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azriel
post Jul 4 2014, 06:09 PM, updated 7y ago

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Resource IntelligenceOnline.com reports that Singapore will be the first foreign buyer of major Israeli tanks series Merkava. According to these reports, Singapore signed a contract for the purchase of 50 tanks Merkava Mk 4 new construction. According to the resource, the transaction amount reaches $ 500 million

Earlier, at the beginning of June 2014, the Israeli newspaper "Yediot Ahronot", citing a source in the Israeli Defense Ministry announced the signing of export agency of the Ministry of Defence Shibata first export contract for the Merkava Mk 4 tanks, without naming the customer and saying only that it is a country, "related long-term relationships with Israel in the field of security. "Also does not provide any details, except that the amount of the contract is "several hundred million dollars."

Merkava tanks series produced in the Israeli public a tank factory in Tel Hashomer in 1979, however, despite the considerable interest shown in him at different times by different potential foreign customers, never exported. This let low rates of production of tanks Merkava, their high cost, as well as export restrictions by both the U.S. (acting supplier significant portion of the tank units and systems and provide partial funding for the program of the issue), and most of the Israeli Ministry of Defense. Now, for reasons mainly economic plan, Israel's Defense Ministry has issued export permits Merkava Mk 4.

Singapore since 2007 acquired are considered 182 Leopard 2A4 tanks from the German Bundeswehr presence (part of them for use on parts and conversion into special machines), and is currently carrying out a program of modernization.


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post Jul 4 2014, 06:13 PM

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next day utusan headlines, singapore ready to invade malaysia with jews
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US gonna rage because not buying from them
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QUOTE(randm @ Jul 4 2014, 06:12 PM)
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post Jul 4 2014, 06:25 PM

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Maybe we should import Hezbollah "expertise" in facing this tank.
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saya skeptical.

1. prob too heavy for local terrain
2. they always downplay their military links with israel

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buy tank? can cross over to malaysia if the bridge collaps during war?
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QUOTE(Tiffany Hwang @ Jul 4 2014, 06:31 PM)
buy tank? can cross over to malaysia if the bridge collaps during war?
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post Jul 4 2014, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Jul 4 2014, 06:09 PM)
Blow up Causeway, Tanks useless
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Malaysian elite force enuff to tapau singapore.. guerilla tactic ftw..
Thay island also too fragile for a long term war..
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post Jul 4 2014, 06:49 PM

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Malaysia buy tank not include engine one
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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Jul 4 2014, 06:35 PM)
Blow up Causeway, Tanks useless
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shocking.gif if u can think of this......others wld have thought of it. I hope our general do not think like u.
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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Jul 4 2014, 06:25 PM)
Maybe we should import Hezbollah "expertise" in facing this tank.
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Some how Merkava looks like Ravager tank from Ground Control to me. Especially the turret design.

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good choice, with urban warfare in mind, can even ferry troops
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QUOTE(azriel @ Jul 4 2014, 06:09 PM)
for reverse engineering needs? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(pickett plot @ Jul 4 2014, 06:38 PM)
Malaysian elite force enuff to tapau singapore.. guerilla tactic ftw..
Thay island also too fragile for a long term war..
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QUOTE(SammyMan @ Jul 4 2014, 06:57 PM)
Jordan plus Egypt pun tak boleh makan Israel last time.  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(even_steven @ Jul 4 2014, 07:01 PM)
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QUOTE(SammyMan @ Jul 4 2014, 09:57 PM)
Jordan plus Egypt pun tak boleh makan Israel last time.  biggrin.gif
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Singapore =/= israel..
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Ok, time for me to write a proposal for procuring and stockpile latest Metis and Kornet for the ATGM!
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 4 2014, 07:08 PM)
Ok, time for me to write a proposal for procuring and stockpile latest Metis and Kornet for the ATGM!
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i dont think our MBT stand a chance against their armored corp lel

No thanks to MINDEF half ass consideration

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Really?? Singapore la the best to u right??
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can a dessert tank use in forest terrain?
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QUOTE(pickett plot @ Jul 4 2014, 07:07 PM)
Singapore =/= israel..
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Doesn't matter...times change...let's focus on something more relevant instead of harping abt the past or something so far away.
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Looks like M1 Abrams.
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Damn. This tank is one of its kind.... can double up as an APC too....
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QUOTE(azriel @ Jul 4 2014, 06:09 PM)
Blow-up the 2 causeways and see them sink or swim...lol! They have amphibious landing craft to take over JB? Or maybe Batam?




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heard that biotech stream breeding new creatures to eat alloy and metal drool.gif , can be considered to create tank killer bullets later on
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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Jul 4 2014, 06:25 PM)
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 4 2014, 07:08 PM)
Ok, time for me to write a proposal for procuring and stockpile latest Metis and Kornet for the ATGM!
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Dey propose type 10 mbt
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Dey propose type 10 mbt
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is japan main battle tank really that superior?  hmm.gif
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bellow 50tons is the main consideration for us.
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is there any? lol!
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in previous conflicts, Hezbollah did scored a number of Israel's armored vehicles
they're using RPG-29 mostly, rumours say Hezbollah also supplied with Kornet ATGM..thus able to bring havoc to Israel's armored column..
didn't remember if Merkava is part of their victims
the tank is not invincible mang
pretty sure Anti-Tank Guided Missile (ATGM) like Kornet and Metis-M can blow their turret
plz understand also no sane commander will order a MBT against enemy MBT unless they're forced to
better tactics is to use ATGM or attack heli vs those MBT

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QUOTE(endau02 @ Jul 4 2014, 06:54 PM)
is there any? lol!
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Blow up Causeway, Tanks useless
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after airdrop all 50 tanks at our targeted military bases, still no ones get alerted.

TUDM radar cakap itu bukan hostile, so don't bother alert anyone.

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QUOTE(phunkydude @ Jul 4 2014, 08:05 PM)
after airdrop all 50 tanks at our targeted military bases, still no ones get alerted.

TUDM radar cakap itu bukan hostile, so don't bother alert anyone.

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thats a 15 ton light tank compare to 65 ton merkava
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QUOTE(pgsiemkia @ Jul 4 2014, 07:27 PM)
Blow-up the 2 causeways and see them sink or swim...lol! They have amphibious landing craft to take over JB? Or maybe Batam?
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they have M3G amphi-bridge
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jul 4 2014, 07:54 PM)
in previous conflicts, Hezbollah did scored a number of Israel's armored vehicles
they're using RPG-29 mostly, rumours say Hezbollah also supplied with Kornet ATGM..thus able to bring havoc to Israel's armored column..
didn't remember if Merkava is part of their victims
the tank is not invincible mang
pretty sure Anti-Tank Guided Missile (ATGM) like Kornet and Metis-M can blow their turret
plz understand also no sane commander will order a MBT against enemy MBT unless they're forced to
better tactics is to use ATGM or attack heli vs those MBT
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those that got destroyed mostly older merv2/3.
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QUOTE(phunkydude @ Jul 4 2014, 08:05 PM)
after airdrop all 50 tanks at our targeted military bases, still no ones get alerted.
TUDM radar cakap itu bukan hostile, so don't bother alert anyone.
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Air drop a 65tonne merkava? Boleh pass itu weed tak? brows.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(phunkydude @ Jul 4 2014, 08:05 PM)
after airdrop all 50 tanks at our targeted military bases, still no ones get alerted.

TUDM radar cakap itu bukan hostile, so don't bother alert anyone.

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Peh.. Ini tahap heckline punye weed, might as well catapult the tanks across the causeway

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QUOTE(Hunakadoo @ Jul 4 2014, 06:14 PM)
US gonna rage because not buying from them
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parts of the tank mostly from US

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heard that biotech stream breeding new creatures to eat alloy and metal drool.gif , can be considered to create tank killer bullets later on
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lel i think its good singapore buy sheet,

at least govt got reason to spend more on military hardware.

win win smile.gif

plus if anyone think spore will try invade malaysia go dream lah, its not gonna happen unless they have allies with them.
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heard a lot about this tank, especially the defence system and its price

is it that good ?
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QUOTE(onlyme&you @ Jul 4 2014, 10:58 PM)
plus if anyone think spore will try invade malaysia go dream lah, its not gonna happen unless they have allies with them.
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QUOTE(onlyme&you @ Jul 4 2014, 10:58 PM)
lel i think its good singapore buy sheet,

at least govt got reason to spend more on military hardware.

win win smile.gif

plus if anyone think spore will try invade malaysia go dream lah, its not gonna happen unless they have allies with them.
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No need, just give a gun to every prc and pilak there, sure SAF surrender
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Jul 4 2014, 11:02 PM)
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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Jul 4 2014, 11:03 PM)
No need, just give a gun to every prc and pilak there, sure SAF surrender
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lel no need gun, even when bangla rage oso they dunno what to do.
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QUOTE(onlyme&you @ Jul 4 2014, 11:08 PM)
exactly, only politician use it as political mileage.
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somemore this singkie gonna give their leopard to indo as gift... if msia n sg go to war... indo might invade msia instead
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plus to those who think merkava can't be destroyed is either too proud and foolish to think that any man made are without any weak points.


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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Jul 4 2014, 11:13 PM)
somemore this singkie gonna give their leopard to indo as gift... if msia n sg go to war... indo might invade msia instead
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if you think declaring war on a country as easy like playing game, you clearly do not understood the implication on both economy and social order.

even north korea who clearly got nothing to lose if the war broke out with the south prefer not to take that path.

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Jul 4 2014, 10:59 PM)
heard a lot about this tank, especially the defence system and its price

is it that good ?
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Well their Merkava line has constantly been tested in war and upgraded as a result of the data gained from Israel's constant conflicts with their less than friendly neighbors (most of whom provoked conflict with the Jewish nation).

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QUOTE(onlyme&you @ Jul 4 2014, 11:18 PM)
if you think declaring war on a country as easy like playing game, you clearly do not understood the implication on both economy and social order.

even north korea who clearly got nothing to lose if the war broke out with the south prefer not to take that path.
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hayar... i know la.. not say going to war la... worse case scenario or black swan type of event... singkieland so small... anything wrong their country fall... so they learn from israel from their battles with the muslims... always have backup... they put some ppl in US, some in thailand, some in pinoy, less in indo... aus also got...
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dont think we will war with sg.
indo and phil maybe la.
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merkava tank in tropical rainforest?hmm.gif interesting
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QUOTE(mirage2000 @ Jul 4 2014, 11:04 PM)
a good way to kill the merkava but made in israel  laugh.gif


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that merkava is the heaviest mbt in the world..weight exceed more than 70 tonne, i dun even know if it can cross tebrau causeway
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both surrounded by muslims
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Jul 4 2014, 11:24 PM)
hayar... i know la.. not say going to war la... worse case scenario or black swan type of event... singkieland so small... anything wrong their country fall... so they learn from israel from their battles with the muslims... always have backup... they put some ppl in US, some in thailand, some in pinoy, less in indo... aus also got...
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sure, but i'm not worried with singapore.

despite the modern military hardware, they have to compensate with their inexperienced soldiers which are not suitable for war.

compared to indon or thais as an example.
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QUOTE(mirage2000 @ Jul 4 2014, 08:03 PM)
bestest protected tank in the world, hit by ATGM, no problemo


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wow i see no jungle...no mud even
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This thread sure rile some people up one. biggrin.gif
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can shoot one end to the other end of the island
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jul 4 2014, 07:33 PM)
Dey propose type 10 mbt
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woah surprise to know Israel produce their own tank. I thought their economic of scale doesn't allow them to do that. Interesting. Like that we can also produce our own tank kan?
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QUOTE(Tiffany Hwang @ Jul 4 2014, 06:31 PM)
buy tank? can cross over to malaysia if the bridge collaps during war?
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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Jul 4 2014, 06:35 PM)
Blow up Causeway, Tanks useless
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Malaysia can always recall their ISIS fighter. Experience in Urban Tank warfare in Syria. Rearm them with ATGM.

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QUOTE(onlyme&you @ Jul 4 2014, 11:40 PM)
sure, but i'm not worried with singapore.

despite the modern military hardware, they have to compensate with their inexperienced soldiers which are not suitable for war.

compared to indon or thais as an example.
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heh... msia also no exp right?

msian usually professionals, sg conscripts... but dont look down on conscripts... israel fought with conscripts last time

sg cannot tahan attack from any1... dats y hav to rely on allies
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Seriously which tank can withstand a direct hit from a modern Anti - Tank missile. Javelin , Kornet or Spike etc or someone can consider False field as an option rclxms.gif Each damaged tank is a lesson learnt, from the lesson learnt they develop better alternative and then send to the battlefield. When the sustain another another damage, learn from it again and make improvement.

The same goes to why leos are superior because the German learnt from their tank battles with the soviet. Come on guys be rational! don't grumble about wad Singapore bought, think of how to counter them. biggrin.gif. Its a new age, one solid accurate burst at the right spot at the right time can displaces hundreds of troopers, tarnish their confident and soldiers freed for their lives and the enemy tankees happily roll over abandon garrisons.

Can SG tanhan? the question is who has the upper hand in the match. You should be asking whether our tentera can tanhan what SG throw at us? it seems now SG can throw more "metal" at us than us throwing at them.

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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Jul 4 2014, 11:50 PM)
This thread sure rile some people up one.  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(pickett plot @ Jul 4 2014, 06:38 PM)
Malaysian elite force enuff to tapau singapore.. guerilla tactic ftw..
Thay island also too fragile for a long term war..
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Jul 5 2014, 12:03 AM)
heh... msia also no exp right?

msian usually professionals, sg conscripts... but dont look down on conscripts... israel fought with conscripts last time

sg cannot tahan attack from any1... dats y hav to rely on allies
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Malaysia's Armed Forces theatre of operations

First Emergency (1948–1960)

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Congo Peacekeeping Mission (1960–1962)
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singapore on the other hand simply covering on simple basic military operation.

like operating UAV in Afghanistan and relief efforts.

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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Jul 4 2014, 11:49 PM)
wow i see no jungle...no mud even
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well, MBT operating in SEA aint gonna maneuver en mass like the desert of arabian or the rolling plains of europa

they gonna use as heavily armoured mobile bunker with superior firepower to support infantry and vice versa or holding key routes like bridges
just like the US marines 4 tank platoon doctrine. there's thousands of km of plantation roads, trunk roads,and all the tank commander is to do is to trample thru the jungle.. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(mirage2000 @ Jul 5 2014, 01:22 AM)
well, MBT operating in SEA aint gonna maneuver en mass like the desert of arabian or the rolling plains of europa

they gonna use as heavily armoured mobile bunker with superior firepower to support infantry and vice versa or holding key routes like bridges
just like the US marines 4 tank platoon doctrine. there's thousands of km of plantation roads, trunk roads,and all the tank commander is to do is to trample thru the jungle.. rclxub.gif
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Take experience with thailand, they're the most experienced user of tanks in the SEA region, all their tanks US and russian made is kept under 50ton weight limit as they already knew how it works in the tropics
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Its to stop china from invading like in battlefield 4 laaa why sked. Singapore invade Malaysia? Lel
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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Jul 4 2014, 11:53 PM)
woah surprise to know Israel produce their own tank. I thought their economic of scale doesn't allow them to do that. Interesting. Like that we can also produce our own tank kan?
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with out a doubt
one of the best tank in the world! smile.gif
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jul 5 2014, 01:33 AM)
Take experience with thailand, they're the most experienced user of tanks in the SEA region, all their tanks US and russian made is kept under 50ton weight limit as they already knew how it works in the tropics
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thai's 46ton T-84 tank track ground pressure of 0.93kg/cm2 versus 65ton merkava of 0.96kg/cm2 dont make much difference
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 5 2014, 02:01 AM)
with out a doubt
one of the best tank in the world!  smile.gif
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I realize our main battle tanks were from Poland , how come ATM decided to purchase PT-91 Twardy? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(mirage2000 @ Jul 5 2014, 02:01 AM)
thai's 46ton T-84 tank track ground pressure of 0.93kg/cm2 versus 65ton merkava of 0.96kg/cm2 dont make much difference
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Thailand reason is that in rural areas the infras like bridges and untarred roads would not be able to support these heavyweight class tanks
Ground pressure won't mean a thing if a tank can't cross a bridge that won't be able to support it
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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Jul 5 2014, 02:18 AM)
I realize our main battle tanks were from Poland , how come ATM decided to purchase PT-91 Twardy?  hmm.gif
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there are many reason although me personally of them prefer the T90
the economic offset and barter is one of the main selling point
since I know one of the person that involved with the procurement so according to him, the PT91 that give the best offer at that time
but since this is a pioneer regiment, the pt91 is a good platform to start
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Cost consideration la. US and European tanks are expensive and heavy. Russian derived tanks are lighter and cheaper. Plus the merkava is definitely a no no. Too bad. Maybe the thais will pick the merkava in a few years time.
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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Jul 5 2014, 02:18 AM)
I realize our main battle tanks were from Poland , how come ATM decided to purchase PT-91 Twardy?  hmm.gif
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Most convenient deal, can pay in palm oil
The only other tanks in selection is T-90, T-84 and K1
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 5 2014, 02:22 AM)
there are many reason although me personally of them prefer the T90
the economic offset and barter is one of the main selling point
since I know one of the person that involved with the procurement so according to him, the PT91 that give the best offer at that time
but since this is a pioneer regiment, the pt91 is a good platform to start
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Most convenient deal, can pay in palm oil
The only other tanks in selection is T-90, T-84 and K1
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Hmm, if compares T90 and PT91 togethwer with Merkava of Israel and M1 Abrams. Are we on the same league?

What i am asking is , are we able to fight head-on with them? Or Israel and US main battle tank basically much stronger and has more advantages over the Russian and Poland? hmm.gif
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Interesting question. I am sure the Malaysian army have wargame such scenario. Any insider can give a quick brief?
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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Jul 5 2014, 02:27 AM)
Hmm, if compares T90 and PT91 togethwer with Merkava of Israel and M1 Abrams. Are we on the same league?

What i am asking is , are we able to fight head-on with them? Or Israel and US main battle tank basically much stronger and has more advantages over the Russian and Poland?  hmm.gif
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since there is no real engagement so it is very hard to say
there is no battle that involved a modern new generation T-72 chassis in a long time -
the Assad Ababil tank regiment is not the same league with the PT91 - yes they are based on the same chassis, but even the most basic material compound of the metal is different

Merkava have been in a real battle for a long time, each time the tank goes into battle all the tank will be analyze inch to inch

I remember seeing the picture of merkava turned turtle and according to the report the tank was shot by the kornet
that why we can see how tank defense get a huge leap since the 2006 war

head on?
in our turf? since me a little bias so yes we have slight advantage since our doctrine of tank is to defend key points area and fast and agile movement in the battle field

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 5 2014, 02:34 AM)
since there is no real engagement so it is very hard to say
there is no battle that involved a modern new generation T-72 chassis in a long time -
the Assad Ababil tank regiment is not the same league with the PT91 - yes they are based on the same chassis, but even the most basic material compound of the metal is different

Merkava have been in a real battle for a long time, each time the tank goes into battle all the tank will be analyze inch to inch

I remember seeing the picture of merkava turned turtle and according to the report the tank was shot by the kornet
that why we can see how tank defense get a huge leap since the 2006 war

head on?
in our turf? since me a little bias so yes we have slight advantage since our doctrine of tank is to defend key points area and fast and agile movement in the battle field
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I see. That's mean Russian and Poland tank are not battle proven. hmm.gif hmm.gif
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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Jul 5 2014, 02:27 AM)
Hmm, if compares T90 and PT91 togethwer with Merkava of Israel and M1 Abrams. Are we on the same league?

What i am asking is , are we able to fight head-on with them? Or Israel and US main battle tank basically much stronger and has more advantages over the Russian and Poland?  hmm.gif
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It's all about the doctrine bro, nowadays tank vs tank is very2 unlikely or even near unrealistic
Even warfare expert is envisioning the obsolete of tanks usage in armored thrust as they can be bogged down with just a few ATGM teams
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QUOTE(supergen3 @ Jul 5 2014, 02:32 AM)
Interesting question. I am sure the Malaysian army have wargame such scenario. Any insider can give a quick brief?
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not much, since we are still learning the trade of operating the tank
this is our first time operating MBT. So I believe we are still building the warfare doctrine

the pendekar can actually move in the hilly and mountainous estate very swift based on the last ex rhino
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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Jul 5 2014, 02:36 AM)
I see. That's mean Russian and Poland tank are not battle proven.  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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nope I dont think the Polish have ever been in combat, T90 only been into war once iinm in early 2000 kot
but on paper T90 is very superior weii!

T90 can fly and shoot, no need to buy attack chopper no more
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jul 5 2014, 02:37 AM)
It's all about the doctrine bro, nowadays tank vs tank is very2 unlikely or even near unrealistic
Even warfare expert is envisioning the obsolete of tanks usage in armored thrust as they can be bogged down with just a few ATGM teams
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Doctrine is like a set of plan right? Fascinating.

QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 5 2014, 02:45 AM)
nope I dont think the Polish have ever been in combat, T90 only been into war once iinm in early 2000 kot
but on paper T90 is very superior weii!

T90 can fly and shoot, no need to buy attack chopper no more
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But then if it is combat proven, it did be deadly haha. So far what is the Malaysian plan for ATM? Since SG just acquired 50 Israeli's tanks? smile.gif
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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Jul 4 2014, 06:25 PM)
Maybe we should import Hezbollah "expertise" in facing this tank.
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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Jul 5 2014, 02:48 AM)
Doctrine is like a set of plan right? Fascinating.
But then if it is combat proven, it did be deadly haha. So far what is the Malaysian plan for ATM? Since SG just acquired 50 Israeli's tanks? smile.gif
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Yep,
Plan for ATM?
brb writing proposal to Najib laugh.gif

like I said in the previous post
stock up ATGM, a good spam of ATGM is the best way to defeat a tank esp when the tank is lured away

during the bosnian war, many of the serbian tank were disabled and tank crew were captured or killed by a only group of 6 - 8 foot soldier
they lured the tank away, and spam anti tank like there is no tomorrow, and during the havoc, 1 or 2 of them climb onto the tank and open up the hatch before drop in a grenade!


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QUOTE(AKace @ Jul 5 2014, 03:52 AM)
Hezbollah = syiah. Tak boleh bro
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Maybe have to source expertise from ISIS. biggrin.gif
which they r doing now
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Yep,
Plan for ATM?
brb writing proposal to Najib  laugh.gif

like I said in the previous post
stock up ATGM, a good spam of ATGM is the best way to defeat a tank esp when the tank is lured away

during the bosnian war, many of the serbian tank were disabled and tank crew were captured or killed by a only group of 6 - 8 foot soldier
they lured the tank away, and spam anti tank like there is no tomorrow, and during the havoc, 1 or 2 of them climb onto the tank and open up the hatch before drop in a grenade!
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Eh interesting.. i didn't know that. Thanks for telling me haha.

SO the proposal shall be stocking up ATGM eh? Well, is there a plan for battle chopper? hmm.gif hmm.gif Last time you guys mentioned about the need of such choppers. Especially for LD operation
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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Jul 5 2014, 02:58 AM)
Eh interesting.. i didn't know that. Thanks for telling me haha.

SO the proposal shall be stocking up ATGM eh? Well, is there a plan for battle chopper?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif  Last time you guys mentioned about the need of such choppers. Especially for LD operation
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yep, and of couse attack chopper too
attack chopper is a one of the main weakness of the tank
apache is made for that purpose in mind.

my vote for zulu cobra tongue.gif
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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Jul 5 2014, 02:58 AM)
Eh interesting.. i didn't know that. Thanks for telling me haha.

SO the proposal shall be stocking up ATGM eh? Well, is there a plan for battle chopper?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif  Last time you guys mentioned about the need of such choppers. Especially for LD operation
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No use using attack helis if the enemy got the upper hand in air power

Prolly the ATM's next move is to acquire top-attack profile ATGM, or heavyweight class ATGM, or even laser-designated artillery munitions
It's a neverending game of cat and mouse
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Maybe have to source expertise from ISIS. biggrin.gif
which they r doing now
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FSA/ISIS in Syria encountered T-90.
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Malaysia war with SG? LOL

Sultan Johor berapa ratus ekar tanah dia buat rumah mahal and jual pada org singapore. Tak pelu tunggu SG invade Malaysia. Dan invade via properties. tongue.gif

While SG, invade by PRC. How many PRC in SG lately. LOL


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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 5 2014, 03:06 AM)
yep, and of couse attack chopper too
attack chopper is a one of the main weakness of the tank
apache is made for that purpose in mind.

my vote for zulu cobra  tongue.gif
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haha Isn't it Apache more deadly? Although the cost can be expensive.
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No use using attack helis if the enemy got the upper hand in air power

Prolly the ATM's next move is to acquire top-attack profile ATGM, or heavyweight class ATGM, or even laser-designated artillery munitions
It's a neverending game of cat and mouse
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Eh interesting, both of you have different opinion. It seem like SG got better air superiority as compares to our TUDM. ATGM only effectively to counter tank, aren't we suppose to acquire those equipment that can help us on our current situation which is to secure the coast of Sabah? hmm.gif hmm.gif
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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Jul 5 2014, 03:19 AM)
haha Isn't it Apache more deadly? Although the cost can be expensive.

Eh interesting, both of you have different opinion. It seem like SG got better air superiority as compares to our TUDM. ATGM only effectively to counter tank, aren't we suppose to acquire those equipment that can help us on our current situation which is to secure the coast of Sabah?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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the radar longbow is now can be fitted to the cobra
and cobra also can carry the same missile as the apache!
soo why pay more
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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Jul 5 2014, 03:19 AM)
Eh interesting, both of you have different opinion. It seem like SG got better air superiority as compares to our TUDM. ATGM only effectively to counter tank, aren't we suppose to acquire those equipment that can help us on our current situation which is to secure the coast of Sabah?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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Different pipul, different opinion

Attack heli is only advantageous against lower tech enemies, in this case is perfect for those suluk but not so much against SAF

It's all about the cost and budget, sure ATGM can also be used for soft skinned targets (humans, cars, sampans) but it's also darn expensive
What we need for sabah is more naval and marine asset, which the gomen is not so keen to provide, again cost and budget..
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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Jul 5 2014, 02:48 AM)
Doctrine is like a set of plan right? Fascinating.
But then if it is combat proven, it did be deadly haha. So far what is the Malaysian plan for ATM? Since SG just acquired 50 Israeli's tanks? smile.gif
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mass anti-tank infantry duh

SGD 50 million target practice. brows.gif brows.gif

I have never seen tanks cost effectively killing anything lol.

their job is to just roll and die to guided missiles/choppers/bombardments,
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 5 2014, 03:21 AM)
the radar longbow is now can be fitted to the cobra
and cobra also can carry the same missile as the apache!
soo why pay more
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jul 5 2014, 03:29 AM)
Different pipul, different opinion

Attack heli is only advantageous against lower tech enemies, in this case is perfect for those suluk but not so much against SAF

It's all about the cost and budget, sure ATGM can also be used for soft skinned targets (humans, cars, sampans) but it's also darn expensive
What we need for sabah is more naval and marine asset, which the gomen is not so keen to provide, again cost and budget..
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i see. If the GOV are not so keen to provide those asset, i think attack chopper shall be propose, at least can be use to aid those navy in guarding the coast. Because i can see that our bigger threat is from Sulu and not SG.

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mass anti-tank infantry duh

SGD 50 million target practice. brows.gif  brows.gif

I have never seen tanks cost effectively killing anything lol.

their job is to just roll and die to guided missiles/choppers/bombardments,
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Regarding to the role of battle tank, i think military experts shall be able to answer better. wink.gif
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Those heavy tank can easyly tapau by javelin, sraw, kornet and others ATGM lar, 50 in that island, mau sorok mana
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QUOTE(dadurtyz @ Jul 5 2014, 03:42 AM)
Those heavy tank can easyly tapau by javelin, sraw, kornet and others ATGM lar, 50 in that island, mau sorok mana
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Actually their tanks not all stored in the island-state at all, some is actually stored in India and Australia,
Pretty much an open secret, just the number stored overseas is confidential
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QUOTE(dadurtyz @ Jul 5 2014, 03:42 AM)
Those heavy tank can easyly tapau by javelin, sraw, kornet and others ATGM lar, 50 in that island, mau sorok mana
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You still gotta deal with the infantry defending it. Nobody just leaves their tanks unprotected anymore after the Russians got their asses kicked.
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The merkava can take deal with some ATGM too because of its own active protection system, the Trophy.
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The merkava can take deal with some ATGM too because of its own active protection system, the Trophy.
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How can msia allow SG to make purchase of the same tanks used to kill Palestinians? Don't we always say we support the Palestinian cause? Can't we naval blockade delivery of those tanks?

SG is contributing resources for Israel to continue their oppression on palestin and what are we and Indonesia doing? Nothing?
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QUOTE(onlyme&you @ Jul 5 2014, 12:54 AM)
singapore on the other hand simply covering on simple basic military operation. 

like operating UAV in Afghanistan and relief efforts.
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i see... but under estimating them would be a big mistake.. israel's idf was formed with no experience...

QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 5 2014, 02:22 AM)
there are many reason although me personally of them prefer the T90
the economic offset and barter is one of the main selling point
since I know one of the person that involved with the procurement so according to him, the PT91 that give the best offer at that time
but since this is a pioneer regiment, the pt91 is a good platform to start
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jul 5 2014, 02:37 AM)
It's all about the doctrine bro, nowadays tank vs tank is very2 unlikely or even near unrealistic
Even warfare expert is envisioning the obsolete of tanks usage in armored thrust as they can be bogged down with just a few ATGM teams
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QUOTE(James Bum @ Jul 5 2014, 07:53 AM)
How can msia allow SG to make purchase of the same tanks used to kill Palestinians? Don't we always say we support the Palestinian cause? Can't we naval blockade delivery of those tanks?

SG is contributing resources for Israel to continue their oppression on palestin and what are we and Indonesia doing? Nothing?
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are you daft? since when *we* have military affairs with singapore?

and blimey you think some of our weapons aren't make to kill my fellow filthy goyim abrahamic people?

especially with the american rifle

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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Jul 5 2014, 07:57 AM)
are you daft? since when *we* have military affairs with singapore?

and blimey you think some of our weapons aren't make to kill my fellow filthy goyim abrahamic people?

especially with the american rifle

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I know motorola (now known as Freescale) made electronic chips which were exported to US which then exports them back to Israel as part of missile control.

I was told about this by muslim colleague who used to work there. Asked him if he don't feel guilty he said cari makan ma who gives a fucuk about those dying middle easts.

But sticker support gaza/palestin on car windshield is wajib LEL
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QUOTE(James Bum @ Jul 5 2014, 08:11 AM)
I know motorola (now known as Freescale) made electronic chips which were exported to US which then exports them back to Israel as part of missile control.

I was told about this by muslim colleague who used to work there. Asked him if he don't feel guilty he said cari makan ma who gives a fucuk about those dying middle easts.

But sticker support gaza/palestin on car windshield is wajib LEL
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usually peer pressure

TBH tired of this shit

only if the ZIONIST stop the oppression and we jews can still go to the Wall peacefully
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so that mean we going to shop for new tanks too?
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QUOTE(Spectreoutreach @ Jul 5 2014, 08:38 AM)
so that mean we going to shop for new tanks too?
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sigh. we are NOT going

maritime matters more now
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QUOTE(randm @ Jul 5 2014, 08:42 AM)
small island got more number of tanks than whole of malaysia
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and why should we care?

we got some silly pinoy pirate to take care off then our rich island little brother

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our tank still so old school from WW2 design.. LEL
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jul 5 2014, 01:33 AM)
Take experience with thailand, they're the most experienced user of tanks in the SEA region, all their tanks US and russian made is kept under 50ton weight limit as they already knew how it works in the tropics
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Did you mean the Ukranian T-84 Oplot-M?

It was a political decision. Weight wasn't an issue.

The Thai Army weren't happy with the decision from the Defence Ministry to buy the Oplots.

The Thai Army opted for the Korean K1A1 tanks. The Leos was in the prefered list but the price was the main factor and was not chosen and not because of the weight.

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According to the Bangkok Post, other choices for the main battle tank also included the South Korean-made K-1 tank, the Russian-made T-90 tank and the German-made Leopard tank, but the commanded considered the latter one too expensive.

At the same time, the newspaper reported, referring to a source in the military, that the plans of the command to buy Ukrainian rather than South Korean equipment were not supported by the Thai army.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/th...-of-101075.html


The Thai Army knows what was best for them as a user. In the end politics finally wins.

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Indonesia buy Leopard
now Singapore buy Merkava
Malaysia?
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Indonesia buy Leopard
now Singapore buy Merkava
Malaysia?
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i wish i can punch you

buy i can has calmed for sinkapork buying our tanks with gold

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pls buy apache/cobra for support
sure give those tank some nightmares
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Jul 5 2014, 07:56 AM)
i see... but under estimating them would be a big mistake.. israel's idf was formed with no experience...
tau lettew  brows.gif
very true... tanks might be obsolete
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I have to say that SG and Israel have to spend significant amount of their GDP in defence because of their small land mass and adult males. They cannot afford to lose even a meter of ground in the event of invasion. Probably the defence R&D will be focused on automation like combat drones in the air sea and land. Perhaps in a couple of decades SAF and IDF will deploy autonomous combat robots like the terminator movie
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I have to say that SG and Israel have to spend significant amount of their GDP in defence because of their small land mass and adult males. They cannot afford to lose even a meter of ground in the event of invasion. Probably the defence R&D will be focused on automation like combat drones in the air sea and land. Perhaps in a couple of decades SAF and IDF will deploy autonomous combat robots like the terminator movie
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then Skynet will conquer the world
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QUOTE(nazrul90 @ Jul 5 2014, 09:06 AM)
Indonesia buy Leopard
now Singapore buy Merkava
Malaysia?
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Malaysia go ask nippon friends for their Type 10 MBT

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Indonesia buy Leopard
now Singapore buy Merkava
Malaysia?
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Maintain....tak yah beli ape2. Baru plan dh ramai meroyan.....

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otak ada?

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Or Malaysia could end up buying this,

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ah7poBYzg3s/Uvdu...s1600/PL-01.jpg

From the same company that sold us the PT-91M.

The thing is, Malaysia started this MBT purchases back then when we bought Pendekar. Singapore got agitated and quickly bought Leopards. Indonesia for no apparent reason, did the same with Singapore.

See, Singapore cannot be less then their neighbors. The want to be on top always.
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Penah dengar tank hunting party?....komen mcm bijak pandai sekor sekor.
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 5 2014, 02:53 AM)
...and during the havoc, 1 or 2 of them climb onto the tank and open up the hatch before drop in a grenade!
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And i thought that pop n drop action only available in Mercenaries: World In Flames biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 5 2014, 03:21 AM)
the radar longbow is now can be fitted to the cobra
and cobra also can carry the same missile as the apache!
soo why pay more
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The Longbow radar can also be mounted on a wing tip station of a AH-1Z.

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Don't know if its is an ideal or good position integrating the Longbow radar on a wing tip station.
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and why should we care?

we got some silly pinoy pirate to take care off then our rich island little brother
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This, i concur !

QUOTE(Band-Pass filter @ Jul 5 2014, 08:46 AM)
our tank still so old school from WW2 design.. LEL
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our poland tank actually pretty modern wink.gif
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QUOTE(James Bum @ Jul 5 2014, 07:53 AM)
How can msia allow SG to make purchase of the same tanks used to kill Palestinians? Don't we always say we support the Palestinian cause? Can't we naval blockade delivery of those tanks?

SG is contributing resources for Israel to continue their oppression on palestin and what are we and Indonesia doing? Nothing?
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biar laaa duit depa
singaporean are very supportive in their military procurement
not like Malaysia nih

2 askar mati kat highway macam2 lawak boleh buat

QUOTE(frossonice @ Jul 5 2014, 11:35 AM)
Or Malaysia could end up buying this,

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ah7poBYzg3s/Uvdu...s1600/PL-01.jpg

From the same company that sold us the PT-91M.

The thing is, Malaysia started this MBT purchases back then when we bought Pendekar. Singapore got agitated and quickly bought Leopards. Indonesia for no apparent reason, did the same with Singapore.

See, Singapore cannot be less then their neighbors. The want to be on top always.
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Why not!
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Bolehland mass produce suicide bombers will take the tanks out.
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Indonesia's purchase of Leopard tank puts tank race at another level in ASEAN. Singapore needs to have better weapons than Indonesia and Malaysia to survive.
Malaysia could lose Johor Bahru and still survives
Indonesia could lose Batam and still survives.

Singapore is so small that it needs to over-compensate with big guns

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QUOTE(Avex @ Jul 5 2014, 02:03 PM)
Bolehland mass produce suicide bombers will take the tanks out.
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What you guys think about this?


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Its not so much about the weapon, its how you use it...
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jul 5 2014, 02:19 AM)
Thailand reason is that in rural areas the infras like bridges and untarred roads would not be able to support these heavyweight class tanks
Ground pressure won't mean a thing if a tank can't cross a bridge that won't be able to support it
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light bridges can be overcome with engineering units and a 65 ton tank have more cross country capability than a land rover on unpaved road
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After watching the Merkava documentary, i found that they failed terribly during the Lebanese war in 2006 i think. They even now they not sure what is the role of Merkava. hmm.gif
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After watching the Merkava documentary, i found that they failed terribly during the Lebanese war in 2006 i think. They even now they not sure what is the role of Merkava.  hmm.gif
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i tot the main reason they designed merkava is for the survival of their most important asset, experienced crew.
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Well, the Anti Tank Missile still penetrated it.

Their problem is Tanks are not suitable against guerrilla units and those roads in Lebanon were too narrow, so the tank do not has much maneuverability and eventually become a sitting duck.

Right now their training involves less Battle Tank dependent. Those tanks only useful when against other tanks and on a vast land.
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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Jul 5 2014, 05:20 PM)
After watching the Merkava documentary, i found that they failed terribly during the Lebanese war in 2006 i think. They even now they not sure what is the role of Merkava.  hmm.gif
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a few tanks hit=failed terribly hmm.gif

here's some stats from the previous war of 1973 yum kippur
israel tanks deployed=1700 tanks, 400 destroyed, 1300 tank crew killed. Tank destroyed ratio = 23.5%

from the lebanon 2006 war
tanks deployed = 240 tanks, 5 destroyed, 17 crew killed. Tank destroyed ratio = 2.1%

rather ride in a merkava which can withstand multiple ATGM hits than a eastern bloc T-series tanks which the turret will blew out 5 metres away from the hull
when hit by a single ATGM hit, youtube up syrian tanks [email protected] civil war









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QUOTE(mirage2000 @ Jul 5 2014, 04:13 PM)
light bridges can be overcome with engineering units and a 65 ton tank have more cross country capability than a land rover on unpaved road
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I doubt that 65 tons have better cross country capabilities in our terrain.
Soft soil and raining seasons will spell big problem to all modern vehicle including the most advance mbt.

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QUOTE(mirage2000 @ Jul 5 2014, 06:10 PM)
a few tanks hit=failed terribly  hmm.gif

here's some stats from the previous war of 1973 yum kippur
israel tanks deployed=1700 tanks, 400 destroyed, 1300 tank crew killed. Tank destroyed ratio = 23.5%

from the lebanon 2006 war
tanks deployed = 240 tanks, 5 destroyed, 17 crew killed. Tank destroyed ratio = 2.1%

rather ride in a merkava which can withstand multiple ATGM hits than a eastern bloc T-series tanks which the turret will blew out 5 metres away from the hull
when hit by a single ATGM hit, youtube up syrian tanks [email protected] civil war
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Hence iron fist, amap ads and quick kill system have been developed.
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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Jul 5 2014, 05:20 PM)
After watching the Merkava documentary, i found that they failed terribly during the Lebanese war in 2006 i think. They even now they not sure what is the role of Merkava.  hmm.gif
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the 06 war really took Israel by surprise,
I remember that in one point no foot soldier are able to enter Lebanon due to sniper threat

QUOTE(Zarazagoza @ Jul 5 2014, 05:34 PM)
i tot the main reason they designed merkava is for the survival of their most important asset, experienced crew.
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even so, when a heavy puncher like kornet was aimed at a very close range, there are not much they can do!
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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Jul 5 2014, 05:36 PM)
Well, the Anti Tank Missile still penetrated it.

Their problem is Tanks are not suitable against guerrilla units and those roads in Lebanon were too narrow, so the tank do not has much maneuverability and eventually become a sitting duck.

Right now their training involves less Battle Tank dependent. Those tanks only useful when against other tanks and on a vast land.
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The problem is tat they are so proud of their tanks and they published fact on how the tanks protect it crew bla bla

So heezzobalah studies those, they found that, hitting the tank space between the turret and hull at back can make and amazing firework

Next, they are proud of the merkaka frontal protection singe engine is placed forward to proctect the crew from frontal hit and capable to ferry few pesonals at the back.

But soon the hezzaoblah just switch to hitting at the back of the tank. Plus, if there ppl inside they can kill more
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Hence iron fist, amap ads and quick kill system have been developed.
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with advancing tech and crew survival priority, there's nothing of enough protection
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QUOTE(thpace @ Jul 5 2014, 07:00 PM)
The problem is tat they are so proud of their tanks and they published fact on how the tanks protect it crew bla bla

So heezzobalah studies those, they found that, hitting the tank  space between the turret and hull at back can make and amazing firework

Next, they are proud of the merkaka frontal protection singe engine is placed forward to proctect the crew from frontal hit and capable to ferry few pesonals at the back.

But soon the hezzaoblah just switch to hitting at the back of the tank. Plus, if there ppl inside they can kill more
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every single tank designed have that weak point, infantry found that out way back from WW2
dunno how many hezbollah dead trying to take on the tanks.. brows.gif

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QUOTE(alphahobo @ Jul 5 2014, 12:13 PM)
why always want war with singapore? stupid
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jealousy

we could also become like them to

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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Jul 5 2014, 08:10 PM)
jealousy

we could also become like them to

by WORKING HARD

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QUOTE(Zarazagoza @ Jul 5 2014, 08:55 PM)
HEIL HITLER!!!
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well, being islamphobe and anti-BN sure prick their arse laugh.gif
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QUOTE(dothackRAVE @ Jul 5 2014, 07:05 PM)
Using tank shells infused with pork.
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QUOTE(MichaelJohn @ Jul 5 2014, 10:08 AM)
Malaysia go ask nippon friends for their Type 10 MBT

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Type 10 too advanced and too expensive lor
¥954 million = $11.3 million(USD?)

imagine 50 units of this could be cost
wish Malaysia could take the FV4034 Challenger 2 but that tank stop produce already

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QUOTE(nazrul90 @ Jul 5 2014, 10:55 PM)
Type 10 too advanced and too expensive lor
¥954 million = $11.3 million(USD?)

imagine 50 units of this could be cost
wish Malaysia could take the FV4034 Challenger 2 but that tank stop produce already

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well, if it is for me then the AMX Leclerc
since the PT91 are using the same system including the firing system
we do not need another familiarization phase before it become fully operational
but the tank is close to 60 tonne

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 5 2014, 11:30 PM)
well, if it is for me then the AMX Leclerc
since the PT91 are using the same system including the firing system
we do not need another familiarization phase before it become fully operational
but the tank is close to 60 tonne

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 5 2014, 11:30 PM)
well, if it is for me then the AMX Leclerc
since the PT91 are using the same system including the firing system
we do not need another familiarization phase before it become fully operational
but the tank is close to 60 tonne

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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Jul 6 2014, 05:53 AM)
too heavy
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meme doh!
tak salah nok berangan tongue.gif

tak silap aku leclerc ni dah tutup production line dah pun! hmm.gif

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 6 2014, 07:38 AM)
meme doh!
tak salah nok berangan  tongue.gif

tak silap aku leclerc ni dah tutup production line dah pun! hmm.gif
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well we stick what we choose

pt 91m is already good as it is

what we really need is more maritime machine/equipment

that bloody pinoy pirate is irritating, remove pinoy kebab from premises!
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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Jul 6 2014, 07:42 AM)
well we stick what we choose

pt 91m is already good as it is

what we really need is more maritime machine/equipment

that bloody pinoy pirate is irritating, remove pinoy kebab from premises!
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pinoy kebabs eh? me loike!
errr tarak sapa nak adopt into country ball ka? tongue.gif

aku tara update jika our tank doctrine is already complete or not
if the doctrine is complete, we should on our way to have the 2nd batch
no matter if another pendekar or a batch of new one! smile.gif
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 6 2014, 07:45 AM)
pinoy kebabs eh? me loike!
errr tarak sapa nak adopt into country ball ka?  tongue.gif

aku tara update jika our tank doctrine is already complete or not
if the doctrine is complete, we should on our way to have the 2nd batch
no matter if another pendekar or a batch of new one!  smile.gif
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we should have one set of batch for eastern Malaysia

sabah & sarawak are HUGE afterall


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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Jul 6 2014, 07:47 AM)
we should have one set of batch for eastern Malaysia

sabah & sarawak are HUGE afterall
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ichi, ko kumpul la community Malaysiaball
try to be active macam Tringapore tongue.gif
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 6 2014, 07:59 AM)
ichi, ko kumpul la community Malaysiaball
try to be active macam Tringapore  tongue.gif
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at reddit?

tak banyak pun

and only few yang pandai photochop
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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Jul 5 2014, 02:15 PM)
Look badass to me


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singapork got both if they r going to buy merkava sweat.gif

QUOTE(yinchet @ Jul 5 2014, 06:16 PM)
I doubt that 65 tons have better cross country capabilities in our terrain.
Soft soil and raining seasons will spell big problem to all modern vehicle including the most advance mbt.
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doubt their tanks will go many places, they dont have they man, so if they do invade msia, they would hit the cities only.. n cities all hv roads

QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Jul 6 2014, 07:42 AM)
what we really need is more maritime machine/equipment

that bloody pinoy pirate is irritating, remove pinoy kebab from premises!
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it is not the equipment only but competency of the man... or not it would be like irq, thousands abandon their super exp equipment or even ukrain.

being weak minded will not just cause loopholes in the defence but also as a liability.. rmb the commando that shot own fella?
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QUOTE(Hunakadoo @ Jul 4 2014, 06:14 PM)
US gonna rage because not buying from them
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buy from us or israel, it doesnt matter.. cos those 2 are actually owned by the same person...
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Singapore buy tanks... Indonesia and Malaysia have lots of rubbish.. all they have to do is to burn them and let haze do the rest..
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QUOTE(thpace @ Jul 5 2014, 07:00 PM)
The problem is tat they are so proud of their tanks and they published fact on how the tanks protect it crew bla bla

So heezzobalah studies those, they found that, hitting the tank  space between the turret and hull at back can make and amazing firework

Next, they are proud of the merkaka frontal protection singe engine is placed forward to proctect the crew from frontal hit and capable to ferry few pesonals at the back.

But soon the hezzaoblah just switch to hitting at the back of the tank. Plus, if there ppl inside they can kill more
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QUOTE(mirage2000 @ Jul 5 2014, 07:10 PM)
every single tank designed have that weak point, infantry found that out way back from WW2
dunno how many hezbollah dead trying to take on the tanks.. brows.gif
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this

seems like hezzaoblah tak pandai sangat laugh.gif laugh.gif
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those mitsubishi made japanese tanks are too expensive. they are expensive because they bought so little.

but they insisted to build it themselves. they wish to have the know-how and that will be useful during a fullscale war ( hmm.gif ), when nobody willing to sell you stuff, but you still can make it yourself.

mitsubishi is thumbup.gif inbe4 Zero fighter is evil laugh.gif
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malaysia only buy useless weapon from FRANCE !!!!
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QUOTE(vexus @ Jul 6 2014, 09:22 AM)
malaysia only buy useless weapon from FRANCE !!!!
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Really?? Sos?? Prove??

So the singapore delta class also useless lor.....

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Jul 6 2014, 08:49 AM)
singapork got both if they r going to buy merkava  sweat.gif
doubt their tanks will go many places, they dont have they man, so if they do invade msia, they would hit the cities only.. n cities all hv roads
it is not the equipment only but competency of the man... or not it would be like irq, thousands abandon their super exp equipment or even ukrain.

being weak minded will not just cause loopholes in the defence but also as a liability.. rmb the commando that shot own fella?
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Different country with different approach..... singapore on richer side opted to buy MBT but we on the poorer side opted to buy ATGM. look at our inventories......we have thousands of ATGM and its for one specific purpose only......
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SG should include this merkava hull APC, great for urban warfare

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QUOTE(SamsengFan @ Jul 6 2014, 09:18 AM)
this

seems like hezzaoblah tak pandai sangat  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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to them, take out 5 tanks with more than a thousand missiles, RPGs fired and a couple of IED is a great victory
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QUOTE(randm @ Jul 4 2014, 06:12 PM)
both surrounded by muslims
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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Jul 6 2014, 08:00 AM)
at reddit?

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and only few yang pandai photochop
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QUOTE(mirage2000 @ Jul 5 2014, 07:10 PM)
every single tank designed have that weak point, infantry found that out way back from WW2
dunno how many hezbollah dead trying to take on the tanks.. brows.gif
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war life is cheap, replenish goods

tank is expensive whistling.gif


QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 5 2014, 11:30 PM)
well, if it is for me then the AMX Leclerc
since the PT91 are using the same system including the firing system
we do not need another familiarization phase before it become fully operational
but the tank is close to 60 tonne

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K2 Black Panther plus can throw in mini dokdo deal rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(thpace @ Jul 6 2014, 05:46 PM)
war life is cheap, replenish goods

tank is expensive  whistling.gif
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QUOTE(SamsengFan @ Jul 6 2014, 09:21 AM)
those mitsubishi made japanese tanks are too expensive. they are expensive because they bought so little.

but they insisted to build it themselves. they wish to have the know-how and that will be useful during a fullscale war ( hmm.gif ), when nobody willing to sell you stuff, but you still can make it yourself.

mitsubishi is thumbup.gif  inbe4 Zero fighter is evil laugh.gif
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Don't trusy japs company

Silap hari bulan keluar RX-78
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Aku nak turkey punye tank....Altay. join develop dgn korea

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nobody wanna buy arjunk?

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