we will suffering for few month coz new season will start on march 2007.
for we is long period but for the f1 team maybe short coz they need to improve everything to keep the car fast n stable.

hope new year will be a great grand prix to every driver but more important is mclaren's driven coz all here is mclaren's fans

hahaha classic ad use 2 c that ad in tv3 during season 2000

That makes two (2) of us.
I think Massa might be in it too.
Ferrari has a fast car.

No disrespect but is Hamilton were as good as Senna during his early racing life?
If yes, then he might make an impact in Formula 1 in 2008.

It makes me sick when people here calling names, patronizing, flamebaiting
calling others 'an ass' etc.
Let's make a decent discussion here.

Educate ourselves here:

Formula 1 Results Archive (1950 / 2006)

Michael got 2nd place in the WDC twice...1997 and 1998.
Quite competitive in 1996 and 1999.
I don't think Ferrari has a lousy car with all those achievements.
That's just a lame excuse.
The points were quite close.

Kimi haven't race in a Ferrari yet and you already patronizing him.

Go Kimi...broke all Schumi's record and let your driving do the talking.

Had enough with Schumi.
Glad he retires.
Sometimes he makes me sick

Kimi all the way.

This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 18 2006, 04:16 PM

Good say brother.. only idiot will call people idiot.. and only an ass will call people ass...

He sound we all know nothing about F1.. and he know everything about F1.. oh man.. cool.. he don't even talk fact that saying Ferarri giving a pre-contract to Kimi... wow.. know so much about F1.. yeah!

Attitude...it's all about attitude.
I can counter though but then it would never ends

In the end, moderators will suspend account etc.
I choose not to experience that anymore
30% is enough for me

I agree wt u 100%..

atitude..u are right..

as u see.. I try not to counter as well..

I am 0% anyway..

It makes me sick when i get accused for nothing. Your comment earlier was a ridiculous assumption and i just gave my opinion on it.
The only reason why Ferrari were better in 1996 onwards was because Schumi went to the team but Ferrari were by no means competitive before that. The circumstances are so different if u want to compare to now where Kimi is joining a very competitive team which should be challenging for the title next season.

I'm not patronizing Kimi, I'm just stating that Kimi won't be able to emulate what Schumi did regardless how good a driver Kimi is. I've always like Kimi since his Sauber days but he's no Schumi.

pfft...What a cheap shot....your post is as hypocritical as it gets. You have contributed nothing at all to this thread, preferring to flamebait ppl here. When u come up with something better then post here.

This post has been edited by verx: Sep 18 2006, 05:00 PM

actually, saying that kimi will be better den ms if he wins nex year is overstating it..comparing, when ms went into ferrari, ferrari was bout midfield runner..bnut kimi's now moving into a top team..so, saying that it took ms 2 yrs to win the wdc, compared to if kimi wins nex year is not d same..if kimi were to enter say...sauber or williams, and win the wdc, den ok..game on, can compare..imo..

Lewis H. is talented. If DLR gets to keep his seat, then we will be seeing Lewis in 2008. Chances is slim for DLR, though.

No disrespect but I think you are a Schumi fanatic.
If critised Schumi a bit...then immediately don't agree etc.
Better stay at the Ferrari thread.
All good and nice about Schumi and Ferrari.

I think McLaren fans won't easily get jumpy when I say that Kimi better than Schumi.
He is better IMHO.
No controversial act so far...just like Mika.

Yeah.
DLR not really up to it.
I guess some drivers were gifted..and some are not.

Ayrton Senna was a gifted one.

This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 18 2006, 07:04 PM

interesting u say this..i can't stand schumi's guts...but i have to hand it to him..he's broken evry single record in the books, as dirty as he is..

I feel the exact same way. As controversial as Schumi has been, he has been the best driver.

And don't mind the Kimi fanboy.
Criticise Kimi abit...immediately don't agree
He should go to Ferrari thread and start warming up to the ppl there since that's where he'll be spending most of his time praising his idol.
I wonder how the Ferrari fans over there will take to him.
and he should bring his cheerleader BuFung along as well

dirty?
Finally you admit it
Some Schumi fans won't admit it.
They see black as white

That's why I don't like him.
Yes he's a great driver...but by crook?
Not my thing.


Is this McLaren thread of Ferrari thread?
Let's continue talking about McLaren.

Ferrari fans...Ferrari thread is just around the corner

verx,
I'm ignoring you now

This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 18 2006, 09:59 PM

Smartest thing u've said all day.

You cant compare the two drivers, they are different.. nowadays, you are not only looking at their skills, but also rely on a reliable car. Look at last season.. Mclaren and Renault were so strong.. because they have got a better package and tyre. It is impossible to compare them.

MS built the Ferrari? Mm.. sorry, I dont quite agree with that statement. A good driver needs a good car to race on. Put it this way, they need each other to build a better team.

A good driver definitely needs a good car but fariz isn't wrong to say that MS brought Ferrari to where they are now. When he went to Ferrari with his team from Benetton (Todt, Brawn, etc) he was tasked to change their fortunes; Ferrari hadn't won anything for a very very very (hehe) long time. Needless to say, he succeeded with aplomb (after a few years of course) and he deserves all the success he has had.

Yes.
Good driver + reliable car = success.
Always two..a master and an apprentice
Seriously, both needed one another.
See how Kimi was so close to become world champ in 2005?
If not because of reliability issues.

Ayrton Senna were able to handle a crappy car efficiently.
So as Kimi.

I'll say schummi is a good driver, but still not the best. His acheivements are overhyped. for one, all of his records are set when F1 drivers have more races to drive, and more points to gain. Remember that during the times of Prost and Senna, winners will only get 9 points. Now they got 10.

Thus the only thing that he really can boast about is Win/GP entered.

Look at the comparison of Poles
Schummi - 68/247 = 27%
Senna - 65/162 = 40%!!!

the numbrs does not tell the bigger picture. Fangio won 5 WC when he was near 50! If F1 had started earlier than 1950, he could have easily won more. Not to mention that he also raced in many more races like the Mille Migilia rally. Schummi cannot compare to that.

Impressive conclusion.
The quality of Senna's record.
Superb.

Also, Michael broke those records after Prost retired and Senna died.
We cannot lie to ourselves by saying those two were not the best.
They were legends.

If they continue racing and Senna did not die...we can never know how
Michael do.
Anyways, the past is the past.
In my heart (and I bet others too) Michael is not the best.
Ayrton Senna is.

This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 19 2006, 12:31 AM

I agree with u there.
His records and numbers are overblown with the current structure of F1.
It's the reason why i don't care so much for records. Do i think Schumi was better than Prost or Senna? Hell no. But no one will deny he has been the best driver of the modern era which was the point i was trying to make earlier.

edit: also a big point to note is that during the earlier years it was much more dangerous to drive and the racers were really heroes in a sense to put their lives at risk for their love of the sport

This post has been edited by verx: Sep 19 2006, 12:37 AM