. Don't forget bukit bintang city centre project which is built on Pudu jail, that shit is >RM1,000 psf

Obviously. I'm not a full time property investor, I can't be going around exploring properties physically. I can only depend on reviews from the net. However, I did went to sites and galleries for quite a few properties and Lot 15 was surprisingly one of them when I dropped by subang.

I think many people mistaken my argument. I'm not trying to say Subang Jaya is bad or anything (not the best choice for me at least). What I am trying to say is Lot 15 is severely overpriced with little to offer. I'm not trying to prove Bukit Jalil or Damansara Avenue is more superior in terms of locality (If anything I would say all are pretty much equal to me) Many people still can't seem to defend that point apart from saying it is in Subang. CASA TIARA also in Subang ... right next to Lot 15 some more 

Let me put it this way, Lot 15 does not come with any furnishing while it is priced at RM900-1000 psf (net after rebate). Many high end, even as far as it being branded "Luxury" project that is >RM1,000 psf actually comes fully fitted or the very least partially fitted. Pavilion Hilltop @ Mont Kiara for example is priced at RM1000+ psf average net. However it is fully fitted with quality branded

: Air Conditioning
: Refridgerator
: Hot Water System
: Built in Kitchen cabinet (top & bottom)
: Hood & Hob
: Microwave Oven
: Island Top dry & wet kitchen
Try adding all those up and you are pretty much seeing Lot 15's value. Basically, Lot 15 is equivalent to many luxury project when you take all this into factor (No furnishing, no added value and little facility). This is also considering that Lot 15 rebates are limited time only. The RM10k + 1% is up till 1 sept 2018, if Sime kept their word that it is a limited time promotion, the project is actually more toward RM950 - RM1000+ price range (I saw Sime just took off those rebates just now and it seems that they are giving only the 6% rebate + kitchen cabinet as an ongoing promotion on their site, wonder if they really did took off those rebates cause ads still showing RM10k + 7%).

In Summary, if you work it backwards and include all the other stuff into your pricing factor, Lot 15 is the same range as many "luxury" serviced apartment at prime areas excl KLCC area.

Are you sure you've done your research cause the places you've listed are pretty much surrounding KLCC and I've look at quite a few of them because I wanted to buy around there.

Example of projects

The Colony, Chow Kit - 705sqf - from RM1,050,000 (>RM1,500 psf)
Pudu - Continew (as mentioned earlier countless time, it is located in front of a ghetto looking slump but price ... >RM850 psf)..... Don't forget bukit bintang city centre project which is built on Pudu jail, that shit is >RM1,000 psf

The list goes on and on.... so "when I add" those... it just further strengthen my points

Sentul west is of course near, from the middle it is >10km and like I said, Sentul is due to historical reasons as per the articles I pasted earlier.

Dear property Sifus,

Just want you guys opinion on this. Both Lot 15 tower A and Pavilion bukit jalil Park 2 Tower 2, same floor level and same pricing, which would you pick?

Lot 15
861 sqf corner unit
No extra furnishing apart from kitchen cabinet voucher
3 lifts servicing 188 units (Average serving 63 units per lift)
2 parking lots

Park 2
933 sqf
Aircond, top hung & base cabinet, cooker hob & hood, refrigerator, washing machine cum dryer, hot water heater unit (master bedroom only)
7 lifts servicing 324 units (Average serving 46 units per lift)
1 parking lot

Considering both situated at same floor level and the pricing is the same net after full rebate (I shit you not, I managed to get my agent to find a near identical pricing for these 2 projects within same floor level by playing around with rebates, the Prime discount etc.)

Factors that you may want to talk about include location/facilities/amnesties etc.

Which would you pick and why?

It doesnt matter cos you HATE Lot15 to the max and want to make a point. Both are in totally different locations. 1cp vs 2cp is MORE important than your small difference in lift density. 361 units vs 709 units. diff highways, distance to lrt etc. Ratio of total condos undercon/completed in BJ vs Suban jaya. Being connected to a potentially good mall vs existing good malls about a few hundred metres away.

Is buying properties now just base on these 4 factors?

Size
Lift
Carpark
Furnishing

Other factors less or not important?

The thing is you just pick and choose what factors that are more important to you or factors that make one of the fwo ptojects looks bad.

And ONE MAJOR FACTOR (OR TWO) you didnt mention. That are

1. Queen says
2. Emotional decision.
To be honest i pick neither.

Dear property Sifus,

Just want you guys opinion on this. Both Lot 15 tower A and Pavilion bukit jalil Park 2 Tower 2, same floor level and same pricing, which would you pick?

Lot 15
861 sqf corner unit
No extra furnishing apart from kitchen cabinet voucher
3 lifts servicing 188 units (Average serving 63 units per lift)
2 parking lots

Park 2
933 sqf
Aircond, top hung & base cabinet, cooker hob & hood, refrigerator, washing machine cum dryer, hot water heater unit (master bedroom only)
7 lifts servicing 324 units (Average serving 46 units per lift)
1 parking lot

Considering both situated at same floor level and the pricing is the same net after full rebate (I shit you not, I managed to get my agent to find a near identical pricing for these 2 projects within same floor level by playing around with rebates, the Prime discount etc.)

Factors that you may want to talk about include location/facilities/amnesties etc.

Which would you pick and why?

Lot 15.... location speaks the most... its subang jaya CBD... self sustaining township.... Bukit jalil... well... just another full of residential township with stadium + a brand new mall... around lot 15... i think within walking distance + super short driving distance... u are near to everything already... the semi furnishing that pavillion give is to compensate their pricing + location disadvantage + and the higher density.... size... 866 vs 933... really not significant... most important is the layout arrangement...

other than the mall... which i dont think will offer you any affordable daily necessities... u may have to go to sri petaling to get it... nearby pavilion also dont have much practical ordinary shoplots... or closer to earth grocery mall...

Did you even read my post? i've said "Factors that you may want to talk about include location/facilities/amnesties etc.". I can't list out everything, I only can list the things that are obvious, practical and value. Those items said are not subjective and it is about value. The other factors are towards subjective assumption already like Location, Amenities etc.

I dun even know how yr process of look for properties.

Maybe you are on high level intel side.

When i look for property i liook for location. Where u wnat to stay and its surrounding.

You have wife and kids? Do their opinion or daily routine matter? How about landed? Subsale old landed beside highrise? Beside lot 15 what are other projects around? Panaroma? Serene? Highpark? Paradigm? Ara damansara? Lembah subang? Subang wannabe aka bati tiga?

Why yiu dun compare all these except you pick one at kl address?

Buying property is not a beauty contest. See which property prettier.

If that is the case, you there is no difference between Casa Tiara and Lot 15 to you then? Might as well just buy Casa Tiara lo? I don't know what project you actually look at but whatever it is there is definitely a low end version of it next door, hence might as well get that lo?

Like I said, everything else is subjective. The only valid argument is the price/value/project offering stand point. You might think a location is good for you but others don't. For example if someone work in Klang, obviously that person would prefer to buy a property in Klang than in KLCC.

If you look at my previous posts, I tried very hard to refrain from talking about locality hence my focal point on Lot 15 is about the price vs the offerings. Obviously location affects the price a lot hence I can't avoid rebutting those who constantly argued "because it is in subang" which is why I brought up example of equally prime area (In my opinion at least) as comparison. You don't see me bringing out Klang as a comparison do you cause if that is the case, you will be getting a shit ton of value for less than RM600psf. Bukit Jalil, Subang Jaya, PJ, Bangsar south to me is almost equal in terms of locality value. Some might even say PJ and Bangsar south worth more than Subang and if that is the case, Lot 15 is on the losing end then cause its price is similar to bangsar south project PSF especially when you factor in that they gave no furnishing and also minimal facilities.

You berri funny lah.

If lot15 is not comparable, then dun compare lot 15 lah...
Pick one of the same size and power....why harsh on btw lot 15 vs bj?

Sdp can price to whatever they like. Ultimately if you as potentiam buyer dont see the value, then strike out loh...

Saw Lot 15 ads saying RM10k + 7% discount. Isn't those the hari raya rebates promotion which ends before 1st sept? Din't they just took off from their site on these special promotion and left only 6%+kitchen cabinet?

Whatever it is, whether they are still giving the RM10k+7% discount, I do hope this project don't end up giving even more than that (basically even more than the raya rebate) and suddenly give a bunch of furnishing to desperately sell off remaining units which basically screw over the existing buyers. TMP has done that already, which is disappointing hence I hope SDP don't do the same thing as TMP.  Otherwise, these whole time debating with you people would mean absolutely nothing anymore 

So bro which property did u end up buying or at least booked after all those survey. Subang or Bukit Jalil?