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 Team Vodafone McLaren Mercedes V2, Malaysia GP Qlfy: Heikki P3, Lewis P4

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post Sep 19 2006, 04:23 PM

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The tendency of getting killed in F1 is high in the past. But, thanks to current safety standard, rules and technology, it has indeed becomes safer.

Schuey might be one of the best if not the best. But, he equally has some many incidents and 'dark sides' that might not go down well with some of the F1 fans.

There are a lot 'if'. What if the accident didnt happen on Senna? What if this and what if that...... but, facts still remain, which no one can change. For that, you need someone who is better than him to break all his records. Time will tell.

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QUOTE(verx @ Sep 18 2006, 03:49 PM)
A good driver definitely needs a good car but fariz isn't wrong to say that MS brought Ferrari to where they are now. When he went to Ferrari with his team from Benetton (Todt, Brawn, etc) he was tasked to change their fortunes; Ferrari hadn't won anything for a very very very (hehe) long time. Needless to say, he succeeded with aplomb (after a few years of course) and he deserves all the success he has had.
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I didnt say that fariz is wrong, I am just not quite agree with his/her statement. smile.gif Look back at what had happened last year, when Ferrari suffering from the tyre problem. People are questioning his skills compared to Mclaren and Renault that had better package to race on.. It is obvious, a car is definitely require to every drivers out there.

Technology is growing everyday.. take Ipod for example, last year they have ipod video, and this year Ipod shuffle mini. It's the same thing applies to Ferrari, their car is getting better and better.. if there is no improvement, there is definitely no ferrari today. smile.gif

We are not comparing the old days he had in Benetton, back at that time driver still not quite rely heavily on the realiability of car. every team sports that we are talking now is not only a one man team, but a TEAM! One man shows is not going to work things out...

I agree with linkinstreet, Schumy is a good driver, but he is not yet the best in F1. smile.gif
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post Sep 19 2006, 04:34 PM

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I do agree with u, Kimmy on some of your points. One man cant work magic. Say, if MS was in the now-defunt Arrows, I dont think he got the magic to turn that team around and clinch the championship.

You needs tonnes of $$$$ in F1 to develop a good competitive car. You need some talented engineers, aerodynamic specialists, strategists like R Brawn, and so forth to build up a good team. Just like McLaren in the golden days. Then, the tyre issue. A bad tyres will slow the car down. Just like the miserable 2005 for Ferrari. sweat.gif

To say 1 person's acheivement is rather inappropriate. 'Team Work' isn't said for fun. Dont think Rambo can 'kawtim' all of his heavily armed enemies by himself too. Cheers. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Kimmy @ Sep 19 2006, 04:23 PM)
I didnt say that fariz is wrong,  I am just not quite agree with his/her statement. smile.gif Look back at what had happened last year, when Ferrari suffering from the tyre problem. People are questioning his skills compared  to Mclaren and Renault that had better package to race on.. It is obvious, a car is definitely require to every drivers out there. 

Technology is growing everyday.. take Ipod for example, last year they have ipod video, and this year Ipod shuffle mini. It's the same thing applies to Ferrari, their car is getting better and better.. if there is no improvement, there is definitely no ferrari today. smile.gif

We are not comparing the old days he had in Benetton, back at that time driver still not quite rely heavily on the realiability of car.  every team sports that we are talking now is not only a one man team, but a TEAM! One man shows is not going to work things out...

I agree with linkinstreet, Schumy is a good driver, but he is not yet the best in F1.  smile.gif
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I don't think anyone questioned his skills. It was pretty clear Ferrari didn't have a good package last year.
IMO F1 has always been a team sport. In sporting essence that has never changed over the years. What i was trying to point out is if Schumi (together with his team) didn't join Ferrari in 1996, Ferrari wouldn't be the team they are today. They could even be still waiting for their first driver's title in over 20+ years. It's all speculation of course and it's no use thinking any more about it.

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QUOTE(verx @ Sep 19 2006, 08:39 AM)
I don't think anyone questioned his skills. It was pretty clear Ferrari didn't have a good package last year.
IMO F1 has always been a team sport. In sporting essence that has never changed over the years. What i was trying to point out is if Schumi (together with his team) didn't join Ferrari in 1996, Ferrari wouldn't be the team they are today. They could even be still waiting for their first driver's title in over 20+ years. It's all speculation of course and it's no use thinking any more about it.
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Yes, ppl (please note that, only certain, not everyone) questioned his skills, this I read from the papers. But, I never question his skills, because that is obvious Ferrari not as compatitive as they were that time.

As I pointed out, Technology is getting better, Ferrari is getting better and better.. and Schumy's team is in the right time to work it out with Ferrari. So, I would rather say they both (ferrari and Schumy's team) work together.. but not Schumy built the name of ferrari! smile.gif
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QUOTE(Kimmy @ Sep 19 2006, 05:10 PM)
Yes, ppl (please note that, only certain, not everyone) questioned his skills, this I read from the papers. But, I never question his skills, because that is obvious Ferrari not as compatitive as they were that time.

As I pointed out, Technology is getting better, Ferrari is getting better and better.. and Schumy's team is in the right time to work it out with Ferrari. So, I would rather say they both (ferrari and Schumy's team) work together.. but not Schumy built the name of ferrari!  smile.gif
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OMG build the name of Ferrari!? I don't think anyone in their right mind would try to imply that. Ferrari as a brand was established way before F1. I think u just misunderstood the point that was being made. Schumi brought success in F1 back to Ferrari after they got 'lost' for a number of years. He and his team built the foundation on which that success is based on, not the name!! I'm kind of a traditionalist person and i would never say something like that. smile.gif
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QUOTE(verx @ Sep 19 2006, 09:18 AM)
OMG build the name of Ferrari!? I don't think anyone in their right mind would try to imply that. Ferrari as a brand was established way before F1. I think u just misunderstood the point that was being made. Schumi brought success in F1 back to Ferrari after they got 'lost' for a number of years. He and his team built the foundation on which that success is based on, not the name!! I'm kind of a traditionalist person and i would never say something like that. smile.gif
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Sorry, I was referring to what fariz said : Schumy built to what Ferrari is today.. I mean name in F1.. that is what I am trying to point out he is not the one to built what ferarri is today in F1!

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Sep 19 2006, 04:23 PM)
The tendency of getting killed in F1 is high in the past. But, thanks to current safety standard, rules and technology, it has indeed becomes safer.

Schuey might be one of the best if not the best. But, he equally has some many incidents and 'dark sides' that might not go down well with some of the F1 fans.

There are a lot 'if'. What if the accident didnt happen on Senna? What if this and what if that...... but, facts still remain, which no one can change. For that, you need someone who is better than him to break all his records. Time will tell.

*passing teh o ais to all heated forummers here* Cheers, bro.
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Todt, Brawn and Schummi is what makes Ferrari what it is today. Nobody can deny that, and there are not many driver that can do that today, but I see sign of that in Alonso already. He and his engineers are always the ones that are working the hardest in Renault, and it was no secret that it's because of that Fisico can never be as fast as him in the same car. What makes him different for Schummi is that, he works for the best of the team, and thus he would share new parts with Fisico (he always say that he regards Fisi as the first driver of the team, even with him being the champ), while schummi will usually have the prioty
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shumi is good but aint the best. he was lack of sportsman ship nodoubt about it.
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post Sep 20 2006, 12:33 AM

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Too bad for Lewis, his debut in an F1 car will be tomorrow instead of today because of rain
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Lewis Hamilton is eagerly awaiting his second day of being behind the wheel of a F1 car, after his first day with McLaren didn't go quite according to plan.

Hamilton was unable to complete a timed lap of the Silverstone circuit when he made his F1 debut on Tuesday as track conditions and technical issues aspired against him. However, the 2006 GP2 Champion was still able to conduct a shakedown, which included doing nine laps, and he loved every moment of it.

"What a feeling, I couldn't stop smiling when the team fired up the engine this morning!" the Brit said.

"Although Tuesday's shakedown has just been to familiarise myself with the car, complete radio checks, practice manual launches and that kind of thing, the experience of driving the McLaren Mercedes MP4-21 is just fantastic. I cannot wait to put in more mileage and really find the limits of the car."

"It has been a great year for me to date, and alongside winning the GP2 Championship I have worked hard to ensure the team feels I am ready to have this test. It is going to be an intensive couple of days with the test team and I am looking forward to starting the test proper Wednesday morning."

Hamilton will test alongside Pedro de la Rosa at the Northamptonshire track on Wednesday.
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Lewis Vs Pedro.
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post Sep 21 2006, 08:50 AM

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I bet Ron will go for Lewis due to his outstanding performance and age. Err....maybe size too since Lewis is quite small. hahaha
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post Sep 21 2006, 09:35 AM

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the first black F1 driver if he can make it next season.
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"Hamilton's full test debut"
http://f1.racing-live.com/f1/en/headlines/...920202327.shtml
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McLaren Mercedes completed their first day of testing today at Silverstone, after giving a short familiarisation run to Lewis Hamilton yesterday.

Pedro de la Rosa's focus today has been on Michelin work for the Japanese Grand Prix, with additional set-up programmes for China and Japan alongside the tyre evaluation.

The session saw Lewis make his test debut and the team continued to focus on the familiarisation programme of the MP4-21 and the testing process.

"I am really pleased to have made my full test debut with Team McLaren Mercedes today at Silverstone," said Hamilton. "It has been a positive session, working through more systems checks with the car during the day, with my focus on this rather than going for times.
It is a steep learning curve, and as a result I am making sure I get the most out of my time with the test team and the engineers. It was great to be able to stretch the legs of the MP4-21 round Silverstone, the car is fantastic to drive, even more so as I am doing longer runs than yesterday and you can actually start to build up a proper rhythm."

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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 21 2006, 09:35 AM)
the first black F1 driver if he can make it next season.
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I think he'll make it next season.
Since he's already good with GP2.
GP2 with aids OFF? tongue.gif
F1 all aids ON...so should be easier for him tongue.gif

Since McLaren haven't announce their 2nd driver yet, if he outshine Pedro then
he might be McLaren's 2nd driver.

I'll support him rather Alonso tongue.gif

Imagine him wheel to wheel with Kimi in a race rclxm9.gif
A Master Vs the apprentice rclxms.gif
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anybody got pics of him? brows.gif kanakui r u sure he is black? laugh.gif lets hope there is black american in F1 in the future. rclxms.gif
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black american?
black is black.
Originated from Africa.
Their roots.



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He's british.....
You guys never heard of him?
QUOTE(wikipedia)
Lewis Carl Hamilton (born January 7th 1985 in Stevenage, Hertfordshire, United Kingdom) is a British racing driver. After winning several karting championships, Hamilton was signed by McLaren on a development contract at the age of 12. This has given him invaluable support for his racing career. He has also raced in British Formula Renault in his career, and was European kart champion in 2000.

He later won the 2005 Formula Three Euroseries racing for the dominant ASM team, having raced in the category in 2004 for Manor Motorsport using the superior Mercedes-Benz engine. In 2006, he joined ART Grand Prix team in the GP2 Series as a replacement for the previous year's champion Nico Rosberg. His performance in the GP2 Series has been impressive. At the European GP2 event he won both races, becoming only the second driver (after Nico Rosberg) to do so in the series history and won at Monaco from pole. He repeated his double win at Silverstone becoming the first GP2 driver to win both heats at 2 races. On 9 September 2006 he won the GP2 title, beating Nelson Angelo Piquet and outperforming his more experienced team mate Alexandre Prmat.

He has frequently been tipped to be the first driver with Afro-Carribean heritage in Formula 1, possibly as early as 2007 [1]. McLaren boss Ron Dennis, who has a long-term contract with Hamilton, has said that he has turned down possible advertising campaigns focusing on Lewis' ethnicity, though Lewis has filmed for an television advertisement, along with Jamie Green, dressed as other drivers. Hamilton has expressed his desire to race for McLaren in 2007, but it remains to be seen if McLaren will want someone with so little experience to partner 2005 World Champion Fernando Alonso. It is more likely that he will be placed at another team to gain experience before his eventual McLaren debut.


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