A little bit about me..

I'm 18 years old, currently on holiday from a Foundation in Business course
I've taken a liking towards photography since Form 1
But then, I don't have a very good camera to take up photography seriously
Since then, I've been the family photographer using our old Pentax 3.2 megapixel Optio33L
they have seen how I take pictures and they think I really am good at taking photos

So now, they agreed to get me a better camera so I could go into some serious photo shooting.
The question is, what camera should I buy ?

The only DSLR that I see myself buying with my dad's money is the cheapest entry level DSLR from Nikon or Canon
At ~RM3k with its kits lens, I think thats the most my dad can fork out..
Is it good for me to buy a RM3k DSLR or should I spend the money to get a expensive PROsumer Digicam instaed ?

I think I could use a DSLR, but I'd like to know what all the sifu here thinks ?
A entry level DSLR or a expensive PROsumer ?
If a DSLR, Canon's or Nikon's in terms of user friendliness and functions (ie:image stabilising, etc) ? Or any other brands which offer cheaper prices (better for my dad)
If a prosumer, which model ?

This post has been edited by chang3rd: Jan 1 2007, 04:36 PM

so what's about this swimming pool?

why not shoot with camera and post here? if from handphone, u shud post in here>> http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...view=getnewpost

Hmmm, maybe if you shoot it at night, will get more feel. Maybe get to see something 'special' during this month. Hehehe...

nothing, some random shots of our new swimming pool
in october, there will be alot of "kwai los" swimming in it

oops, sry.. didnt know
I didnt carry my camera with me cuz im jz back to muh uni to collect my results
den i just went and have a look at it cuz its new.

O_o
damn glad its holiday now..
wouldnt wanna be at the campus at night, its in the middle of the jungle
very spoooky ~ ~
only going back around october

BTW, so how abt my question ? or should i ask in other relevant threads ? >.<
i noe this is the gallery thread, but jz thought didnt wanna open so many threads >.<

Spooky only got the feel~

About your question, just like what you said there, get a entry level cam from Nikon/Canon, or maybe consider about Olympus or Sony as well. Slowly learn from shooting with DSLR, then only invest more on the lenses and flash. I'm sure this thread will be your first sharing place when you get your shooting gears.

how much does a entry level dslr cost?
resonable price at reasonable quality

so you think i should get a entry DSLR la
cuz some other ppl says that some expensive digicam has the same if not more function than a cheap DSLR
anyway, thx man.. now to settle my father and go buy that DSLR xD

hmm, from the Nikon website
the D50 package is at RM3,118 , with 18-55mm lens and a D50 knapsack
for the moment i cant seem to access the canon's website so i don't know abt the price
might survery the shops later this week
im sure prices out there would be cheaper
or should i try to get the D70s, couple of hundred bucks more

thx guys..

Next Update : My mom's fruits as in real fruits planted in the garden.. lolz..

This post has been edited by chang3rd: Aug 14 2006, 04:11 PM

since photography is ur hobby and u think u r able to handle a DSLR, u better go to DSLR. if u getting a Prosumer cam,sooner or later it will not satisfy ur needs.

mayb u can try get a second hand DSLR as ur start learning equiment.
just a suggestion only...

i dont c anything special bout the swimming pools but then again thats the limit of a handphone..

fork out the couple of hundred more for the d70s in my opinion. another cheaper optiion is the k100d by pentax. less than 3000 for the kit.

This post has been edited by clemong_888: Aug 14 2006, 04:58 PM

ya, the swimming pool's nothing, jz some random shot..
sry abt it >.<

anyway..
my mom gave my the green light
lets just say we can ignore the price, only for entry level DSLRs tho..
which one's better for hobbyist/noobs and better quality..

Canon EOS 350D
Nikon D70s
Pentax K100D

Any reason why I would get the D50 if im going Canon ?

Again, sorry abt the low quality photos
will get some nicer ones soon..

Nothing beat Nikon and Canon camera system. Go test shoot with either one.

Cropped myself out, got complains that i shouldnt be in the picture

shot with the Pentax Optio at medium settings cuz i only have the 128mb card, couldnt store much..

notice her leg in the second pic..
i didnt do anything with it in PS, but it looks like she got rashes

must be the camera's fault

This post has been edited by chang3rd: Aug 15 2006, 12:21 PM

Those are what we call "noise", I think?

oh..

sry.. it was noobish talk of me

ahaha...

Hahaha, not really. Anyway, I saw you cropped (chopped) off somebody from the pix...

ya..
one was me and another my friend

IMO we aren't good looking enuf to be revealed to Lowyat-ians
xD

hahaha, when u crop off that much, noise is bound to appear.

about what cam u should get, don listen to any of us here! most of us cant give u an unbiased opinion. as Reon said, try it out yourself.

dear sifus.... is either i'm noob or i'm blind. i cant find the rashes/noice that u all are discussing.
can edit and highlight the area on the pic? haha.... learning slowly to edit pics... so this can be useful. tq

haha buying a DSLR it's js the begining, soon u will ask for more (lens especially, Flash unit, tripod, monopod, camera bag (big 1), dry box if u have lot's of lens la, n many many more... ) bit by bit is killing me now. actually this is how i feel now (T_T)

Ya, go do research first hv the idea, then go test the camera, some shopkeeper dunno bout the camera 1 *sien*

The circled part



I like editing things too, but I don't have the eye for what is natural (ie, the colour tones, levels, contrast and stuff)

My avatar is one of my works..
Didnt think you could buy any teddy bears with a sad face

Thanks for all your advice, hopefully I'll get my camera before we go to our Yunnan trip later in the month

Last question,
so basically between Nikon and Canon, the difference of the quality of pictures taken and the built is almost neglectible ?
the important thing is the feel I have for the DSLR , am I right ?

This post has been edited by chang3rd: Aug 15 2006, 02:29 PM

oooo
okie... tq tq

Shot with old Pentax Optio33L



Whats this, a skirt on a tree ?



ooo.. Two mangos under my used shorts



The Umbra fruit tree
The fruit of a popular drink in Penang



Fungus growing on the fruits ?
Just kidding lar
But seriously I don't know what is it..


Aaaannyywaay..
I got myself a Nikon D70s
The price I paid is RM3850 using credit card
The package includes, the whole kit (camera body, kit lens 18-70mm, accessories), Hoya UV filter, Nikon vest, Nikon bag, tripod, 1 gig Kingston CF card and an AF 70-300mm lens

I bought it from a Fotokem shop
Which I hope I was not sold a stolen/2nd hand/water DSLR
Waddya think ?
Do I really need the filter ?

This post has been edited by chang3rd: Aug 16 2006, 08:43 PM

Picture not edited what-so-ever
only resized it

not bad for one of the first few shots on my new D70s mar.
waddya think

wow not bad, not bad.

the deal ain't bad. happy shooting! nice panning shot btw

thank you thank you
but that shot was kinda cheating..

i was in the car going home when i shot the motorcycle
so it was basic point and shoot, not a panning shot
but it came out like that.. lolz

So you got yourself a D70s now?? Hahah, should've get D80. Anyway, welcome to the world of DSLR. Prepare to press more shutters than ever and hold your temptation to buy more and more lenses...

I thougth it was panning shot as well, you said it's PnS eh?? Hahah... Anyway, looks like D70s' WB failed again eh? Or you applied some kinda filter on it??

the shopkeeper also say D80
but he told my mom the price would be like double the D70s, so.. you know.. lol
but i heard its not that much eh, below RM5k for the body, thats what in-Tech says..

ya, its PnS, we were in the car and at abt 50-60 km/h and i just click click click
WB arh.. i just used the Auto mode to shoot
cuz i dunno how to set anything at that time, and certainly don't know how to adjust the WB
oh, i had a UV filter on

but now i know better..
at least i noe how to change the ISO and WB after reading the manual

Hahaha, the shopkeeper so sure about the price already??

D50>D70s>D80>D200>D2Xs

There's no way D80's gonna cost more than D200.

Try to learn about the camera. It's a camera with potential if you can fully utilise its features and mount some IF ED VR lens on it, get some good shots!

ahaha, d d80 is quite a bit more exp than the d70s but not until double it! d d70s still packs alot of punch and potential. lotsa stuff to experiment with. i'm looking forward to your shots

Hmm, the pannning of the motor picture damn nice!
FTW~*!

lolz, the lens jargon made me dizzy
are those jz one kind of lens or 3 kinds of different lens ?
gotta study up on the subject

too much pressure wei
will do my best not to let you down

er.. thank you ^^
do you noe who i am ? you do right
since we played DotA before lolz..
how did ya find me

dont worry bout lenses yet, your kit lens can get your pretty far. hell, i'm still only using my kit:) btw,he meant 1 lens oni not 3

This post has been edited by clemong_888: Aug 18 2006, 11:26 PM

playing with shutter speed and zoom at the same time
still playing around with the camera

can't wait to go China

This post has been edited by chang3rd: Aug 22 2006, 12:40 AM

Hi guys,
Just came back from a trip in Yunnan, China
Got tons of pics coming
Lemme get them arranged and I'll post em

1. He's trying some get rich quick scheme


2. Worker digging for loose change people threw inside


3. Random scenery


4. The flower festival was just over, or else I have more flowers to shoot at


5. Some sculpture in the middle of the lake at the same park


6. Trying a real panning shot on a Chinese motorcyclist


More to come

haha pic 6 look like in malaysia leh, also din wear helmet.
more, more.....i like to see the world.

walao, new dslr liao... d70s somemore... got kaki already...
but ur shot nice ler...
i am think of quitting liao...
mayb i don have potential...
doh...

haha
i went to that temple last year
but that time rain heavily and the floor was like skating rink
so one slip u end up in coffin adi

as the coin game, we found the bug to win it

dun quit yet ar henry ah sir keep it up.

nice pics.. henry, talent or potential is nothing comapred to hardwork

7.


8.


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10. Proud of our National Flower in China


11. Waddya see ?


12.

11. Its too obvious if I only zoom at the two girls upfront


12. Wonder when this rock will fall


13. Weird Tree


14. 石林 Stone Forest


15.

Sry, didn't noticed I already uploaded some of the same shots
oh well, diferent angles

hahaha

i like the last one but the 2nd last one is abit under?i dunno but when u look out from the cave u just don't see anything interesting.

hmm.. see the rock on the left side ?
its suppose to the a lion's head, i think

that picture is supposed to be about that

pai seh pai seh

16.


17. Hummingbird !!! Wing was so fast couldn't even see it


18.


19.


20. Whoever catches the bouquet gets to "marry" her


21. Our tour guide in Dali


22.


23. Li Jiang's Snow Mountain. Mind you, those are not snow, just some pretty strong sun rays

the hummingbird.. nice one.. u can crop it u know if u're using raw.

pic 23.. its not snow?!its so blardy white.

the humminbird, i think i already cropped it, not sure..
and im not using raw, my 1gb card couldnt possibly hold 500+ raw format photos
its a 8 day trip you noe

the "snow" is not snow
i guess its just sunlight reflected on the rocks
not really sure why it came out like that
though, we ARE above the clouds, so no clouds were blocking the sun
I reckon the sun up there wasn't so good on my skin

Btw, I haven't yet got one cleaning kit for the DSLR
What should I get ?
What do I ask for in a shop ?
How much would everything be ?

Just thought wanna finish up my Yunnan Trip photos so that I could post other stuffs
Was getting lazy

24.


25. If only the water is clear.


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27.


28. IMO, nice idea, but lack timing and also its out of focus


29. Going home.

eh, how u do this shot?
teach teach

ur pics made me feel even more noobish......

great shots n taste

edit -
pic 26 n 27,
wat setting u used?

This post has been edited by aichiban: Sep 28 2006, 02:00 AM

for that, I used Shutter-Priority Auto or was it manual, any one is fine
set it for a 3 second exposure, or longer or shorter depending
after i release the shutter, zoom in, or zoom out
will have different effects
speed of the zoom after releasing the shutter will come out differently too, i think

26 and 27 ah
I forgot the settings, but
the lens was a cheap 80mm-300mm zoom lens
Mode was shutter-priority too, set it to a fast shutter speed as they were dancing and moving quite fast
ISO on auto

hope that answer your question >.<

i also noob leh..
got alot to learn from all the sifus here

ooo
thks dude
will try experiencing M mode for that
coz if shutter speed fast, got very dark image
i set ISO 1600 oso dark...
summore dun haf steady hands for slow shutter speed

good ar nice pic

This post has been edited by WildPiew: Sep 29 2006, 09:42 AM

the dance pics are really good. sharp,clear yet dark , nice fit with the atmosphere.

ya, need to see the conditions
luckily for me the stage is brightly lit, so the subjects come out well even with high shutter speed

so many sifus come praise me
feel so honoured

thank you thank you
little brother here will continue to work hard

did you use a polarizer for pic 24?
and i think you should try the slow shutter zoom thingy on a pedestrian bridge at night with lots of cars, it produce magnificent photos.

- Why I didn't notice my acc was still on my friends lappie -



This post has been edited by eXPeri3nc3: Oct 16 2006, 08:39 AM

well dont know if it will help, i read on net b4 that for movement, its batter if u compo it entering the frame not dropping out...ur pcs look like got framing problem...

just my 2 cents..

blurring would be nice.. but it's not really easy to esp for sports.

[QUOTE]Didn't know my friend's acc was still logged in on my lappie before I posted that Sorry if this is double posting..[/QUOTE]


[quote=Whos Your Daddy,Oct 1 2006, 09:16 PM]did you use a polarizer for pic 24?
and i think you should try the slow shutter zoom thingy on a pedestrian bridge at night with lots of cars, it produce magnificent photos.

[/quote]
sorry, didn't check back to reply
and no, I didnt use polarizer, i think i just underexposed it some
maybe sometime later I'll do those kind of shots, kinda busy with studies now, can't have time for this hobby

Sporting Event (Singapore Ultimate Open)

1. The Intensity


2. The Focus


3.


4. Caught another photographer in action on the other side


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6.


Need some advise
Would it better if I blurred some of the action ? To emphasize movement ?

lol.. i was thinking u had 2 accts..

bah, everything's messed up right now
even the "quotes" tag won't work..

Just look at my pics ok..
lolz

i did comment on it.. before your 2nd post.

blurring would have been great but it's not easy. unlike cars, people dont move linearly. closing up would be good too

em, entering the frame ?
Don't understand.. care to explain ?
I'm still learning
was my first sporting event

'aight
I see..
thx

this is what i shot


well actually what i trying 2 say was the pcs telling the viewer whats next, where to go next or smth like that...

this is not what i shot but roughly the idea...
http://gallery.photo.net/photo/2998367-lg.jpg ( just jump into the frame, next is gonna land )

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3072048 ( getting ready to hit )

well just what i think la..mayb u wun like it cos diff photographer diff thinking..

nice sport actions.....

oo, I think I get what you mean
its like taking a shot where its telling the audience whats gonna happen next, or let them guess whats gonna happen next
thx !
Another penny in my pocket

thank you thank you
still picking up tricks

yep...hehe..thats what i mean...cos its kind of fun to play with viewer mind..

Took this for fun
Never had a real life person to be my model, so took my teddy instead





And another advise needed
I'm looking for a flashgun for my D70s
What should I buy ?
How much is a SB-600 or a SB-800 ?
Any other alternatives like other brands ? or even from Nikon ?

This is so nice, makes me want to post photos that I took of my daughter's soft-toy puppy.

get nikon ones. or u're just wasted ur money getting nikon cams superior flash. dunno how much they're selling in malaysia though.. i wanna know too!

Awwwwwww ... so cham ... okaylah next time I invite you to photo sessions. By the way, love the shot of your teddy, so kiut!

awWHhh.. so chomel

ya, nikon ones are good, according to a recent review i read
just wondering whats the street price for one nowadays
anyone ?

really ? I don't mind going if the time's right
thank you for it first


hehe, ty ty..
my teddy's a big hit with my other friends too

One thing you must know about shooting models ... it's the MODEL'S time, not YOUR time.

chang3rd:

Speedlight SB-600 = Around RM760.00
Speedlight SB-800 = Around RM1350.00

ah.. so very true
lemme rephrase it
I would love to go if the model's free time coincide with mine
or should it be the other way around

thank you, i assume the price can be found in KL like times square, sg wang, etc ?
i saw one SB-600 here in cheras with a tagged price of RM1060
never bothered to to ask the shop owner

Hi guys, been a long time since I last posted here
Just didn't have the time to get distracted from college

However, PC Fair is a event that I'd never miss
And I travelled down with my friends

While everyone is distracted by the PC Fair, there was a fashion show kinda thiny promoting SK-II
I was just at the right place at the right time

It was my first taste of shooting something like this
And it certainly wasn't easy

Things came out blur

Lest not talk about my composition yet
I need techniques to make my shots come out crisp and clear for now
Any help ?

1.


2.


3.


4.


Because everything, and i mean EVERYTHING came out ugly, even these four are heavily photoshopped

An example of what most of the pictures came out like is this



Any advise for me next time ?

faster shutter speed & higher iso
or vr lens (but subject mustn't move a lot)
should help

I tried everything that I know
but I think the problem is that I'm not fast enough in changing the settings

When I got the right settings, they have finished the show

Guess all I need is experience

A VR lens would help though, anyone care to sponsor ?
keke..

Dorm's Mailboxes


Pixelized Windows


School's Out


Gotta take more pictures of the uni
But I do no justice to its beautiful sceneries
more to come..

Lao eh... I like the dorm's mailboxes... That's nice...

DOF over Windows
char dou

What's DOF?
That's in UNiM ma... OFC I like la... Cos it looks dull in real-life xD

Windows projected unto white screen
seems tempting to me, haha..

DOF = Depth of Field
photography talk, Shinchan and all the sifus here teach wan

now wats OFC ?

ofc = of course

Blue Blue Sky



C&C ?

If only the birds weren't caged

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This post has been edited by chang3rd: Jan 1 2007, 04:37 PM

#2 looks almost like it is not caged... cool cool....
i guess u use low f-stop n taken very near...