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Frozen_Sun
post Oct 21 2014, 11:31 AM

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post Oct 25 2014, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(AxeFire @ Oct 25 2014, 02:28 PM)
whats the biggest gun av8 can have?
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30mm ?
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post Oct 25 2014, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 25 2014, 02:43 PM)
Projected largest caliber weapon is 30mm only, although can also fit a 120mm mortar or anti-tank missiles.
Can see full projected variants of AV8 in pic below

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If there are subsequent R&D projects as planned.....the platform should support guns like 90mm Cockerill

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post Oct 30 2014, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 30 2014, 12:43 PM)
Bizarreness in the Middle East: PART 3

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In civil war....Union and Confederate low-ranking soldiers occasionally trade items and have short conversations during lull of battles. Perhaps this is something similar........
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post Oct 30 2014, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 30 2014, 04:14 PM)
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I wonder what the PLA will become in the next 20 years in the meantime if China's economy continues to prosper like today.
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For PLAN

Perhaps nearly comparable to US Navy, in terms of the quality and quantity of missile guided destroyers, but with far more frigates and corvettes. But, still weaker in terms of naval aviation and nuclear submarine force.
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post Oct 31 2014, 06:00 PM

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Should use larger target like derelict cargo ship or LST.....can't asses the destruction effect of Blackshark with such a small target

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post Nov 1 2014, 06:28 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Nov 1 2014, 12:11 AM)
Modern guided torpedoes won't do that much damage anyway, because the explosive charge is usually much reduced to make way for things like seeker heads and steering controls into the body of a torpedo. So I doubt a torpedo can sink a well-prepared ship nowadays. Cripple, yes,but probably don't have the power to sink a warship by itself. Although some modern torpedoes use shaped charge to maximize damage, its not like the olden days where torpedoes were unguided, but can pack as much as 1 ton of TNT into each torpedo.

Now that's firepower.
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With such a test, we actually could understand the extent of the damage.

This is Yang-class destroyer of Taiwanese Navy when being hit by SUT torpedo imported from PT DI, Indonesia
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This is Australian frigate with the same design with TNI-AL's Van Speijk class when hit by Mk48 torpedo
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post Nov 1 2014, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Nov 1 2014, 07:51 AM)
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Yes, nice, but the 'ship breaking in half when hit by torpedo' effect is actually happens only occasionally, with some very specific conditions.
Actually what happens is that the torpedo is actually detonated under or at the keel of the ship, creating a supercavitation shockwave bubble. This can actually result in 2 effects, either the hull collapses into the hollow space in the water created by the bubble or is actually pushed up with the bubble's shockwave.

Either case, the hull, temporarily unsupported by water along its length and impacted by the high volume and speed of water rushing into the bubble, can break apart quite dramatically,but ONLY if the ship is hit in a specific manner. A simple side impact directly to the hull won't recreate this effect. Of course people associate this 'breaking apart' effect with all torpedo impacts, because its so dramatic but in fact it happens only occasionally if not rarely.

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What really happens

Reference: Effect of underwater explosions
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Torpedoes like Mk48 have proximity fuse for under the keel explosion, so I think this effect can be repeated.
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post Nov 1 2014, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Nov 1 2014, 02:48 PM)
Sure it can, but I think real-life scenarios most will try to hit ship directly rather than try to achieve this effect. I think a shot direct to the propeller or steering gear is more preferable and can usually guarantee a mobility kill on the ship.
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Isn't it easier to destroy ships with torpedo using proximity fuse?

Modern ships would easily detect incoming torpedoes through its hydrophones, so they will move away from it.

Hitting the ship's propeller with contact fuse while the ship is wildly maneuvering may be difficult. The torpedo could simply swim to the general area under the keel and explode.

It may not break the ship in two.... due to the wild maneuvering, but the ship could still have serious structural damage and leaks.

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post Nov 1 2014, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Nov 1 2014, 03:17 PM)
I am still thinking with proximity fuze, only that the torpedo should be aimed for the propeller or steering gear. Most torpedoes can do both active and passive homing, but for a torpedo to use active sonar for locking onto the hull of a target is too noisy and can potentially give the target unnecessary warning. A passive mode to lock on, with the torpedo slowly following the general direction of the target ship from behind, following the sound of the propellers before going full speed from close range can give a much nastier surprise to the target. This can be helped by the fact that the wake of the ship is rarely monitored by ship's sonar due to the interference noise of the propellers themselves.

Also the fact that the propeller and rudder is relatively fragile and can be destroyed quite easily as they are quite exposed.

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That would be similar to the use of G7es TV acoustic torpedo by U-boat in WW2....hit rate more than 50 percent.

But with modern torpedo.......

I think the procedure is to fire the torpedo with wire guided instruction to general area of the ships and then the torpedo switches to passive homing to approach the targets quietly...and when it gets quite close to the target...the wire is cut, the seeker becomes active and the torpedo swim at max speed to pursue the target....

Maybe LTZ could confirm whether this is true..... smile.gif
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post Nov 1 2014, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Nov 1 2014, 03:59 PM)
These video should answer some of your questions


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Yes....the interception point and countermeasure detection information is transmitted through the wire and the torpedo enters the full-active, high-speed mode at the terminal phase. But, there's no passive homing phase in the video.
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post Nov 2 2014, 06:45 AM

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Nov 2 2014, 06:19 AM)
Yup...... no ships can escape from heavyweight torpedo....it is designed to weaken the structure & break it to 2 parts.
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Powerful enough to break a brand new 12,000 tons coast guard ship? biggrin.gif
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post Nov 2 2014, 09:59 AM

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I think using remote-controlled target ship with running engine and some fuel in the tank will be criticized due to potential environmental risks.

So, perhaps that's the reason we never see this performed. Even US never did that, even if they have the money and technology to do that.

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post Nov 3 2014, 06:16 AM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Nov 3 2014, 01:16 AM)
9 US ships cancel port calls to Subic
Traders cite anti-American sentiments over Laude slay

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In this Oct. 17, 2014, photo, a US marine walks inside the USS Peleliu, where US Marine Pfc. Joseph Scott Pemberton
was said to be detained after allegedly killing Filipino transgender Jeffrey “Jennifer” Laude at the Subic Bay free port,
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That marine guy could be secretly paid a huge amount of money by Chinese intelligence agency to hunt and kill transgender whistling.gif
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post Nov 3 2014, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Nov 3 2014, 10:57 AM)
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POLRI now has been mimicking IDF tactic of "encouraging" its attractive female policewomen to appear in the public. These photos are surely endorsed by their public relation department.

QUOTE(waja2000 @ Nov 3 2014, 11:23 AM)
hopefully Indonesia will buy Typhoon soon。 biggrin.gif
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Typhoon has serious readiness problems in Germany and Spain.

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post Nov 3 2014, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(G3-X @ Nov 3 2014, 02:33 PM)
Lepas Landas ?
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Lepas landas = take off
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post Nov 4 2014, 08:31 PM

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post Nov 4 2014, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Nov 4 2014, 03:53 PM)
The turret still looks ridiculously tiny given the small size of the tank. biggrin.gif
I don't see the turret actually giving much protection against a hit. I also doubt the combat staying power due to the fact while the tank can hold 32 shells, the auto-loader can hold only 12 shells at a time. If the magazine runs out, the crew had to reload it manually (from outside the tank,no less!!).

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AMX-13 is a light tank and it is not designed resist shells fired by other tanks. But the upgraded AMX-13 should resist 25mm or 30mm fired by IFV.

In field situation, AMX-13 will be better suited to support infantry to fire HE shells on infantry emplacements...or with HEAT shells as IFV/APC killer.

Besides, 105mm gun is no longer suitable to damage modern MBT,
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post Nov 5 2014, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Nov 5 2014, 10:39 AM)
Quad-packed Sea Ceptor....so each Bung Tomo ship may have the ability to carry up to 64 Sea Ceptor missiles

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post Nov 5 2014, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Nov 5 2014, 03:56 PM)
quadpack is only for sylver vls, the bung tomo (and our lekius too btw) use the british GWS-26 vls designed only for 1 sea wolf per hole , so i dont see how sea ceptors can be quadpacked

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our gowinds could possibly get the sylver though  sweat.gif , but hopefully we get mk41 for essm  drool.gif
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GWS-26 can support CAMM Sea Ceptor?

I think Sea Ceptor can be launched only from SYLVER and Mk 41

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