we no $$$$ .....

any how, we no military power to fight with China, just need to admit it..

Can't make an exception? It is not a real war condition, just patrols against unarmed boats from Phillipines. So the ship can still afford to be at full stop when recovering and launching helicopter.

Also as I said, Bunga Mas 5 would probably be a pain in the butt to land helicopters on, due to the landing pad in the middle of the ship in front of the superstructure, not unlike stern landing pads which gives a clear descent angle for the helicopter coming in to land. So Bunga Mas 5's helicopter must be mindful to keep constant speed as he descends if not the entire Bunga mas 5's superstructure is liable to crash into him if he slows down too much and she ship keeps going.


Helicopter usually lands like this, not straight down. Probably easier to do on stern landing pads with no obstruction, clear run to slowly descend onto landing pad. How do Bunga Mas 5 chopper pilots do this while the bridge superstructure is constantly bearing down behind them is beyond me. A slight miscalculation by either chopper and ship would probably result in the whole superstructure crashing into the helicopter at speed

Damn scary, can't imagine how they do that

So not all AV8 are amphibious due to different weight? hahaha that's ridiculous design flaw right there

Strange if FNSS and Deftech haven't factored it all during design phase. Lack of amphibious ability in some variants still seems like a significant handicap for the AV8 to me. AFAIK all AV8 hulls are by default amphibious, but some variants can cause the ability to be removed? sounds like design oversight to me.

Another reason for my argument for Malaysia to start by developing simpler, purpose-built AFVs instead of the (in my opinion, way too ambitious) AV8, which to me could probably give problems to established military-industrial countries,nevermind Malaysia. We still cannot/would not produce basic indigenous  combat vehicles such as light humvee-like trucks or good armored car (hey whatever happened to AV4?),suddenly we want to build advanced IFV with 12 variants?

It's like trying to start by running when you're not even sure you can walk.

If not amphibious 1 bridge over river destroyed=all apc useless

Aim for the stars and even if u fail u land on the clouds right

U see if iran can copy f5 and upgrade without the design plans, we should probably be able to make f20 with the design plans right, afterall we have around the same economy size and we are (maybe) more high tech

These day it is darn hard to kill a morden ship with torpedo given all the counter measures available.
not only that the detection range of the ship have greately improve as well.

Actually it is quite easy to kill with asm.
you just need to spam asm.
there is a limitation for fcs anyway.
There were also stealthy, sea skimming, agile and high speed type of asm under development. These new generation can reduce the response time greately.
scary stuff for navy imagines if you have only 10sec to counter the asm threat.

Ya i was referring to militarymadness saying standard use infrared tracker not radar, not possible to use infrared tracker only for a 100+km missile ma

Quad-packed Sea Ceptor....so each Bung Tomo ship may have the ability to carry up to 64 Sea Ceptor missiles