u go to a shop, u tell them something what you want and what is really true, they know u know things and they wont give u those lies anymore.

That's what I did when I went to a shop pretending to know nothing, then this salesman keep recommending me nonsence. Once i said something a bit deep, he straight "Ah, you wait ah, I ask my colleague" WAKAKAKA

try to go more reputable shops
although pricing a bit higher ( sometimes lower)
but the outcome may be much more satisfying

best is, ask that salesperson to fix and u test, don like try another speaker, try till u are satisfied

Am i allowed to do that? Fix and test ar.. ..if i test few more sure they'll kick my butt. Since it's installed, not much to fuss about. By the way, he said d component i had was a mid-speaker. What was that?

I think it's a amp plus sub-woofer he said. Is there big diff to install a sub-w comparing a woofer in a kancil. AIWA setting there can only control bass, treble and H-Bass(wat's dat), since i don't hav the boom-boom sound i'll on d H-Bass, but the boom boom is overlapping the vocals.. ..aiya how to explain. I'm sure sifu know what i meant.

As for your component set, for RM 300 you can get a rather nice set of speakers, but what you got, you don't even know the name

I have check the speaker and go back to shop and ask he says it's AUDIO-Focus.. ..cmon sifu-cai don't laugh if it's not branded ok. At least it sounds better than my previous ones. ( Trying to mindset me-self..lolz )

I wen 2 1 so called reputable shop in OldKlang Batu 7, a big big car acc shop BUT gal thr not helpful. Not even bother 2 explain, jus ask ur budget neh..then direct point a few brands. Never explain in details of functionality and make comparison in between. Installation charges very high also

Go for MB Quart. The high freq can go very loud Too loud for some but the crossover got few options for you to play around with without adjusting the treble of your HU.

I would rather stay away from MB Quart based on the threadstarter's posting that the current set sounds sharp, most probably a wiser way is to stay away from metal tweeters, THOUGH, not ALL metal tweeters would sound sharp or bright, but most MB Quart tweeters are.

To know more about ICE, why not head over to the Brothers outlet in Kelana Jaya (the big one opposite some shoplots under construction)... Look for a guy in the Audio dept. called Fui, he will be able to help you with your queries... He certainly did in my quest for getting an amp!

brothers famous in sembelih one woh..

Well, Brothers not welcome in Penang, atleast not good for most pll I know on ICE. Anyway, knowledge on ICE is the only way can help. Do more forum browsing on basic knowledge then you'll know what to look for.

If install woofer and amp, why put 6x9 at the first place, to me is a waste. This is how accessories shop make money. Sure later the clearity will effect, then they will propose new set of component speaker.

RM500 to get a amp and woofer, sure the quality won't be satisfying.

Oh Brothers ar...?
Why people keep go to Brothers leh?
Not profesional enough & no skill also, brandedprice also not cheap...still got many people install stuft there...
Maybe people like China chap balang stuft there guar...

no experienced and knowledge in ICE ... wat to do ?
ppl tend to think brothers is professional mah...can't help

never ever go to brothers, they will recommend their own brand. As if they are so good. Price also almost the same. Go to places where they sell good brands. Best is if you know the salesman or the technician/installer(is that what u call them?)

Problem with most Malaysian buyers is that they tend to freak out when they hear the names of those "Big Names Shops" as if it's known to cut-throat without even being there before. The fact is, most big name shops like ACP, KKLau, Auto Gadget or KF Audio actually have decently and competitively priced products and not just slaughter away, in fact, i would rather say the people that manage these places are far friendlier than thought and often would give a better offer.

u could haf come here first b4 u go install ur ICE.. ha! ha! u haf wasted the money u haf used in ur current ICE...

bro.. i 101% supports wat u said.. m'sian problem.. rm10-rm50 (2 compare wif those unknown shops) u spent extra but the service u get back is worth more than that instead.. anyway shops like kf audio, they do haf those lower end series (budget series)..

i dam* "7" hate those accessories shop that install amplifier wif that "aeroplane" sound.. it makes me fly high up in the sky

The thing is, aeroplane sound can come from everywhere, not just the amps. There are too many possibilities of aeroplane sound and all u need to do is screw 9 the salesman and ask him to troubleshoot till no more aeroplane sound for free.

This post has been edited by kenlimfornication: Sep 5 2006, 07:45 PM

Typical RCA sound would be ground loop and also bundling of RCAs and Power cables together, though, certain RCAs wouldn't be affected, but well, then again, usual shops would have some cap ayam RCA without much shielding anyway.

I did give my speaker a chance , it's sounds better now. Or maybe me myself oledi get used to it.

Now the problem is the tweeter.. got this sharp pitching sound when i turn the volume up. Izit faulty? Or my tuning problem with HU?

What shall i get next.. an 2 channel amp for a sub-woofer OR a 4 channel amp plus a sub-woofer OR woofer? I'm all mixed up, help me on this bor.. sifu's. What is this s-w and w thingy?

My budget for both <RM 1,000. The back 6X9 is wasted man.. ..never thought of that when i had my component set in front. Shop personnel not pro unuf to explain my needs...ishh.. .. Or anyone out there with a second hand to offer me? Jus need some boom boom onli, but plz dont sell me ROSAK item leh.

Tweeter pitching sound, try tuning. Or modify it with a resistor to cut the frequency. I can't judge from here on the tweeter faulty.

Front component set ready, the next stage I recomend go for single sub-woofer and a 4ch amp. 6x9 speaker can sell or trade in d. Coz sure it will decrease your whole ICE performace on SQ, from my own experince.

what's 6x9 and 3x9 ?

I cant find any in forum geh !!??

Got 3 X9 meh?
Only 6 x 9 speaker ma

3 x 9 ?
pretty small isn't it?

haven heard any b4

6x9 is those 3 way speakers u put behind the car.. not the boot larhh.. it is in oval shape..

3x9? got such thing

hehe..soree..jus noob.
i saw what he wrote..so i thought got lor.

6 stand for ?
9 stand for ?
x stand for multiply, rite?

speaker width = 6"
speaker length = 9"
6" x 9" just one type of speaker like below :

Thanks for ur info, loon!!
now i got the knowledge.

Wow~~nice!

But sony lot of ppl complain. hmm..