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allenultra
post Jun 28 2016, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jun 28 2016, 11:50 AM)
Sorry I was under the impression they don't have those info on the bottle. Apparently they do.

What type of base oil do they use? Group I or II or III?
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Fosser isn't care aboout API, they do not sell in US market anyway.
As for ACEA, they are. Else they will not be liable to put the sticker on their products. I'm sure you know that the business practice in Europe is different than here.
Malaysia local brands, even though if they have API but the oil that they sell might not be the one that they sent for certification. Well NASA have API, does JTX have API too?
How reliable is API? As they do not audit the plant, which ACEA do.

As for Fosser Premium VS 5w40, we been told they are using Group IV base oil.

Another information that actually validate the minimum quality of Fosser by Duran Oil would be the manufacturer certification.
Unless someone doubt Mercedes Benz.

Most of the Fosser oils either MB229.1, MB229.3 or MB229.51 certified.

https://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/229.3_en.html
https://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/229.51_en.html


* I'm not trying to do advertisement here, that's why I keep my thread in the garage sales. It just someone who tried the product that we imported and share their experience here. Its engine oil discussion anyway. Suddenly someone accused him of shitty advertisement. A non technical person will not know all those ACEA/API or whatever group of base oil being used to produce. Thanks anyway to naveenkalai7

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post Aug 24 2016, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(peejayboy @ Aug 20 2016, 10:23 AM)
Hey there, was just wondering if Honda service centres do not sell engine oils for walk-in customers?
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Afaik, their 0w20 being sold in drum, not in bottle. Perhaps that one of the reasons that they are not selling to walk-in customers.
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post Dec 8 2016, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(OKLY @ Dec 7 2016, 12:01 PM)
So if they state they have met API/ACEA/JASO specifications, just trust them?
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If you have Mercedes Benz, can refer to their approved lubricant.

https://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/229.3_en.html
https://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/229.51_en.html

At the same time, you could compare the standard between Mercedes Benz, VW, Porsche, BMW using the comparison tool here.
https://online.lubrizol.com/relperftool/pc.html
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post Jan 6 2017, 08:14 AM

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QUOTE(springfall @ Jan 5 2017, 12:59 AM)
so basically it's fraud, as in they list their product as mb229.5 approved.. when it's not.
heck, when i'm free I think I better dig up all their approvals and see if its legit

now i'm a little tempted to make a product report to laz, since exn themselves just delete the post and no explain
but has anyone even heard of /used exn before?
or product just jual tinggi but just normal mineral oil?
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The salesperson came to me. Asked them the same thing.
Cannot answer me.

And their atf oil impressive, atf 6-speed and Cvt oil = one type.


To me, I will avoid them at all cost.


Manufacturers paid a lot by sending a lot samples to Mercedes for testing to obtain the approval, so it isn't that easy to obtain it. Exn? I doubt so

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post Jan 6 2017, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(springfall @ Jan 6 2017, 10:04 AM)
made a full product report to laz, along with all their other products with MB/MB approved listing quite a few tbh
Also made a recommendation to remove their 5 star top seller as technically no feedback can be given to them since they delete all bad reviews.

Looks like im back to helix ultra once again (never gone wrong after 10 years, should be ok lol)
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There are many MB229.5 and MB229.51 approved lubricant in the market.
Ravenol, Rowe, etc which are good too IMO.

I have friends ditch Helix Ultra 5w40 for Germany lubricant due to cheaper price tag and better performance
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post Jan 6 2017, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(voscar @ Jan 6 2017, 10:44 AM)
This...
We have seen multivehicle fully-syn ATF on market...
Multi-CVT ATF AIO oil could be the world's first!
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That's why I greet the salesman, and never reply him anymore.

Afaik, ATF multi for 5-speed and below. ATF 6-speed. CVT.
Mercedes 7speed before year 2010, 7 speed after year 2010.
ZF 8-speed, 9-speed. DSG oil. Syn 75w90 for dry clutch DSG.

The one like you mentioned, the world first
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post Jan 26 2017, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(delsoo @ Jan 25 2017, 12:37 AM)
I sent my car to service yesterday . The mechanic said the oil lveel is too much and release some of it . The oil level is exactly between min and max , which means max , right ? The mechanic keep saying that the oil level is too much , causing my car to become under power.

What is the best level of the engine oil ?
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I would if no engine leaking/oil consumption issue, just fill it to just above min level. Perhaps between min and max.

When too much oil, car become "heavy"
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post Jan 26 2017, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(delsoo @ Jan 26 2017, 02:05 PM)
Normally what is the best level of the oil ? between the min and max level ? or fill it up to max level .
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For my own car, I just fill it just above minimal level.

Most customers would think if you fill at minimal level, mechanic tipu oil.

Thus most mechanic will fill up to max level
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post Jan 26 2017, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(delsoo @ Jan 26 2017, 08:03 PM)
Will  it  hurt  the  engine if  always  top  up  to  min  level  only ?
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Unless the engine oil consume engine oil, else I dun think so.
To be safe, between min and max
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QUOTE(Hexane @ Feb 5 2017, 10:46 PM)
hello sifus and all. i wanna ask something, im driving a honda insight 2011 model. currently using honda engine oil fully synthetic 0w-30 with hamp oil filter but planning to change to other alternatives

im planning to get bosch 5w30 fully synthetic and use bosch honda oil filter while im at it

the reason im asking is because honda insight is a hybrid and suggested 0w-20 but all 0w-20 is damn expensive with suggested 5000km usage by honda due to our climate. if every 5000-6000km change the 0w-20 honda oil, thats a bit too much. thats why im using the 0w-30 currently, pushing it to 10,000km

just so happened i know someone who accidentally got his insight oil changed to Liqui Moly 10w-40 MoS2 last time. he said nothing feels wrong or different. every feels the same - the consumption, smoothness and even the pomen said the engine looks just as clean when he changed after around 6800km

so i was thinking. if the 0w-20 is suggested only for morning startup and fuel saving. i might as well go for 5w30 as its not much of a difference in usage and protection wise should even be better

not sure if my logic is good or not, need advice from sifus. and oh another question, is it okay for me to try and get 11,000-12,000km on my current EO and filter? i drive the honda insight at 1,000-2,000rpm cruising with max 4,000rpm when overtaking oni. doing around 4,000km per month
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Avoid the Bosch 5w30. Its being blended in Singapore (by don't know who), and its not available worldwide.
Its cheap but feedback not good, even the Bosch seller themselves not using it after tried one oil change interval.

Honda 0w20 is cheap, aftermarket 0w20 is expensive though.
AFAIK, 0w20 in SC all in drum format. Not sure if they sell in 4litre packing to aftermarket.

I would suggest your idea, try a reputable 5w30 fully synthetic. Perhaps those with longlife if you looking for longer OCI.
Those with MB229.3/MB229.5/MB229.51 or BMW Longlife-01/04 or VW 502/505 approved/recommended spec.
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QUOTE(vanguard @ Feb 15 2017, 11:53 AM)
This should be a pinned post. Look at approved specs only.

Shell Helix HX-5 is a semi-syn that has MB229.3, VW 502/505. Many 'fully-syn' on the market sell for RM200++ with NO CERTIFICATION. So yes, the RM120 HX5 semi is actually better than many fully-syns on the market.

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Why? Manufacturer specs are far and away harder to pass than API SN. Relatively few oils are able to pass MB 229.3 - see https://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/229.3_en.html  even fewer for https://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/229.5_en.html

229.3 is sufficient for normal aspirated engines
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To add in some.

1. Helix HX-5 does not have MB229.3 approval. HX-6/HX-7/HX-8 do, but those are blended in UK. The one blended in Malaysia? Not sure. It should beat flat some of the cheapo fully synthetic but not those proper one. Many European engine oil flooding into the market now (if you get the genuine one), they all obtain ACEA approval.

And again without manufacturer certification, doesn't mean it isn't good. Most European EO manufacturers do not bother about API as they not venturing into US market, thus they focus on ACEA (it is a must to have to have a factory in Europe) and manufacturer certification such Mercedes/BMW/Porsche/VW but I see most of them give priority to Mercedes as compared to others.
The same apply to US oil company who are not venturing into European marques cars (but again, if they aim to be big but do not bother about vw/merc/bmw approval? ehm....)

API is easier to obtain as compared to ACEA and manufacturer approvals.
Manufacturer who obtain ACEA, plant operation need to be audited periodically. API? AFAIK, no.


And ya, MB229.3 equivalent spec of lubricant shall fulfill bmw longlife-01, porsche A40 and VW 502/505 specification too. Not just NA but suitable to most turbocharged engines in the market.

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Feb 15 2017, 01:31 PM)
Because you can easily and publicly query for verification /references smile.gif
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Accessbility helps in marketing, it might not directly translate the EO specification. Perhaps MB prepare the list to avoid companies making false claim of certification.

IMO, its more on the Mercedes standard requirement towards the oil as compared to other manufacturers requirement.
Lubrizol Relative Performance Comparison shall answer perhaps why most oil makers prioritize Mercedes oil specification except the VW 504/507, which is even better than the MB229.51
https://online.lubrizol.com/relperftool/pc.html

Every certification incur high cost, and every oil maker shall prioritize on highest engine oil specification they could meet.

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post Feb 15 2017, 03:59 PM

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VW 504/507 only being released for the past few years and only handful of cars require it. Notably Gallardo LP 570-4 Superleggera.

Mass market oil makers are not producing oil fulfilling MB229.51 nor BMW Longlife-04 as most vehicles not require in on the road. Let alone VW504/507

And if you compare MB229.3, BMW Longlife-01 and VW 502/505 (which suit most of the cars on the road), MB does have very high requirement.
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QUOTE(vanguard @ Feb 16 2017, 10:34 AM)
HX7 does meet the following:
Specifications: API SN/CF; ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4; JASO SG+; MB approval 229.3; VW 502.00/505.00; GM LL-A/B-025; Renault RN0700, RN0710. Meets the requirements of Fiat 9.55535-N2 and 9.55535-M2

RM120, no worries...........

I would still trust a manufacturer that goes through the certification process - at the same price point. Even Petronas, Chinese oils got MB approval so no excuse...
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Meet vs approved. Two different things.
But again, Shell shall not "cheat" if they put "meeting", just that they din send for certification (cost involved) but many unknown engine oil maker simply put "meeting the requirement", how valid will their claim be?

I met a local brand owner, he mentioned the brand that they are selling meeting MB229.5 specification because their supplier (base oil and additives) mentioned that if blend according to their formula, it shall meet the particular specification. And he said by putting "meeting the requirement", manufacturer cannot sue them.
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