well i wasn't blaming them la..just annoyed..but yeap..you're absolutely correct (obviously la..u got experience! ). generally, most of the sellers are just 'workers' and they may not know much about games/consoles/etc. like u said, they're told to 'sell stuff as fast as possible'. so they're like robots in a way - *must sell items. don't explain*.

that's why when some sellers are being asked technical questions from experienced gamers or the initiated, they go haywire like a robot screaming *can't compute. can't compute. error. error.*

yep can't blame them, cos they're just doing their job. but it would be cooler if they actually know or learn about what they're selling. sales people should always know what they're selling, or else how would buyers be convinced in their sales?

but the good thing about knowing this for a fact is that users/buyers should then prepare themselves with enough info from friends, online, trusted sources before embarking on console hunting to avoid getting conned.

if u get the uninitiated seller, that's fine. u get the seller with a solid gaming background and knows what he/she is selling like the back of his/her hand, that's even better! but if u get the lebih2 pandai where they simply throw 'logical' sounding technical jibber-jabber to sound valid, that's where you will kena con.

so it's good if u can equip yourself with informational ammo and blast con people with your knowledge shotgun.

which reminds me. djinn i have a question for u: is there such a thing as a 15GB or 12GB hdd sold with the xbox360 asian set?

i've never heard of it, but this seller at my place told me that when i asked him why never take asian sets.

i dunno if he's refering to the 'actual storage size' you see in your 20gb hdd (minus a few gbs for system data, etc.) or actually refering to a (probably non-existent) fully fledged, printed on the box, 15GB hdd.

he actually used this 'fact' to give me the impression that Asian sets are not worth selling compared to Japanese sets.

supply me with more ammo please. thanks!

This post has been edited by Sd-RawK-Cab25: Aug 20 2006, 11:29 AM

I'm kinda think he is mentioning the available Storage HDD . a new xbox 360 will have 12 GB of space (8 gb system data and movies and etc). so total is 20gb.

no matter you purchase JP,USA.Asia machine they always comes with either 12gb/15 gb available.

unless you go delete everything inside the HDD first

ah i see i see. thought so. but still that shouldn't be a reason to use that fact and give people the impression that that's the reason why they never take asian sets.

now that i think of it..that guy really made a fool out of himself. very arrogant 'wise guy' face, saying "itu Asian set hard disk dia tada manyak space..12 gig saja".



anyway thx djinn for clearing that up.

This post has been edited by Sd-RawK-Cab25: Aug 20 2006, 12:16 PM

so when you going to get your xbox 360 ?

hahaha when the time comes bro..when the time comes (translation: when money cukup in the bank)

u shud know how i'm so looking forward to the day i finally get to do business buying the x360 from u la bro..judging by the million times i keep on asking u questions abt x360.

This post has been edited by Sd-RawK-Cab25: Aug 20 2006, 12:23 PM

Listen we all can agree that KLCC Wizshop is plain crap water.(sorry)But anyone who a)has a brain
b)common sense
C)and is a gamer

will never buy anything from there unless a giant meteor comes and destroys Sungei Wang,Play Asia HQ and all the shops the forumers patronize are alldestroyed in a fiery blaze.
In other words....we will never shop at Wizshop or any other shop that rips us off. because as gamers its our duty to buy games that have a good price tag and if we are ambitious and honest we will inform of would be gamers not to shop there.

That's not a gamer's duty, that's a consumer's right

Anyhoos, I don't see why everyone is an uproar. Like you mentioned, anyone who has common sense will avoid buying at KLCC. If Wizshop is selling higher than market price, it is their right as a seller. It's just like any other item in shops, all have their RCP (Recommended Consumer Price) but not everyone follows them. Some may sell lower, some may sell higher than the RCP.

Sorry for spouting all this, but I am in the retail business. Of course, as a gamer, I think Wizshop sucks for selling at such obvious high prices. But as a retail person, I can understand why, considering the KLCC market and the KLCC crowd, which is more for the high-income people. And remember, KLCC rental is for sure not cheap. Many businesses have been driven out of places like KLCC and Mid Valley because of the high rentals, despite the crowd.

If a retailer is ripping people off, consumers will go away. Then the retailer has two choices:
a) lower down prices
b) gulung tikar
If Wizshop can survive selling the X360 at 2K, then so be it. They must have one hell of a salesman who can talk the talk. A consumer has the right to choose, ALWAYS. If they choose to believe the salesman, it's their choice.

Sorry for the boring retail lecture, but I really don't get why everyone's so mad with the KLCC shops. It's obvious that shops in KLCC, 1 Utama, Mid Valley will sell stuff at high prices because of the high-end crowd and the high cost of rental. Has been like that since day one. That's why most of us buy at Imbi/TNL/Play Asia, since we are smart enough to choose the proper places to buy

so true. u know that a certain shop is 'ripping you off' or too expensive for you..go to other shops. easy.

I think if they calculate the currencies rate in their currency..they will say"wt$....you day time robbers!!!!"

as i told you before, those shop in KLCC target those foreigners not us Malaysian. We buy from Djinn or any shop that has good price tag.