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 How to know if you been cheated at AIRCOND SHOP?, I got scammed? first time repair aircond

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Quazacolt
post Aug 24 2014, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(marczeman2 @ Aug 23 2014, 09:35 PM)
it's my first car, but it's 1999 secondhand wira  laugh.gif
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a cooling coil ori denso is around 400-500+
not including labor to remove your glove box and troubleshoot (as nightstalker1993 mentioned) or use solvents to attempt to clean (if not leaking) etc

older iswara/wira shared almost all the same components in the air cond system
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post Aug 24 2014, 11:14 PM

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reminded me of my aircond trip last time (lol compressor/magnetic clutch exploded and had melted plastic bits all over my engine bay)

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post Aug 25 2014, 12:43 AM

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If case is not cold(not like yours no gas), it could be condenser or cooling coil or the whole system clogged with gunk from wear and tear. If that's the case, usually cooling coil and condenser will first try to clean with special chemical, if after 2~3 rounds still dirty as hell, change straight away. And if really really teruk, compressor also might need to change. On some recond compressor with warranty, the t&c for warranty is 'warranty void if compressor fluid black' sweat.gif
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post Aug 25 2014, 12:54 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 24 2014, 11:00 PM)
some food for thought:
an entire aircond system with ALL original denso parts for a 1999 iswara cost 2-2.4k ish.
not including labor/aircond gas etc

a Mitsubishi compressor ONLY for a lancer/inspira cost rm4k+ (SC price) part alone

depending on what needs to be replaced, you can get an idea on why air cond are expensive and why they should be serviced appropriately as it can save you hefty repair bills in the long run as opposed to replacing the entire part.

so if you think an aircond workshop is cheating you, think again.
when in doubt, go for second opinions before proceeding and most importantly go to legitimate workshops authorized dealers (eg: denso authorized dealer) or even SC

while you definitely need to pay more especially on the labor side, chance of them cheating you is a lot less and complaints/claims against them should shit happen/they actually cheated you is a lot more effective than against no name workshops (they don't have much to lose)
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Going to service centers aren't exactly risk-free though.
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post Aug 25 2014, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(Nightstalker1993 @ Aug 25 2014, 12:54 AM)
Going to service centers aren't exactly risk-free though.
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yeap agreed.

there are reported incidents/forum threads that mentioned on service centers cheating as well.
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post Aug 25 2014, 02:01 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 24 2014, 11:14 PM)
reminded me of my aircond trip last time (lol compressor/magnetic clutch exploded and had melted plastic bits all over my engine bay)

http://twitpic.com/photos/Quazacolt?page=24
the money shots:
http://twitpic.com/bl49d9
http://twitpic.com/bl49ii
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QUOTE(Nightstalker1993 @ Aug 25 2014, 12:43 AM)
If case is not cold(not like yours no gas), it could be condenser or cooling coil or the whole system clogged with gunk from wear and tear. If that's the case, usually cooling coil  and condenser will first try to clean with special chemical, if after 2~3 rounds still dirty as hell, change straight away. And if really really teruk, compressor also might need to change. On some recond compressor with warranty, the t&c for warranty is 'warranty void if compressor fluid black' sweat.gif
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thanks guys. maybe i didn't pay that much after all.. blush.gif

btw he didn't fit me with a Denso cooling coil, he installed a Paco one (rm370, and expansion valve rm85). When he showed me my old cooling coil he showed a lot of dirt and some stains which he said was a sure sign of leaking.

anyway it's been a full day, aircond still very cold. hopefully this time it lasts. biggrin.gif
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post Aug 25 2014, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(marczeman2 @ Aug 25 2014, 02:01 AM)
thanks guys. maybe i didn't pay that much after all.. blush.gif

btw he didn't fit me with a Denso cooling coil, he installed a Paco one (rm370, and expansion valve rm85). When he showed me my old cooling coil he showed a lot of dirt and some stains which he said was a sure sign of leaking.

anyway it's been a full day, aircond still very cold. hopefully this time it lasts.  biggrin.gif
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Continue update here bro
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post Aug 25 2014, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(marczeman2 @ Aug 23 2014, 09:35 PM)
it's my first car, but it's 1999 secondhand wira  laugh.gif
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I think proton still can service that car. If you need to go back to the same shop a few times, please consider changing the shop. No point going to the same shop.
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post Aug 31 2014, 06:20 PM

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UPDATE: Aircond f***ed again all of a sudden. It's been one week. Yesterday still cold, today suddenly not cold at all, blowing hot air.

Now what?
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post Aug 31 2014, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(Nightstalker1993 @ Aug 25 2014, 12:43 AM)
If case is not cold(not like yours no gas), it could be condenser or cooling coil or the whole system clogged with gunk from wear and tear. If that's the case, usually cooling coil  and condenser will first try to clean with special chemical, if after 2~3 rounds still dirty as hell, change straight away. And if really really teruk, compressor also might need to change. On some recond compressor with warranty, the t&c for warranty is 'warranty void if compressor fluid black' sweat.gif
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bro now again my aricond is gone, all of a sudden not cold. gas leak again?

btw the first mechanic i went to was saying something about me driving too fast and pressure building up so the the gas was intentionally leaked by the compressor to relieve the pressure.. (idk if i understood him correctly). he was trying to explain to me why my aircond was not cold all of a sudden instead of gradually. I am already out of money lol now how icon_question.gif

And to make matters worse, I lost the receipt (it was in bag which was stolen recently). rclxub.gif
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post Aug 31 2014, 06:33 PM

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check your condenser fan if it running or not. Check your filter drier with looking glass on it if you can see liquid movement. Your aircond cold while your car is moving and hot when you stop at something let say traffic jam?
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QUOTE(marczeman2 @ Aug 31 2014, 06:20 PM)
UPDATE: Aircond f***ed again all of a sudden. It's been one week. Yesterday still cold, today suddenly not cold at all, blowing hot air.

Now what?
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Lol typical so typical, good luck Liao. Next will be compressor followed by condenser drier valve basically entire system will get changed without knowing exact problem lollololol
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post Sep 1 2014, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(marczeman2 @ Aug 31 2014, 05:20 PM)
UPDATE: Aircond f***ed again all of a sudden. It's been one week. Yesterday still cold, today suddenly not cold at all, blowing hot air.

Now what?
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Please just go to the Proton service center, if they repair once and it fails they will not charge you double. This already happened 3 times to you and you are just wasting more money than a service center would have charged. These guys are scammers , never trust random service men especially for aircond.
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QUOTE(marczeman2 @ Aug 31 2014, 06:24 PM)
bro now again my aricond is gone, all of a sudden not cold. gas leak again?

btw the first mechanic i went to was saying something about me driving too fast and pressure building up so the the gas was intentionally leaked by the compressor to relieve the pressure.. (idk if i understood him correctly). he was trying to explain to me why my aircond was not cold all of a sudden instead of gradually. I am already out of money lol now how  icon_question.gif

And to make matters worse, I lost the receipt (it was in bag which was stolen recently).  rclxub.gif
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Did the mech say your aircond system had lost pressure?

If yes, looks like you got a leak somewhere else that both of your mechs failed to discover. It could even be the compressor itself. And the compressor relieving the pressure is pure bull.

I've seen a compressor leak at this area before.
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By the way, how did the fella check for leaks? Did he use the soap water method? If he used the soap water method and still fail to find the leak, you need to get some UV dye into the system and pressurise it again, then check few days later when the pressure is gone. If the mech doesn't have the UV dye, you can contact thundergod_cid for the aircond treatment+uv dye, but that means you still need to spend money in order to spend more money sweat.gif

QUOTE(anantha92 @ Sep 1 2014, 01:28 PM)
Please just go to the Proton service center, if they repair once and it fails they will not charge you double. This already happened 3 times to you and you are just wasting more money than a service center would have charged. These guys are scammers , never trust random service men especially for aircond.
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they are not scammers, just either inexperienced or new in the biz. And most 'service centers' are in a way just approved workshops, still operated by private owners.
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post Sep 2 2014, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 24 2014, 11:00 PM)
some food for thought:
an entire aircond system with ALL original denso parts for a 1999 iswara cost 2-2.4k ish.
not including labor/aircond gas etc

a Mitsubishi compressor ONLY for a lancer/inspira cost rm4k+ (SC price) part alone

depending on what needs to be replaced, you can get an idea on why air cond are expensive and why they should be serviced appropriately as it can save you hefty repair bills in the long run as opposed to replacing the entire part.

so if you think an aircond workshop is cheating you, think again.
when in doubt, go for second opinions before proceeding and most importantly go to legitimate workshops authorized dealers (eg: denso authorized dealer) or even SC

while you definitely need to pay more especially on the labor side, chance of them cheating you is a lot less and complaints/claims against them should shit happen/they actually cheated you is a lot more effective than against no name workshops (they don't have much to lose)
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Wahhh..our lala aircond so expensive!! Can get other cheaper brands? How do you naintain aircond anyway, other than refilling gas? You only refill gas ifbit leaks right, otherwise, the aircond will stay cool. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(marczeman2 @ Aug 31 2014, 06:20 PM)
Now what?
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the place i went to isn't cheap, but it sure as hell got ANY air cond job i've sent there done perfectly every time.

and their own "kpi" is that every car leaves there with less than 10 Celsius degrees on the thermostat mounted on the air cond vents.

the kancil gotten like 3 Celsius while the iswara went as low as 0.x c (pretty damn close to subzero lol) and the picture taken was 1.4 Celsius degrees with water condensation forming as additional proof as well lol.
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post Sep 2 2014, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Sep 2 2014, 08:47 AM)
Wahhh..our lala aircond so expensive!! Can get other cheaper brands? How do you naintain aircond anyway, other than refilling gas? You only refill gas ifbit leaks right, otherwise, the aircond will stay cool. hmm.gif
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compressor runs on oil as well:
user posted image
similar to car's engine oil.

overtime you'll need to drain/replace, or even top up if there's reduction/loss in oil (eg: lots of usage especially under hot afternoon sun and you always have the air cond at maximum coldness temperatures to induce more compressor load)

typical compressor checking/refill/replace is 40-80k km or 1-2 years whichever comes first, or depending on budget. people tend to neglect this element, and only make noise when it's not working, and usually a LOT of noise because parts are VERY expensive.

not to mention, if the workshops/aircond shops are inexperience (eg: fail to troubleshoot on the first time properly), don't expect the layman to know any better as evident in this very thread.
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Normally the shop will not con anyone because bad name can spread fast. Unfortunately the shop rely on bad air-con man. I don't think the person is really trained. Just basic knowledge with convincing talk .
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 2 2014, 09:55 AM)
compressor runs on oil as well:
user posted image
similar to car's engine oil.

overtime you'll need to drain/replace, or even top up if there's reduction/loss in oil (eg: lots of usage especially under hot afternoon sun and you always have the air cond at maximum coldness temperatures to induce more compressor load)

typical compressor checking/refill/replace is 40-80k km or 1-2 years whichever comes first, or depending on budget. people tend to neglect this element, and only make noise when it's not working, and usually a LOT of noise because parts are VERY expensive.

not to mention, if the workshops/aircond shops are inexperience (eg: fail to troubleshoot on the first time properly), don't expect the layman to know any better as evident in this very thread.
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Fark.....the Proton SC never recommend me to change this....3 yrs+ liao....my mileage just exceed 4xk now.
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Sep 2 2014, 10:04 AM)
Fark.....the Proton SC never recommend me to change this....3 yrs+ liao....my mileage just exceed 4xk now.
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good ma, that means proton not cheating you ma rolleyes.gif

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