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post Jun 28 2016, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(naveenkalai7 @ Jun 28 2016, 10:58 AM)
i found the details in their web and im using it personally.. nobody doing shitty ads here.. and everyone sharing their own experience so do i..

If you want the cert then ill give you the distributor's contact so you can ask them..
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Reputable oil company would love to put their API or ACEA or JASO info on their product to show they have nothing to hide. Red flag are raised when they don't. Common sense.

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post Jun 28 2016, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(naveenkalai7 @ Jun 28 2016, 11:23 AM)
They put the API and ACEA in their website. And thats why i give a try for it..  not blindly went and tried it for sake of saving money bro.. even they put the TBN rate too..
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I am a skeptic. I will only use oil that have those rating on the bottle itself. Who knows, may be this company make 2 types of oil? One with API and one without API for 3rd world country?

So curious to know, do they have API on the bottle you used?

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post Jun 28 2016, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(naveenkalai7 @ Jun 28 2016, 11:41 AM)
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Here is the photos bro.. hope it answered your question bro..
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Sorry I was under the impression they don't have those info on the bottle. Apparently they do.

What type of base oil do they use? Group I or II or III?

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post Jun 28 2016, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(allenultra @ Jun 28 2016, 12:32 PM)
Fosser isn't care aboout API, they do not sell in US market anyway.
As for ACEA, they are. Else they will not be liable to put the sticker on their products. I'm sure you know that the business practice in Europe is different than here.
Malaysia local brands, even though if they have API but the oil that they sell might not be the one that they sent for certification. Well NASA have API, does JTX have API too?
How reliable is API? As they do not audit the plant, which ACEA do.

As for Fosser Premium VS 5w40, we been told they are using Group IV base oil.[COLOR=red]

Another information that actually validate the minimum quality of Fosser by Duran Oil would be the manufacturer certification.
Unless someone doubt Mercedes Benz.

Most of the Fosser oils either MB229.1, MB229.3 or MB229.51 certified.

https://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/229.3_en.html
https://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/229.51_en.html
* I'm not trying to do advertisement here, that's why I keep my thread in the garage sales. It just someone who tried the product that we imported and share their experience here. Its engine oil discussion anyway. Suddenly someone accused him of shitty advertisement. A non technical person will not know all those ACEA/API or whatever group of base oil being used to produce. Thanks anyway to naveenkalai7
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Your information likely to be wrong because a 5W40 made from Group IV can no way be called "premium". Group IV is lousy base oil so the 5W40 must also be lousy. It's so bad that I am pretty sure your car manufacturers will void your warranty if you use them.

That's assuming you are right about it using Group IV base oil

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post Jun 28 2016, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 28 2016, 03:14 PM)
have you read through the first page of this thread bro?
I saw you only put API and ACEA logo on that page. Can also consider putting JASO there.


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post Jun 28 2016, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 28 2016, 03:34 PM)
there is JASO for bikes however details for their passenger vehicle lubricant is a bit lacking for now
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I think they are into diesel engine oil.
http://www.jalos.or.jp/onfile/jaso_e-3-1.htm

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post Jun 28 2016, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(sanadi @ Jun 28 2016, 03:32 PM)
How is Group IV oil bad?
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I reckon they are OK if you are using that for making 15W40 oil but not if it's a 5W40. The range is too wide.

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post Jun 28 2016, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(sanadi @ Jun 28 2016, 04:54 PM)
Group IV is PAO. Mobil 1 0W-40 is PAO. PAO are better than Group II & Group III. GTL Group III is almost as good as PAO.

PAO has very high viscosity index, therefore its viscosity is less affected by temperature compared to Group II. So I'm wondering how can you say Group IV is not good.
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My mistake. I got it the other way around. Thanks for pointing it out.

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post Jun 28 2016, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Jun 28 2016, 05:02 PM)
If you're assuming that group 5 is the best, then I do not agree to this statement. It all depends on application and for normal driving, group 5 could be harmful to your engine as it is hygroscopic, meaning it attracts water. If you race, nevermind as you throw away after a few runs. But on normal driving, with extended change intervals, the benefits are almost negligible at best against PAO. (complete reading the attachment for a crash course on base oils)

There are plenty of brands using group 3 and 2 in the markets and many cars are running fine with that.

http://www.synmaxperformancelubricants.com...resentation.pdf
Finally you're back, starting to machine gun people  sweat.gif

Anyway, something you can consider to pin on front page if it serves the purpose in the knowledge of engine oil analysis.

http://www.enginebuildermag.com/2016/06/10...m-oil-analysis/
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My apology. My mistake. I got it wrong the other way around.
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post Jul 23 2016, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(Thrust @ Jul 22 2016, 04:28 PM)
That's a clean looking engine. I believe if you change oil frequently, the engine internals will be clean no matter what oil you're using.
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I think people are unnecessarily paranoid about engine oil and I was too before. At the end of the day, I believe if you use the correct viscosity and the correct grade and stick to manufacturer's OCI, nothing catastrophic will happen. I have a diesel engine with 350K on the odometer and a friend have 500K and we both been using Mineral Oil from Day 1. And engines still don't consume oil so far.





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post Jul 26 2016, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(mayalab @ Jul 26 2016, 07:47 PM)
Yes, you still need to change despite running 2k only.
Some of the better grade fully synthetic oil can last for 1 year in engine, but most products on market have effective lifespan of ~6 months in engine.
Hope it helps.
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Then how come in European country the official OCI is 12 months?

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post Jul 26 2016, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jul 26 2016, 09:21 PM)
safest always good to stick with your car manual and/or the oil's recommendation though i would think that the car manual should take precedence.

that said, despite how "advanced" and crazy how amsoil did with their 40k km on the signature series, they only allow the oil to sit in the engine for 1 year.
using that as a baseline/benchmark, i think 6 months is a fairly good decision.

that said, a LOT of european cars do have higher oil capacities and that could be the main factor on them allowing much longer OCI, be it mileage and/or period.
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I was told the Isuzu DMAX car manual states 20K OCI.


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Many people sort of claimed one need to use Fully Synthetic for mere 10,000 km. But I have friends using Mineral in turbo charged diesel for 10K or 15K OCI and never have any problem. Now here's a mineral claiming 80,000 km OCI.

http://<link removed>/2016/07/28/caltex-delo-...e-oil-launched/

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post Jul 29 2016, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(voscar @ Jul 29 2016, 01:24 PM)
Is their ISOSYN similar to fully synthetic performance? Group 2+ oil?
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We have been using ISOSYN oil for many many years. 5K, 10K and even 20K OCI and so far none of us have engine oil related problem. AFAIK, they were the first to comply with JASO standard for Japanese diesel.

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post Aug 4 2016, 07:09 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 4 2016, 01:19 AM)
Synthetic or mineral/conventional oil?
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/f641390cba421...uly_2016.01.pdf
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Most studies shows while Fully Synthetic will increase fuel economy slightly, it still doesn't justify the extra cost.

Many many people goes around saying if you wanted to do 10,000 km OCI, you have to use Fully Synthetic (Base Oil). Personal, for just 10,000 km OCI, that's an urban legend to me. That's why our group of friend have always been using conventional good quality 15W40 for our diesel and none ever encountered problem that's engine oil related with 5K, 10K and sometime 20K OCI.


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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 4 2016, 07:48 PM)
personally i'd say its up to one's own usage la, and of course, the general logic of "you get what you paid for" and you do pay premium for more premium products and whether its worth it or not, that's up to individuals.

if anything, if they can afford more/better protection, or their usage requires it, why not right?
now why would i?

For vast majority of people buying Fully Synthetic they are not using the superior cold temperature and extreme heat advantage of FS. It's like getting an Eskimo to buy a refrigerator.


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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Aug 5 2016, 12:00 PM)
Of course 0w20 will have some fuel savings against 10w30, not because it is fully synthetic but because it is a thinner oil. My diesel workhorse back home also change from xW40 to xW30, i get about 3% additional mileage.
You are either very brave or your car's manufacturer said you could.

For mine, the manual clearly said xW30 is only for ambient temperature up to 30 deg C.



 

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