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derail
post Feb 23 2015, 08:51 PM

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For those who practise extended OCIs, do you use better oil filters or swap the filters out btwn oil changes? How much oil is lost by dripping out?
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post Feb 24 2015, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Feb 23 2015, 10:38 PM)
i personally just change oil filter half way through (not going extreme extended oci anyways, in our weather and cheap labor, and no waste disposal restrictions, just not worth it.)
for iswara, oil loss is around 200-300ml, sentra much less as the oil filter size is much smaller than iswara's oil filter.
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I agree that really long OCI (~25k km) isn't suitable for our climate and stop-go mixed urban driving.
Would 10k with a filter change in between or 6 months (whichever comes first) be more reasonable, using a ordinary semi-synthetic like P2/Shell.
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post Feb 24 2015, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Feb 24 2015, 11:05 AM)
if those semi synthetic are api sn, sure why not smile.gif

official SC's are practicing 10k km/6 months even with semi synthetic these days btw wink.gif
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Ah ok.

Anyway I'm out of the loop regarding Japanese brands of engine oils sold locally. Would the Eneos/Idemitsu 5w-30 4L semi-synthetic be good quality oils? If I heard it right over the phone, the prices are RM95/75 which is close to the usual P2. Or is the Idemitsu price too suspiciously low (recycle)?
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post Feb 25 2015, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Feb 24 2015, 07:35 PM)
feel free to query the API directory:
https://engineoil.api.org/Directory/EolcsSearch
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There doesn't seem to be entries for UMW's pennzoil or P2 engine oils.

And I assume that the Eneos/Idemitsu oil that Malaysian stores are selling are imported from Japan otherwise there aren't any entries for Malaysian subsidiaries either.
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post Feb 25 2015, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Feb 25 2015, 11:23 AM)
usually cheaper/rebranded Eneos/Idemitsu are from Singapore, you may query eneos and idemitsu brands and they are API certified nod.gif
pennzoil is also API certified, just not most of UMW's outdated products lol

p1/p2 rebranded are from petronas, they typically aren't certified, however you can just go straight to the source: petronas which are API certified.
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The Eneos one looks to be this: JX NIPPON OIL & ENERGY CORPORATION (Japan)
Idemitsu: Idemitsu Lube Asia Pacific Pte. Ltd. (Singapore)
I don't think the Petronas certification can automatically carry over to the Petronas label because we don't know for sure what else is blended in there or that the formulation is up to API spec. Kind of surprise though, because I overlooked the lack of the API seal till now.
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post Feb 26 2015, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Feb 25 2015, 02:00 PM)
yeap you are correct, the certification does not carry over.

i was referring to just use petronas brand straight away instead laugh.gif
their semi should be petronas syntium 800, however various feedback is that it isn't as smooth as other brands (especially the boutique/performance brands) and it is a bit expensive for being rather "mediocre".
nevertheless you can't go wrong with it considering the proper certifications/tests nod.gif
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I bought the Eneos semi-syn and the bottle didn't have the API certification logo. Forgot to check the Idemitsu products. Yeah the perodua/petronas is mediocre but easily available and generally safe from fakes which is why I use them often. What other semi-syn/mineral brands are considered mediocre and poorer value for money from butt-dyno feel? Shell helix? Bardahl?


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post Feb 28 2015, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Feb 26 2015, 04:08 PM)
ya if they aren't certified, they are not allowed to print/use the logo.

perodua depends, but since their sc using, should be safe as well.
petronas is the one with official api certification, and yes you can get from SC or petrol stations.
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Thats strange if they don't use the logo if the oil is certified. Petronas engine oil at the petrol station don't have any certification logos either.
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post Feb 28 2015, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(newneo @ Feb 27 2015, 09:03 PM)
anyone here have any feedback about platinum oil SS 10 40?
Malaysian Brand.
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No idea but another local company Hyrax has up to date API certifications.
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post Apr 14 2015, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(cylow0411 @ Apr 12 2015, 01:55 AM)
so you think it might not a original product or what?
then any recommended engine oil?
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Lets see... all you have is a sparse website littered with grammatical errors. The website claims ISO/API certs so why don't you call or email them to provide you with links to the certification?
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post May 15 2015, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ May 14 2015, 01:38 AM)
*most* reputable companies just have 1 blend la.
similar to how most global cars have "1 platform" and it is just trim level difference (eg: inspira/lancer all have heaters and it made zero sense having heaters in our country laugh.gif )

the manufacturing process/RND/licensing for multiple blends = $$$ and spending more $$$ = less profit
if you did not know, having different blend = new license for API, and while it isn't expensive (to big oil companies anyways) to re-license it, it is a hassle nonetheless.

hopefully i've gotten your attention for API.
http://www.api.org/certification-programs/...ditionfinal.pdf
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I left the missing API certification logo question hanging a while back, so have you noticed the missing logos on popular engine oil products?
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post May 16 2015, 07:47 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ May 15 2015, 02:27 PM)
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=73190126
this?

i haven't really visited petronas.
however from here:
https://engineoil.api.org/Directory/EolcsRe...Name%3Dpetronas
they are certified anyways.
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Not just Petronas but every popular brand I've seen. One obvious omission on the API website would be UMW's pennzoil. And the local Shell products unless the Helix sold in Malaysia is all imported from US/Japan.

https://engineoil.api.org/Directory/EolcsRe...mpanyName=shell
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post May 20 2015, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ May 17 2015, 08:30 PM)
Just went to Petronas, they didn't print the logo but it is written instead :
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Yeah I already know that and it wasn't what I was getting at. What I'm saying is that there are popular products like UMW pennzoil, Mobil 3000 without official API certification or logos on their products but are labelled as SM/SN anyway.
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post May 24 2016, 06:06 PM

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Staraj at ss19 is selling Bardahl MXP semi-s+fs engine oil for 20-30% cheaper than the price list on cycar.com. I didn't know it was cheaper than the list price until later. Should I be wary about the cheaper price.
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post May 24 2016, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ May 19 2016, 09:41 PM)
haha I intend to also, I have semi of 5w30 10w30 and also mineral of 10w40, I wonder can I mix up and use up one shot, just change earlier only. Any articles can read on this ah. Ill just use it and change earlier lo, maybe half of my usual interval Ill change d. I mean Im sure it is still better than running on good quality oil but 6 months in the car already right
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I think the API spec calls for compatibility btwn different brands that meet the same spec.

From this API consumer guide, it says that mixing different oils should be ok. I'm not sure what the "maintain performance" part implies, hopefully it doesn't mean that the mix will have degraded performance below the lowest service grade of the mix.

http://www.apicj-4.org/2009_engine_oil_guide.pdf
"If you find it necessary to mix brands
of oil, use the same viscosity grade
and API service category to maintain
performance."
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post May 24 2016, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ May 24 2016, 06:45 PM)
Try as much as possible but even if mix maybe 5w30 and 10w30 still better than using a 6 month old engine oil is it? Or I'm wrong.
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I don't know exactly what you are asking here. Waiting a whole year to do an oil change wouldn't be good if you're doing short distance driving and lots of idling. Cutting the oil change interval half using a mix would be better.

 

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