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post Jul 19 2014, 11:39 PM, updated 12y ago

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KUALA LUMPUR, July 15 — Popular religious scholar Datuk Dr Mohd Asri Zainul Abidin has waded into the Adolf Hitler controversy today, writing in an opinion piece that the Nazi dictator “might have been right” in exterminating the Jews.

Despite admitting that not all Jews are bad, the former Perlis mufti insisted that Jews in general have a bad record, as proven by their many trickeries and betrayals, including against Prophet Muhammad.

“We are not anti-certain races, or blindly anti-Semitic like Hitler or previous Europeans. But if we see the betrayals and wicked acts of the Israeli Jews, those are not a new or odd thing for them.

“There might be truth behind Hitler’s belief,” said Mohd Asri in his article on news portal Astro Awani.

Mohd Asri claimed that Hitler’s rhetoric against the Jews and move to exterminate the community were widely-supported at that time by the German public.

He also claimed that Hitler was not first to believe that the Jews were “destructive”, listing down German Protestant leader Martin Luther, the Spanish, the Portuguese, and the Catholic church as others who mistreated the Jews.


“Why did the Europeans unite in believing that the Jews were an evil race? The answer, is whether the belief was superstitious, or it was based on their experiences with the Jews,” suggested Mohd Asri.

“If the answer is the first, then the Jews were truly a persecuted race.

“[But] if the answer is the Jews had historically destroyed human lives until the Europeans feared them, then the cruel and brutal acts of Hitler had indirectly reduced the harm that the Jews pose to Europeans and the rest of the world, even if they were cruel and unacceptable.”

He claimed that the Christian Churches have long had their suspicion of Jews, which however ended with the establishment of anti-Semitic laws which granted the Jews “invincibility”.

Mohd Asri also listed down the times that Jews had betrayed the Prophet Muhammad, which finally led to them being exiled after plotting to overthrow Muhammad’s rule.

However, the scholar insisted that Islam does not declare wholesale that all Jews are evil, saying that one of Muhammad’s wives was a Jew, while one of his companions, Abd Allah Salam, was also a Jew who converted into Islam.

“Generally, the Jews have a bad record. But this does not deny the possibility that there are good people among the Jews. But the record of the Jews generally, is of course bad,” said Mohd Asri.


A check by The Malay Mail Online later showed that the article was originally written by Mohd Asri on 2009 before being republished by Awani today.

However, the religious scholar posted updates in a similar vein on his Facebook page today.

Last week, Barisan Nasional MP Datuk Bung Moktar Radin made waves in the international media for tweeting a salute to Hitler following a win by Germany in a World Cup semi-final match.

He later apologised after Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak ordered him to retract the tweet.

Both Najib and German Ambassador Holger Michael had declared the remark “unacceptable”.

Austrian-born Hitler was the leader of Nazi Germany between 1934 and 1945, and was at the centre of World War II.

Hitler was also behind the Holocaust, the mass extermination and execution of millions of European Jews in concentration camps.

Some Muslims worldwide, including in Malaysia, have publicly expressed their admiration for Hitler for executing the Jews.

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Hitler Kejam Ke Atas Yahudi Tapi Kenapa Diterima Ketika itu?
Kita tidak dapat setuju dengan kekejaman Hitler, cumanya di samping kekejaman yang disandarkan kepada Adolf Hitler, persoalan yang patut ditanya, mengapakah kempen Adolf Hitler bahawa Yahudi adalah bangsa yang bahaya, telah merosak dan mengancam Jerman, mendapat sambutan ketika itu?
Ketika Hitler baru cuba muncul dalam politik Jerman pada tahun 1919, walaupun beliau seorang pemidato yang baik, beliau belum terkenal dan hanya beberapa orang sahaja yang hadir mendengar ucapannya. Namun selepas itu, apabila beliau membangkitkan dalam ucapan-ucapannya isu anti-semitic atau anti Yahudi, rakyat Jerman mula membanjiri ucapannya dan menyokong gerakannya membenci Yahudi.
Apabila Hitler dipenjarakan pada tahun 1923 selama sembilan bulan, beliau menulis bukunya yang terkenal Mein Kampf. Sejak awal penulisan buku tersebut, Hitler menegaskan bahawa penderitaan ekonomi yang dihadapi oleh bangsa Jerman yang ketika itu adalah berpunca dari kejahatan Yahudi. Perasaan kebencian terhadap Yahudi dihidupkan dalam buku tersebut.
Sebenarnya, Hitler bukanlah orang memulakan kepercayaan bahawa Yahudi adalah bangsa perosak. Pada 1542, pemimpin agung Prostestan Jerman, Martin Luther telah menulis tentang pembohongan dan kemerbahayaan Yahudi dalam bukunya Against The Jews And Their Lies. Pada kurun yang ke-14, Sepanyol dan Portugal memaksa masyarakat Yahudi hidup secara terpisah dari bukan Yahudi.
Pada 1516, di Venice, Itali, pihak Gereja Katholik memerintah agar dibina tembok mengelilingi penempatan Yahudi yang dinamakan dengan Ghetto. Yahudi tidak benarkan keluar pada waktu malam sehingga menjelang fajar. Masyarakat awam Kristian ketika itu percaya bahawa Yahudi adalah bangsa yang jahat dan beramal dengan ilmu hitam.
Pembinaan ghetto kemudiannya telah berkembang ke seluruh Eropah. Maka Yahudi Eropah dikepung disebalik tembok ghetto, atau pekan-pekan khas hanya untuk mereka. Mengapakah masyarakat Eropah ketika itu bersepakat mempercayai Yahudi adalah kaum yang jahat?
Jawapannya, samada kepercayaan itu adalah khurafat, atau mereka mempunyai asas pengalaman dengan Bangsa Yahudi. Jikalau jawapannya yang pertama, Yahudi adalah memang bangsa yang teraniaya.
Jika jawapannya, Yahudi memang dalam sejarahnya telah bangsa merosakkan kehidupan manusia sehingga menjadi ketakutan kepada masyarakat Eropah, tindakan kejam atau rakus Adolf Hitler, sekalipun kejam dan tidak dapat diterima, namun ia secara tidak langsung mengurangkan jumlah kemerbahayaan Yahudi kepada masyarakat Eropah khususnya dan dunia amnya.
Pun begitu Islam tidak mengiktiraf kekejaman sekalipun ke atas Yahudi. Setiap individu tanpa mengira latar bangsa hendaklah dihukum secara adil dan saksama.


Malay mail news twist it from this article.

https://www.facebook.com/DrMAZA/posts/10152623293357990

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post Jul 19 2014, 11:57 PM

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Unfortunately, our records also aren't that good nowadays mr ex mufti
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Dr Asri only say the Jews have always have bad reputation in history. He never condone what Hitler did.

i see nothing wrong with that.
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QUOTE(puppeto4 @ Jul 19 2014, 11:57 PM)
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what are you referring to? hmm.gif
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Can anyone show me an article that says martin Luther hated the jew?
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Oh. So it's right to destroy an entire race because of their so-called "tricks and betrayals". Please, have you seen what so-called Muslims are doing around the world? You might not call those extremists as your fellow brothers, but they claim to follow your religion. Would the world be justified in destroying all Muslims then?

Stupid logic.
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QUOTE(Meis @ Jul 20 2014, 12:00 AM)
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He meant the suicide bombers that cry "Allahu Akbar" before pulling the trigger, the Boko Harams and other extremists who claim they are doing it for Islam.
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QUOTE(shrimp.kebab @ Jul 19 2014, 11:57 PM)
Dr Asri only say the Jews have always have bad reputation in history. He never condone what Hitler did.

i see nothing wrong with that.
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They don't stress much on comprehension in vernacular schools, sadly.
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QUOTE(ray123 @ Jul 20 2014, 12:06 AM)
Oh. So it's right to destroy an entire race because of their so-called "tricks and betrayals". Please, have you seen what so-called Muslims are doing around the world? You might not call those extremists as your fellow brothers, but they claim to follow your religion. Would the world be justified in destroying all Muslims then?

Stupid logic.
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QUOTE(shrimp.kebab @ Jul 19 2014, 11:57 PM)
Dr Asri only say the Jews have always have bad reputation in history. He never condone what Hitler did.

i see nothing wrong with that.
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Hitler Kejam Ke Atas Yahudi Tapi Kenapa Diterima Ketika itu?
Kita tidak dapat setuju dengan kekejaman Hitler, cumanya di samping kekejaman yang disandarkan kepada Adolf Hitler, persoalan yang patut ditanya, mengapakah kempen Adolf Hitler bahawa Yahudi adalah bangsa yang bahaya, telah merosak dan mengancam Jerman, mendapat sambutan ketika itu?
Ketika Hitler baru cuba muncul dalam politik Jerman pada tahun 1919, walaupun beliau seorang pemidato yang baik, beliau belum terkenal dan hanya beberapa orang sahaja yang hadir mendengar ucapannya. Namun selepas itu, apabila beliau membangkitkan dalam ucapan-ucapannya isu anti-semitic atau anti Yahudi, rakyat Jerman mula membanjiri ucapannya dan menyokong gerakannya membenci Yahudi.
Apabila Hitler dipenjarakan pada tahun 1923 selama sembilan bulan, beliau menulis bukunya yang terkenal Mein Kampf. Sejak awal penulisan buku tersebut, Hitler menegaskan bahawa penderitaan ekonomi yang dihadapi oleh bangsa Jerman yang ketika itu adalah berpunca dari kejahatan Yahudi. Perasaan kebencian terhadap Yahudi dihidupkan dalam buku tersebut.
Sebenarnya, Hitler bukanlah orang memulakan kepercayaan bahawa Yahudi adalah bangsa perosak. Pada 1542, pemimpin agung Prostestan Jerman, Martin Luther telah menulis tentang pembohongan dan kemerbahayaan Yahudi dalam bukunya Against The Jews And Their Lies. Pada kurun yang ke-14, Sepanyol dan Portugal memaksa masyarakat Yahudi hidup secara terpisah dari bukan Yahudi.
Pada 1516, di Venice, Itali, pihak Gereja Katholik memerintah agar dibina tembok mengelilingi penempatan Yahudi yang dinamakan dengan Ghetto. Yahudi tidak benarkan keluar pada waktu malam sehingga menjelang fajar. Masyarakat awam Kristian ketika itu percaya bahawa Yahudi adalah bangsa yang jahat dan beramal dengan ilmu hitam.
Pembinaan ghetto kemudiannya telah berkembang ke seluruh Eropah. Maka Yahudi Eropah dikepung disebalik tembok ghetto, atau pekan-pekan khas hanya untuk mereka. Mengapakah masyarakat Eropah ketika itu bersepakat mempercayai Yahudi adalah kaum yang jahat?
Jawapannya, samada kepercayaan itu adalah khurafat, atau mereka mempunyai asas pengalaman dengan Bangsa Yahudi. Jikalau jawapannya yang pertama, Yahudi adalah memang bangsa yang teraniaya.
Jika jawapannya, Yahudi memang dalam sejarahnya telah bangsa merosakkan kehidupan manusia sehingga menjadi ketakutan kepada masyarakat Eropah, tindakan kejam atau rakus Adolf Hitler, sekalipun kejam dan tidak dapat diterima, namun ia secara tidak langsung mengurangkan jumlah kemerbahayaan Yahudi kepada masyarakat Eropah khususnya dan dunia amnya.
Pun begitu Islam tidak mengiktiraf kekejaman sekalipun ke atas Yahudi. Setiap individu tanpa mengira latar bangsa hendaklah dihukum secara adil dan saksama.

what he actually post.
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Adolf Hitler - The greatest story NEVER told

decent stuff and interesting

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showpost.php?p=3...40&postcount=72

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sigh i usually agree with Dr Asri's views but he should have steered clear of any references to Hitler...
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He not even born yet... How did he know all this before his time...
Not a smart talk...
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Sad to hear this.

He was one of the few Islamic scholars I respected.
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This ppl just assume Hitler hates Jews can be sama kaki already. If he had it his way, Melayu will hilang di bumi man. That time u see la your common grounds on hating Jews is relevant or not?

He should talk to the old ppl in Europe about how Hitler was. Unfortunately most are either dead of old age or something. The only idea u get about what he has done are only the stories that are left behind. And how is it more accurate than religion? Its not even thousands of years old and has pictures.

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So Bung is korek?

Damn, we all own him a public apology now...
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QUOTE(shrimp.kebab @ Jul 19 2014, 11:57 PM)
Dr Asri only say the Jews have always have bad reputation in history. He never condone what Hitler did.

i see nothing wrong with that.
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which means he is racist.

label a race should die or evil is a racist thinking.

a sane person would know race does not determine you are good or evil.
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QUOTE(Human10 @ Jul 20 2014, 12:43 AM)
So Bung is korek?

Damn, we all own him a public apology now...
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U know in UK, the word BUNG is not about positive stuff right? Go look it up.
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QUOTE(Zarazagoza @ Jul 19 2014, 07:20 PM)
Interesting. Thanks for clarifying.

Guess the original post in TS can be slightly misleading.

However, I still think it's better if he'd have steer clear from this issue.
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QUOTE(shrimp.kebab @ Jul 19 2014, 11:57 PM)
Dr Asri only say the Jews have always have bad reputation in history. He never condone what Hitler did.

i see nothing wrong with that.
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Quoting this so that blind butthurt ppl would read again before tembak
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QUOTE(arsengal @ Jul 20 2014, 12:52 AM)
Quoting this so that blind butthurt ppl would read again before tembak
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quoted this again to show people he's a blindly racist people.

he should apologize to all the jews people that protest on israel attack on palestine.

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“There might be truth behind Hitler’s belief,” said Mohd Asri in his article on news portal Astro Awani.

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dah quote berite dari malaysia kini/malaysian today memang

banyak bende die twist biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Jul 20 2014, 12:57 AM)
quoted this again to show people he's a blindly racist people.

he should apologize to all the jews people that protest on israel attack on palestine.
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this the actual text.

an excert could be mistakenly interpreted without the full text.


" Kita bukan anti kaum tertentu, atau anti-semitic secara membabi buta seperti Hitler atau masyarakat Eropah dahulu. Namun jika kita melihat Yahudi Israel hari ini mengkhianati perjanjian atau bersikap jahat, itu bukanlah perkara baru dan pelik untuk mereka kerjakan. Kepercayaan Hitler itu, mungkin ada benarnya "


http://drmaza.com/home/?p=542

kindly read the full text. notice me if u want the english translation tongue.gif
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QUOTE(shrimp.kebab @ Jul 19 2014, 11:57 PM)
Dr Asri only say the Jews have always have bad reputation in history. He never condone what Hitler did.

i see nothing wrong with that.
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You realize of course that of the myriad of religions around the world, Muslims are now the most maligned by all the rest. One can almost say that perhaps the one common perception everyone else has is Muslim = terrorists. I'm not saying that is correct, but all Muslims are going to be victims of slander and "bad reputation" in history. Even today the cliche and tropes of turbans, long beards, I-came-from-the-Middle-East, Gitmo, "random checks" etc is prevalent and causing cases of discrimination and injustice to the non-violent Muslims.

We already have minor politicians in the Netherlands, Germany and even the Swiss who are outright anti-Islam. Sooner or later this climate of fear will bring about the horrors that we thought would never be repeated again.

The main reason Europeans who are mostly Christians disliked the Jews was because "they reject the savior (aka Jesus)". The Jews don't see Jesus as The Messiah, and this was unacceptable to the Christians.
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This just goes to show that we can't really delete anything in our era of internet and technology. Be mindful of what you say, it may come to haunt you in the future.
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QUOTE(cellfreezer @ Jul 20 2014, 12:10 AM)
They don't stress much on comprehension in vernacular schools, sadly.
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You think its ok to exterminate a race because of "bad history"?

They certainly don't stress too much on logic in your school definitely.
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QUOTE(shrimp.kebab @ Jul 19 2014, 11:57 PM)
Dr Asri only say the Jews have always have bad reputation in history. He never condone what Hitler did.

i see nothing wrong with that.
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meaning misleading title? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(kernel123 @ Jul 20 2014, 01:03 AM)
this the actual text.

an excert could be mistakenly interpreted without the full text.
" Kita bukan anti kaum tertentu, atau anti-semitic secara membabi buta seperti Hitler atau masyarakat Eropah dahulu. Namun jika kita melihat Yahudi Israel hari ini mengkhianati perjanjian atau bersikap jahat, itu bukanlah perkara baru dan pelik untuk mereka kerjakan. Kepercayaan Hitler itu, mungkin ada benarnya "
http://drmaza.com/home/?p=542

kindly read the full text. notice me if u want the english translation   tongue.gif
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that is a very very disgusting 'kerpercayaan'.

no, there is no true in that believe. it is never good to judge a race to deem they are good or evil. exactly same you can never say all Malaysia's Malay are all bad people.

when the 2 governments fighting each other, there's still many israelis giving help and visiting palestinians. because even though they have different belief, most people still believe humanity should be above any belief or idea.

what he's saying is trying to push Israel and Palestine to hate each other even more. this is not words from somebody who want peace.

the more all people around the world pushing both side to an extreme state, the more peace talk will be further from them.

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QUOTE(jonoave @ Jul 20 2014, 12:46 AM)
Interesting. Thanks for clarifying.

Guess the original post in TS can be slightly misleading.

However, I still think it's better if he'd have steer clear from this issue.
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exactly. even if it might be taken out of context it would have been a better article if he didn't mention Hitler in the first place.

and yes i do firmly believe that Hitler would have purged the Muslims as well if he had his way. but i guess i'm the odd one out here.
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QUOTE(mukhlisz @ Jul 20 2014, 01:13 AM)
exactly. even if it might be taken out of context it would have been a better article if he didn't mention Hitler in the first place.

and yes i do firmly believe that Hitler would have purged the Muslims as well if he had his way. but i guess i'm the odd one out here.
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Hitler tremendously hate coloured people, so he wouldn't think twice to eradicate Malaysia's muslims. Because he's a very devoted Christian (although most priests and bishops in Europe that time never agree with what he had done).
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Why certain m'sian always obsessed with hitler
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QUOTE(Zarazagoza @ Jul 20 2014, 12:20 AM)
QUOTE(kernel123 @ Jul 20 2014, 01:03 AM)
this the actual text.

an excert could be mistakenly interpreted without the full text.
" Kita bukan anti kaum tertentu, atau anti-semitic secara membabi buta seperti Hitler atau masyarakat Eropah dahulu. Namun jika kita melihat Yahudi Israel hari ini mengkhianati perjanjian atau bersikap jahat, itu bukanlah perkara baru dan pelik untuk mereka kerjakan. Kepercayaan Hitler itu, mungkin ada benarnya "
http://drmaza.com/home/?p=542

kindly read the full text. notice me if u want the english translation   tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Jul 20 2014, 12:57 AM)
quoted this again to show people he's a blindly racist people.

he should apologize to all the jews people that protest on israel attack on palestine.
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I help you quote part of this thread so that you read again and not blindly tembak. I'm not saying I pro Dr Asri kaw kaw, but unless you get the excerpt from the person who said it (direct source), chances are what the person said is to be manipulated by the media is so high. From football player interviews all the way to things like this.

But then again, each of us have different approach and rational to this matter. Racial issues will never be easy to solve, we were thought to be divided by race since long long time ago. So when this issue comes up, question for equality and generalization to a certain behaviour towards a race will spark a small flame that's capable of burning up a community

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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Jul 20 2014, 01:17 AM)
Hitler tremendously hate coloured people, so he wouldn't think twice to eradicate Malaysia's muslims. Because he's a very devoted Christian (although most priests and bishops in Europe that time never agree with what he had done).
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closest depiction of modern Nazism i could think of was in the movie V for Vendetta. in the movie it was alluded they systematically eliminated the homosexuals, muslims and prolly colored people too (i might be wrong but i can't recall any non-white characters in the movie).

i imagine it's how things would have turned out if they won WW2 and conquered the entire world.
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You think its ok to exterminate a race because of "bad history"?

They certainly don't stress too much on logic in your school definitely.
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In case of the jews, yeah I think its ok to exterminate them. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(arsengal @ Jul 20 2014, 01:19 AM)
I help you quote part of this thread so that you read again and not blindly tembak. I'm not saying I pro Dr Asri kaw kaw, but unless you get the excerpt from the person who said it (direct source), chances are what the person said is to be manipulated by the media is so high. From football player interviews all the way to things like this.
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I'm referring to what he posted in FB: https://www.facebook.com/DrMAZA/posts/10152623293357990

It is a very racist remark. My opinion is that this is a very blindly hatred, if it is spread to the media in Israel, it would make them hate Palestine even more. We do not want to add salt to the wound for this 2 nations.

What else have I misunderstand?

This is a very bad example to the muslims in malaysia:

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Jika jawapannya, Yahudi memang dalam sejarahnya telah bangsa merosakkan kehidupan manusia sehingga menjadi ketakutan kepada masyarakat Eropah, tindakan kejam atau rakus Adolf Hitler, sekalipun kejam dan tidak dapat diterima, namun ia secara tidak langsung mengurangkan jumlah kemerbahayaan Yahudi kepada masyarakat Eropah khususnya dan dunia amnya.

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Why certain m'sian always obsessed with hitler
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QUOTE(mukhlisz @ Jul 19 2014, 08:13 PM)
exactly. even if it might be taken out of context it would have been a better article if he didn't mention Hitler in the first place.

and yes i do firmly believe that Hitler would have purged the Muslims as well if he had his way. but i guess i'm the odd one out here.
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Yeah, unfortunately I think you're the one of the few rare ones. Since muslims here have been told since young to that Jews are evil and the Palestine/Israel issue.
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QUOTE(mukhlisz @ Jul 20 2014, 01:22 AM)
closest depiction of modern Nazism i could think of was in the movie V for Vendetta. in the movie it was alluded they systematically eliminated the homosexuals, muslims and prolly colored people too (i might be wrong but i can't recall any non-white characters in the movie).

i imagine it's how things would have turned out if they won WW2 and conquered the entire world.
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it's not going to be easy, because population of muslims are quite large. I imagine they would have unite and against Nazi.

But Hitler ain't stupid either, he will brainwashed all caucasians to think their life are in danger if they do not eliminate muslims first.

Just show them a few extremist writings on anti-christian will do, human's heart and weak and fragile to be manipulated by fear and hatred.
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In case of the jews, yeah I think its ok to exterminate them.  whistling.gif
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If I put Muslims there, I am sure all Muslims would attack me for being a racist, ignorant etc.

Lord knows that Muslims are making really interesting history nowadays. whistling.gif

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Seems like he supports genocide like what Hitler did in WW2.

I wonder what has happen to him. Things that he said used to make sense but not this one.

I guess hatred has clouded his judgment. shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(Zarazagoza @ Jul 20 2014, 12:20 AM)
thanks, updated to the main post.

the news is taken from the malay mail online.

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I'm referring to what he posted in FB: https://www.facebook.com/DrMAZA/posts/10152623293357990

It is a very racist remark. My opinion is that this is a very blindly hatred, if it is spread to the media in Israel, it would make them hate Palestine even more. We do not want to add salt to the wound for this 2 nations.

What else have I misunderstand?

This is a very bad example to the muslims in malaysia:
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if u just quote that part, he might sound racist. dont forget this part too "Pun begitu Islam tidak mengiktiraf kekejaman sekalipun ke atas Yahudi. Setiap individu tanpa mengira latar bangsa hendaklah dihukum secara adil dan saksama."

so what do u think of that line bro?
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QUOTE(marlick25 @ Jul 20 2014, 01:47 AM)
if u just quote that part, he might sound racist. dont forget this part too "Pun begitu Islam tidak mengiktiraf kekejaman sekalipun ke atas Yahudi. Setiap individu tanpa mengira latar bangsa hendaklah dihukum secara adil dan saksama."

so what do u think of that line bro?
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agreed he never condone to that.

basically the malay mail online twist it.
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Why our country always got stupid things like these happen wan... WC Hitler baru lepas, then come this tak tau mana datang punya so call Datuk...
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Seems like he supports genocide like what Hitler did in WW2.

I wonder what has happen to him. Things that he said used to make sense but not this one.

I guess hatred has clouded his judgment.  shakehead.gif
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er can u quote the specific part that he supports what hitler did?
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Why our country always got stupid things like these happen wan... WC Hitler baru lepas, then come this tak tau mana datang punya so call Datuk...
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datuk mana? hmm.gif
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Oh. So it's right to destroy an entire race because of their so-called "tricks and betrayals". Please, have you seen what so-called Muslims are doing around the world? You might not call those extremists as your fellow brothers, but they claim to follow your religion. Would the world be justified in destroying all Muslims then?

Stupid logic.
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QUOTE(mukhlisz @ Jul 20 2014, 12:37 AM)
sigh i usually agree with Dr Asri's views but he should have steered clear of any references to Hitler...
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ive never see ppl condemnin about that fatman n lil guy n perhaps

stalin?

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perhaps u could preach it at slumps, favelas, to homeless ppl
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Preaching others to do good is pointless because man is inherently selfish, this is why religions exist. Men of religion must hold themselves to higher standards and not resort to spreading distrust, because so many depend on their sermons and teachings to get by the difficult days.
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ive never see ppl condemnin about that fatman n lil guy n perhaps
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who?

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Preaching others to do good is pointless because man is inherently selfish, this is why religions exist. Men of religion must hold themselves to higher standards and not resort to spreading distrust, because so many depend on their sermons and teachings to get by the difficult days.
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muslims as a whole are always being preached about jews as demon or devil for their atrocity.

dr.asri seem to be the only person who said that not all jews are bad in regards to the zionist supporter.

nothing wrong with that.

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Preaching others to do good is pointless because man is inherently selfish, this is why religions exist. Men of religion must hold themselves to higher standards and not resort to spreading distrust, because so many depend on their sermons and teachings to get by the difficult days.
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yes, have u ever questioned yourself, how this man made law veing made?

hammurabi n justinian prolly wanted to see your answers
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muslims as a whole are always being preached about jews as demon or devil for their atrocity.

dr.asri seem to be the only person who said that not all jews are bad in regards to the zionist supporter.

nothing wrong with that.
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nod.gif

we muslim never taught that all jews are bad.

unfortunately some malay largely misled by the thought that all jew are bad. without being adhere to what al quran taught and narrated sweat.gif

"And among the people of Moses is a community which guides by truth and by it establishes justice"

al a'raf, 7 : 159
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yes, have u ever questioned yourself, how this man made law veing made?

hammurabi n justinian prolly wanted to see your answers
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a man who use swastika in his flag/emblem cant be bad!

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I have always maintained that religion was created as a sort of moral guide. When populations became larger and more advanced in ways of thinking and discovery, old traditions and taboos were no longer sufficient, hence the need for secular laws.
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so u saying your ancestors are oldfashioned to advise here and that? Son theyve must be proud of u

our generations must be way better than us, i just hope they not gonna revert back into jungle with the apes lol
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nod.gif

we muslim never taught that all jews are bad.

unfortunately some malay largely misled by the thought that all jew are bad. without being adhere to what al quran taught and narrated  sweat.gif

"And among the people of Moses is a community which guides by truth and by it establishes justice"

al a'raf,  7 : 159
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agreed

and this same reason why most people were misled into becoming an extremist.

like ISIS or Al qaeda which clearly go against the teaching of quran
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journalism can change neutral kind of view to skewed bias shit just for the sake to taint image of someone against them

“Generally, the Jews have a bad record. But this does not deny the possibility that there are good people among the Jews. But the record of the Jews generally, is of course bad,” said Mohd Asri.

when got he said that on his original facebook status? That conclusion line above really defaming Dr.Asri and attacking his credibility.
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agreed

and this same reason why most people were misled into becoming an extremist.

like ISIS or Al qaeda which clearly go against the teaching of quran
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kalau bab duit

boleh pula kita extremist yea?
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kalau bab duit

boleh pula kita extremist yea?
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as long as it doesn't harm anyone especially innocent people. there's nothing wrong to it.

use money for the well being of our community is far greater.
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QUOTE(Pusha_D @ Jul 20 2014, 02:23 AM)
so u saying your ancestors are oldfashioned to advise here and that? Son theyve must be proud of u

our generations must be way better than us, i just hope they not gonna revert back into jungle with the apes lol
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You mistaken my words. No, not out-fashioned. Insufficient. Mundane laws like taxation, property ownership, to ethical questions in science and medicine, to shifts in society like gender equality and universal suffrage. These are not covered in the basic codes of religion. And yet the basis can be traced back to religion. Simple things like be fair to those less fortunate, do not be greedy, taboos of blood and disgust, treating your fellow man like how you want to be treated.

Basically I'm trying to say religion was a good starting point, but we shouldn't be caged by it forever. We simply moved the line in the sand further and further as time goes by and as society changes along with it.

Anyways, we're going off-topic.
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as long as it doesn't harm anyone especially innocent people. there's nothing wrong to it.

use money for the well being of our community is far greater.
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QUOTE(shrimp.kebab @ Jul 19 2014, 11:57 PM)
Dr Asri only say the Jews have always have bad reputation in history. He never condone what Hitler did.

i see nothing wrong with that.
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but you know, when it comes to general Malaysian, I've seen many of them has poor comprehension and lack of understanding in simple article. Malaysian also lack of capability to sit down and think first, before straight away commenting after reading the news title.

Plus media has too much power to twist news according to their taste.

dua tiga hari lagi siap la, berterabur Malaysian dalam FB kutuk mengutuk, berdebat macam orang bodoh pasal artikel Dr Asrithat was written BACK IN 2009.
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QUOTE(mukhlisz @ Jul 20 2014, 12:37 AM)
sigh i usually agree with Dr Asri's views but he should have steered clear of any references to Hitler...
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It's because he usually says what people want to hear?
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It's because he usually says what people want to hear?
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yup. they wished to be like jew, smart and rich.
but their eye line betrayed them. laugh.gif
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yup. they wished to be like jew, smart and rich.
but their eye line betrayed them.  laugh.gif
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tarik balik tarik balik
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hahaha!! just messing with their obsession only.

race is better than humanity? their reasoning is a joke. laugh.gif
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