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alien9
post Jul 25 2014, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(fReqZz @ Jul 24 2014, 01:15 PM)
same, i am 29, weight about 47, heigh 165. kenot grow, kenot eat much because of appetite, been trying this and that to no avail.

PT is too expensive, around 100 per session.

sigh.
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Excuses excuses everywhere. You think to acquire knowledge is easy? If you are lazy, you better pay that PT.
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post Aug 2 2014, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(Armesh @ Aug 2 2014, 11:40 PM)
Why the f*** don't you just count calories for every food you eat. Just use the damn MyFitnessPal app to track. Yes, please weight your food.

And just use this to calculate your cals needs:
http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/

Sibeh sohai really can't tahan edy.
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post Aug 26 2014, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Aug 26 2014, 09:28 AM)
seriously, for newbie to easier absorb info, nothing beats Q&A. d pinned r towards hard facts, alot newbie jus need minimal info to start up i.e. wanna noe how n why n more info from experienced bodybuilders n strength trainers.

if this continue, this community cant grow.
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A discussion can start when a newbie have made their research and have questions regarding them. If a person come to you and ask "Why I can't grow bigger?", all the possible questions from a newbie were already answered in the pinned thread. Try to reply these kind of questions everyday and see whether you'll change your opinion on this or not.

This is a very good question by a forumer that we can discussed atm. I don't mind spending time answering this kind of question.
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post Aug 26 2014, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(kaiserwulf @ Aug 26 2014, 03:55 PM)
If think like this, LYN Finance and Property subforum already chaplap de. There even beginner can ask question.

I think that is what the few skinny guys here are commenting about. Why can't get a straight answer instead of kena screw.

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Well, I went to LYN Finance and Property subforum there. First thing I saw were a lot of pinned thread. Everything from funds 101, AKPK, ASB stuff until IBG. Same goes to LYN Fitness and Bodybuilding, we have double the amount of pinned thread compared to Finance subforum. Everything from losing weight, gaining weight, mythbusters, 6 packs, long compilations of exercises programs, tips and tricks for mass gaining, and articles from Iron Addict about Why Aren't You Growing. Problem is that the last guy come here and opened a thread saying that he can't gain weight but he ate a lot.

Come on man. How many pinned thread are needed to explain about reasons why you/them failed to gain weight and what you need to do to change that? They just won't bother to read.
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post May 5 2015, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(facelol @ May 5 2015, 09:51 AM)
the rule to gain weight/bulk up is easy

eat alot and lift heavy

that's all..just these 2 things.

when comes to eat. dont have to bother about good nutrition, just eat whatever etc junk food

and always go heavy on your workout
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Eat a lot and turn yourself to fat, nice.
Don't bother with nutrition, eat carbs and protein but no good fats for testosterone production, nice.

LOL at your face.
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post May 5 2015, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(facelol @ May 5 2015, 12:24 PM)
lol brah..

if ppl have high metabolism, they can eat whatever shit they want and wont become fat.

been there, done that. i am one of them. i am very skinny/bone figure.

i still remembered when i first get into bodybuilding/fitness , i eat fast food every single day. 1 day 2 sets of fast foods.

and my body fat is still between 9-11%

whats your bodyfat? looking at your avatar, i guess you're a fat guy. lol
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I guess if we take into consideration of avatar as our latest body pic, Manlet would have the biggest forearm in the world and you are not even a human being. How's that working for you?

How come you can bulk if you can maintain your bf% at the same level? For sure you are not gaining anything and that is due to you being non-knowledgeable in the requirements to gain muscle mass, hence reflected on your previous suggestion/advice.

Learn something.

p/s: You don't need to eat clean to gain muscle mass. That's a new knowledge for you for the day.

This post has been edited by alien9: May 5 2015, 12:42 PM
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post May 11 2015, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(Mubarak90 @ May 11 2015, 03:49 PM)
for somebody who trying to bulk up, I don't think, knowing each meal's calorie value is that important. You simply just need to eat more. If you think you can eat a lot and not gain size and weight, eat more than what you usually eat. I always thought that I can't get fat before, I was wrong. Just Eat More.
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Doesn't important? I beg to differ.

If you don't know how much you need to eat a day to gain weight, then how would you know whether you have eaten enough for the day to gain weight? You will going to keep on repeating the "Eat More" mantra each day and step on the scale and hoping that you'll gain weight.
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post May 11 2015, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(Mubarak90 @ May 11 2015, 04:32 PM)
I see, it's ok to differ with my opinion. My point is, why bother knowing all the calorie values? The main point is trying to gain more weight, and no limit is set. So, just go on and just eat. If you think even without exercise, eating 3 times a day would do you no good in gaining more weight, simply eat 5 times a day. Knowing calorie values in my opinion is just more important on somebody who wants to get a specific target. If you want to bulk up but planning on gaining just the right amount of weight, go on ahead and get the numbers because that would help you in balancing the whole process. If simply trying to be fat since you're saying you can't get fat and has already bored being skinny, just eat more than you usually does. smile.gif
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Skinny guys who failed to gain weight always said that they eat a lot but they never able to eat the amount of food they need to gain weight. So are we gonna say, "Eat More, Eat More" to them again and again? Isn't it insanity because they kept doing the same thing to "Eat More, Eat More" yet they still aren't able to gain weight.

My method? Count them calories. I will know how much calorie I need, how much I have eaten a day and how much left I need to reach my calorie goal. If I need another 900kcal but during supper time, I'll make some quick BroTein Shake consist of PB, Full Cream Milk, Chilled Banana, Greek Yogurt and more stuff which will fulfill that 900kcal and BAM, caloric requirement achieve! End of week, my food log will show that I have a 7500kcal calorie surplus and that more or less translate to 1kg of weight gain on the scale.

Sure it's hard to count calorie but it's a fool proof method. You'll teach yourself discipline, consistency, you have your small goals and big goals, and you have knowledge to back it up.

Your method, it's just like flying blind, hoping to reach the end of the landing strips for safe landing.
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post May 12 2015, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(kitfoong2752 @ May 11 2015, 09:30 PM)
mcdonalds, kfc, triple ramli burgers.... fast foods maggie mee.. so we are less likely to take food health into consideration when bulking? do we? hmmmmm.......
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It depends. Those food choices are usually for people who don't care how much fat their gained during their bulking period. They'll eat what they want as long as they reached their bulking calorie requirement and usually will exceeds by a huge amount.

There are people who still eat healthy (not to confuse with clean) while bulking, making sure the macro and micro are consumed adequately asd keeping the fat gain to a very minimal.
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post May 12 2015, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(Mubarak90 @ May 12 2015, 02:26 PM)
Correct, because the point is to gain weight. hehe
If the point is gaining muscle mass, then, definitely need exercise, eat more protein and less fat biggrin.gif
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post May 12 2015, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(Mubarak90 @ May 12 2015, 05:14 PM)
I see, true true. That is why I said, if someone just plan on gaining weight, they just need to eat more than they are doing currently. The type of food or lifestyle doesn't really matter.

But if they plan to build/gain more muscle mass (bigger muscles), then definitely they'll need to start exercise and work out. They'll also need to observe their diet properly by taking less fat and more protein. A lot of carbohydrates too since they'll need the energy to work out and fill the stomach.
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post May 12 2015, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(elzp4000 @ May 12 2015, 05:12 PM)
this thread suit me... currently i'm 170cm with 45kg +/-1 kg previously... now try hard to gain weight...
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So do you already have a plan of action?
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post May 12 2015, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(Mubarak90 @ May 12 2015, 06:22 PM)
Well, do you suppose they should be asking in kopitiam then? I just give my suggestion to those who are asking how they can gain their weight, if you don't agree with it, feel free to share your suggestion.

How do you know you're not eating enough? Simple really, if your current diet didn't make any shift in your current weight, it means you're not eating enough to gain weight. The thing is, after you're done counting the calories, you still need to eat to get that missing calorie.

From what I know, fat wouldn't be muscle no matter how much or less you eat it. Muscle came from protein. The size of you muscle may look bigger with fat covering it, but the actual muscle are not. The point of taking in less fat is only to give you a better idea of how big your muscle really is.
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Eating fat doesn't mean it will directly becomes fat nor eating protein will directly makes your muscle bigger. That's where you are wrong and that's due to your simple minded approach of gaining weight.

I'll say that no one here in this section want to gain weight and transform themselves from skinny bone to skinny fat (I guess you do) just so that they'll appear bigger.

It seems that you can see the flaws of your method due to:
1. You are never a hardgainer before, you only lacks money and transportation to go and eat food.
2. You have appetite of normal people. Hardgainer have appetite comparable of a skinny girl. They can't eat much and them knowing the amount they need to eat each day will force them to eat more (emphasis on force).
3. You don't really care on the outcome. Be a skinny fat is far more worse than be a skinny person. Nothing good comes from being a skinny fat. It's like "Out of frying pan into the fire".
4. You don't bother gathering more knowledge because "It works" on you. Yes it does, but not on the others. The calorie counting method is tried and tested by thousands if not millions of hardgainers.
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post May 13 2015, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(Mubarak90 @ May 12 2015, 07:13 PM)
haha, ok2. You know me better than myself. You also know all the mentality of a skinny person. I never said that eating fat will directly turn it into fat nor do I say eating protein will directly makes your muscle bigger, but you know me better than I do, so you must be right.

It's okay, I'm not actually here to argue, I only try to answer the others over here. Didn't actually thought that the professionals and professors here would be annoyed with it.

Please people, if you are skinny, count those calories, you'll gain muscle and become fit. If you guys somehow are just eating more without counting the calories, it will all be a waste and turn to feces. Ignore all my comments here because it won't do you no good~
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I'm ending our discussion with an experience of one of our forumer:

QUOTE(ahrapture @ May 13 2015, 01:06 AM)
I am skinny dude with a high metabolism. Never able to gain weight for the past 30 years.

Last month, I started on my first bulking mission. I fired up myfitness pal app to track my daily calorie intake.

Before mission
Weight : 50.1kg
Height 168cm
Age : 31

14 days mission
Weight : 52.5kg
Gym : 3-4 times / week
Calorie intake per day : Try to hit 2.5k (Most of the time left 100-200 calories)
Supplements : ON Serious Mass at night to top on top what I've eaten the whole day.

Considering that I have gained up to 2.3kg now, I think I am on the right track. Shall update more next week.
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Up to you to decide.
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post May 22 2015, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ May 22 2015, 08:31 AM)
please tell me how I can reach 3500 calories/day with minimal eating/costs?

What I do:
1 litre of coffee+milo/ovaltine+sugar+palm oil(4 spoon)
200gr of rice
4 pieces of eggs (scramble or omelette)
4 slice of bread+ovomaltine crunchy cream
40gr of cashew nut chocolate bar
1 apple

is this enough to get 3500 calories?
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reduce the coffee to 500ml
change the rice to oats
moar eggs
chocolate bar? change it to fruits to eat with oats.
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post May 22 2015, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ May 22 2015, 01:24 PM)
I saw the label in chocolate bar 20gr = 110kcal. if I ate 500gr chocolate bar/day already 2750kcal.
I need light food that bring more kcal rather than food like chicken breast that make my stomach bloated.
any idea?
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Are you gonna eat 25 chocolate bars? If you aren't able to eat a lot, separate them to smaller meals.
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ May 22 2015, 02:02 PM)
just download myfitness pal. Counted my menu listed above is 3,000 calories already so no need so much chocolate bars. are you sure your breakfast alone already at least 1,500 calories bro?
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My last night supper was 1L of Marigold HL Strawberry Milk + 2 large chill banana as a shake and 5 whole eggs because I eat less on dinner.
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ May 22 2015, 02:30 PM)
How much your calories intake per day bro?

Here's mine. 3.7k calories. Is it enough? I exceeded protein intake without whey according my fitness pal already 130+gr.
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How many eggs do you take to make that scramble eggs?
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QUOTE(rakyat @ May 22 2015, 02:40 PM)
Is it just me or its something wrong here? Your breakie is basically fortified milo and it's 610 cal? And two eggs is already 730 cal? Doesn't add up.

I eat 5 meals and find it hard to meet my 2600 daily calories without throwing in a couple of beers as fillers. My breakfast shake is hl milk + protein shake equals 500 calories less then your milo ± oil. I think you are over estimating.
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2 cups of eggs require 6 extra large / 8 medium eggs. Either it's the standard "wrong selection" or he ate 16 medium eggs a day.
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QUOTE(rakyat @ May 22 2015, 02:45 PM)
He wrote 4 eggs (daily or per meal oso still not enuf) 2 egg is not even 100 calories right?
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I think you have figured out the answer thumbup.gif 2 large eggs have 150 calories.

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