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post Aug 12 2014, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Aug 12 2014, 09:22 AM)
US allows RMAF to use F-18s against Indonesia?  biggrin.gif
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if legit then yes... like that pinoy kiram shit.. makan f-18

if US dont allow, we got ruski planes wat...

US at their best... stirring up shit in ppl's backyard

Indonesia ready to mediate in South China Sea, says Widodo: report <<<--- know why US donate planes to them?
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapa...to/1308176.html

Kerry urges China to be cooperative partner
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapa...be/1308250.html

Australia defends US security deal as talks open
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapa...us/1307848.html
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post Aug 12 2014, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Aug 12 2014, 01:39 PM)
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post Aug 12 2014, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Aug 12 2014, 04:19 PM)
So...Indonesia can't use F-16 against threatening neighboring forces even if it is for legit purpose?

Well....Indonesia under SBY administration is passive anyway, to the extend that many foreign forces breach the territory.
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if the neighbor is us ally then probably not..

breach the territory? wat do u mean... i would say SBY is among the best n greatest indon presidens... although he dun stand out like others.. he brings development n wealth to his people instead of barking silly remarks like d others or makan $$$

QUOTE(azriel @ Aug 12 2014, 05:06 PM)
Singapore Air Force F-15SG - RED FLAG Alaska 2014.

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i used to watch on the sides when i drop by elmendolf afb to buy cheap subsidized goods rclxms.gif
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post Aug 12 2014, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(minizian @ Aug 12 2014, 07:45 PM)
How the heck you managed to buy from the base? Isnt it only for airforce personel?
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only restricted area cannot masuk... a lot of civilians working part time in d base too.. their church also open to public... d afb is as big as a city.. next to it got fort richardson for army too... i always tipu wanna masuk to apply for national guard... beli ciggi cheap.. lol... where can u find one small city with 2 big military base.. lol

neway... ini US bodoh go kacau bee hive.. wat if russia/china put 2500 troops at cuba/mexico

US reassures China as 2,500 Marines head to Australia

The United States stressed on Tuesday (Aug 12) it welcomes the rise of China and wants to work constructively with Beijing as it signed a deal to deploy 2,500 Marines to Australia as part of its "rebalance" to Asia.

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SYDNEY: The United States stressed on Tuesday (Aug 12) it welcomes the rise of China and wants to work constructively with Beijing as it signed a deal to deploy 2,500 Marines to Australia as part of its "rebalance" to Asia. China bristled when the agreement to deploy Marines to the northern city of Darwin was first announced by President Barack Obama in 2011.

But after signing the deal at the Australia-United States Ministerial Consultations (AUSMIN) in Sydney, US Secretary of State John Kerry said Washington was not interested in conflict with the Asian powerhouse.

"We welcome the rise of China as a global partner, hopefully as a powerful economy, as a full participating constructive member of the international community," he said. "We are not seeking conflict and confrontation. And our hope is that China will likewise take advantage of the opportunities that are in front of it and be that cooperative partner."

Australia's Foreign Minister Julie Bishop earlier defended the deal to bring US Marines and Air Force personnel to the Northern Territory, denying it was aimed at China which is embroiled in maritime disputes with neighbours.

"That's not what it is directed to do at all. It's about working closely with the United States to ensure that we can work on regional peace and security," she told a radio programme. "The United States is rebalancing to the Asia-Pacific so it's a way we can work together to support economic development as well as security and peace."

After the talks Bishop, who also hosted US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, said the discussions were broad - ranging from tensions on the Korean peninsula to the crisis in Ukraine and to conflicts in Syria, Iraq, Gaza and Afghanistan.

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THREAT OF FOREIGN JIHADISTS

The threat of foreign jihadist militants fighting in these conflicts and then returning home radicalised was also explored. The US and Australia agreed to raise the issue at the United Nations. Kerry said this problem, highlighted by images in local media of the seven-year-old son of an Australian jihadist in Syria holding a severed head, underscored the degree to which Islamic State fighters were "so far beyond the pale".

"This image, perhaps even an iconic photograph, is really one of the most disturbing, stomach-turning, grotesque photos ever displayed," Kerry said. "It's no accident that every country in the region is opposed to ISIL (Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant)."

Bishop made no comment about the prospect of an increased US military presence beyond the Marines, some 1,200 of whom are already in the country. But a communique issued after the talks said that enhanced aircraft and naval cooperation was discussed, while the allies would also examine options for Australia's contributions to ballistic missile defence in the region.

Bishop said there existed between Australia and the United States "a clear instinct for collaboration across a wide area of endeavour". "There is a desire to share the burden of implementing regional and global peace and prosperity, security and stability," she said.

Bishop added that there was no more important security partner for Australia than the US and their longstanding alliance "had never been stronger". But she said Canberra did not envisage Australian troops would return to Iraq, where the US is carrying out air strikes and humanitarian airdrops to try to combat jihadist fighters.

However, Australia has offered support for humanitarian relief. Kerry also ruled out sending troops to Iraq. Speaking at the start of the talks at Sydney's harbourside Admiralty House, he said the Australia-US relationship was "essential to the stability of the Asia-Pacific region". "We do face new challenges," he said, citing North Korea and maritime disputes in the South China Sea.

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- AFP/ir
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post Aug 13 2014, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Aug 13 2014, 02:08 PM)
Syrian Army T-72M1 with slat armour.

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Singapore confers top military award on Malaysian army chief


General Zulkifeli Mohd Zin received the award for his “significant contributions” in strengthening the relationship between the two countries’ armed forces.

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SINGAPORE: President Tony Tan Keng Yam on Wednesday (Aug 13) conferred Singapore’s highest military honour on Malaysia's Chief of Army, General Zulkifeli Mohd Zin.

Gen Zulkifeli received the award, the Darjah Utama Bakti Cemerlang (Tentera) - the Distinguished Service Order (Military) - for his “significant contributions” in strengthening the relationship between the two countries’ armed forces, the Ministry of Defence (MINDEF) said.

“Under his leadership, interactions between both armed forces have expanded in both scope and depth. The two armed forces interact regularly through bilateral activities such as Exercise Semangat Bersatu and Exercise Malapura, which celebrated their 20th and 30th anniversary, respectively, this year,” MINDEF said.

Guests at the investiture included Minister for Defence Dr Ng Eng Hen, Minister of State for Defence Dr Maliki Osman, Permanent Secretary for Defence Chan Yeng Kit, Chief of Defence Force Lieutenant-General (LG) Ng Chee Meng, as well as senior government officials and military officers from Malaysia and Singapore.

Gen Zulkifeli called on Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong at the Istana on Tuesday, and Dr Ng and LG Ng at the Ministry of Defence before the investiture. During the calls, both sides reaffirmed bilateral defence ties and expressed commitment to increase interactions at all levels, MINDEF said.

- CNA/cy
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post Aug 13 2014, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Aug 13 2014, 07:45 PM)
That's why SBY vowed to outgun the neighbors including Singapore and Australia in a few decades. The acquisition of F-16 Block 52ID shows that Indonesia doesn't have any intention to invade other countries, but at least the planes can be used for quick responses and deterrence. 
Indonesians actually feel threatened, not aggressive. The last 16 years show that they can't trust any neighbour and anyone will take the opportunity take advantage of Indonesia when it is weak militarily and economically. Foreign forces repeatedly entered Indonesian territory during its weaker times.

Any assumption that Indonesia is planning to invade its neighbors is ridiculous. It's the other way around, Indonesians are worried that neighbors always sneakily look for ways to take advantage of Indonesia.
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outgun? nah... sby is out... acquisition? more like donation... so US can make indo bend towards their political will...

threatened? nah... only in business they cant trust...

wat foreign forces?


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post Aug 14 2014, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Aug 14 2014, 08:55 AM)
PLA training for Ship-borne helicopter landings on a maritime assault simulation.

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(Wagner's Ride of the valkyrie can be heard)
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Aug 14 2014, 10:02 AM)
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Vietnamese Army recruits share a funny moment. OMG,still use tikar mengkuang leh!
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u sure that's the latest uniform n equipments?
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post Aug 14 2014, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Aug 14 2014, 03:50 PM)
The initial plan was to purchase six "true" F-16 Block 52 with a budget of $750 million. But, there's also an offer for 30 F-16s second-hand grant, 24 will be refurbished for a cost of $750 million and the other six as spare parts.

So, these planes are not true donation, US still gets $750 million to improve the avionics to approach the Block 52 standard as well as overhauling the airframe and engine.

US doesn't have to make Indonesia bows to its political will, because Indonesia isn't concerned about doing any illegal things such as violating others' territories.

These planes will also be usable for only 15 years as stop-gap measures until more Sukhois are purchased and the production of KFX commences.

Foreign forces? ...think of Sulu and this

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB3000...386052690151508
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6 true f-16 b52 for 750mill? nah... too expensive

well, am sure part of the deal involves supporting us somehow

lol, US is not asking indo to attack somebody else... but by doing this that's in their favor... like keeping their troops away from AQ or ISIS or using military owned assets for terrorist activities.. to support US in south china sea dispute.. etc

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post Aug 14 2014, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Aug 14 2014, 06:04 PM)
Iraq purchases 18 F-16IQ for $2.3 billion....$125 million each including weapons, parts and supports. The same with 6 F-16 Block 52 for $750 million.

Well almost all countries, including Russia confront Al Qaeda and ISIS. Does that mean Russia bow to US political will? Even if it's true, these planes are just stop-gap measures, used only until 2020's.

Jokowi's administration plans to significantly increase annual defense budget until up to 2% GDP, so there will be enough fund in 15 years to replace these refurbished F-16s.

South East Asia isn't Western Europe where countries mutually trust one another. Territorial intrusions happen regularly.
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iraq's purchase is donation also... $2.3bill which iraq will nvr pay back.. it will be written off

did russia receive US planes?

well, he's making a big mistake... instead of using the $$$ to fill the void left over by subsidy... he's using it for non constructive purposes


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post Aug 15 2014, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Aug 15 2014, 10:24 AM)
I'm relating to the fact that the normal price of F-16 Block 52 including weapons, parts and supports is around $125 million each, not whether Iraq gets it as a donation or not.

Yes..Russia doesn't receive US planes. But it still confronts Al Qaeda and ISIS. The point is, Indonesia doesn't have to bow politically to US, because US still gets $750 million for upgrade tasks. So, there's no significant political implication for the grant of 30 F-16s.

Without Indonesia, those planes will rot in AMARC anyway and US doesn't get $750 million of contract.
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which i am disputing cause ur fact is by reading it by its cover is misleading... u gotta read between d lines

aq n isis is related to their conflict in chechnya... of course they have a stake...

layman wont know what's part of the agreement... US never gives out things for free

could have given it to pinoy...
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post Aug 15 2014, 07:30 PM

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Singapore confers top military award on Malaysian army chief
General Zulkifeli Mohd Zin received the award for his “significant contributions” in strengthening the relationship between the two countries’ armed forces.

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SINGAPORE: President Tony Tan Keng Yam on Wednesday (Aug 13) conferred Singapore’s highest military honour on Malaysia's Chief of Army, General Zulkifeli Mohd Zin.

Gen Zulkifeli received the award, the Darjah Utama Bakti Cemerlang (Tentera) - the Distinguished Service Order (Military) - for his “significant contributions” in strengthening the relationship between the two countries’ armed forces, the Ministry of Defence (MINDEF) said.

“Under his leadership, interactions between both armed forces have expanded in both scope and depth. The two armed forces interact regularly through bilateral activities such as Exercise Semangat Bersatu and Exercise Malapura, which celebrated their 20th and 30th anniversary, respectively, this year,” MINDEF said.

Guests at the investiture included Minister for Defence Dr Ng Eng Hen, Minister of State for Defence Dr Maliki Osman, Permanent Secretary for Defence Chan Yeng Kit, Chief of Defence Force Lieutenant-General (LG) Ng Chee Meng, as well as senior government officials and military officers from Malaysia and Singapore.

Gen Zulkifeli called on Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong at the Istana on Tuesday, and Dr Ng and LG Ng at the Ministry of Defence before the investiture. During the calls, both sides reaffirmed bilateral defence ties and expressed commitment to increase interactions at all levels, MINDEF said.

- CNA/cy
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Malaysian police Special Branch director awarded Meritorious Service Medal

SINGAPORE: President Tony Tan Keng Yam has conferred the Pingat Jasa Gemilang (Meritorious Service Medal) on Akhil Bulat, Director of the Special Branch for the Royal Malaysia Police.

The award was presented to him by Deputy Prime Minister, Coordinating Minister for National Security and Home Affairs Minister Teo Chee Hean at the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) on Thursday (Aug 14).

An MHA news release says the award is a recognition of Mr Akhil’s outstanding role and commitment in developing the ties between the Malaysia Special Branch (MSB) and the Internal Security Department (ISD) in Singapore, and his significant contributions to the security of Malaysia, Singapore and the region.

MHA also said under Mr Akhil's leadership, the relationship between the MSB and ISD has grown even closer, characterised by substantive exchanges of counter-terrorism intelligence and cooperation in security investigations.

"The successful repatriation to Singapore of several Singaporean Jemaah Islamiyah and Moro Islamic Liberation Front members apprehended in Malaysia is a testament of Datuk Seri Akhil Bulat’s commitment to working closely with Singapore, especially against the terrorism threat," MHA said.

- CNA/by

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post Aug 16 2014, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Aug 15 2014, 11:02 PM)
The black jacket is call No.5....its for oversea (cold weather). We wear the ribbon, not medal. But his jacket got both ribbons & medals. Mane boleh...ribbon utk pakaian keje harian, medal utk pakaian istiadat.
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post Aug 16 2014, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Aug 16 2014, 12:12 AM)
not entirely free, they still get $750 million....so US can't be too demanding with their terms, if any.
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it is not a demand... it is a take it or leave it... a requirement by congress for weapons export... standard for all non-allied countries...
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post Aug 24 2014, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Aug 23 2014, 09:09 AM)
f-35 delay... that's why

QUOTE(azriel @ Aug 23 2014, 09:49 AM)
well, itu US buat kacau... say international waters but it is right at china's door step.. if china does the same, US would do the same as well

QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Aug 23 2014, 05:50 PM)
question, why singapore likes F-15s and why Indo's like F-16s? why they don't go for F-18 like us?
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sg got nearly 80 f-16s... indo no choice, part of donation.. f-18 designed for carrier


QUOTE(thpace @ Aug 23 2014, 08:12 PM)
f-15 is mainly air superiority fighter, good for defending air space especially small island like Singapore. They no need for large bombing capacity.

f-18 is multirole fighter, suitable for us due to out small procurement number and most important it twin engine

f-16 is also a multirole figther but it single engine something that our air force have avoided. Mmrca i think twin engine with two seater variant have a higher chance of winning

trivia... we always avoided having what the neighbour have, that why u wont see the same inventory  laugh.gif
darker tone in paddy field. I wonder how it will perform while on wet paddy field
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sg got f-16 for bombing... their f-15s to take control of air, can do light bombing..

twin engine so 1 hilang got 1 more? brows.gif lol, joke joke...

if f16vs f18 dog fight.. i think f16 might win..


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post Aug 24 2014, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Aug 24 2014, 12:15 AM)
not sure, i asked the same question as well but it seem the air force is mainly interested in twin engine and and best two sit variant

dog fight? Most likely they will send the mkm and mig up instead of f18, better equid for the task on hand

anyway, with Malaysia wanting a mid range SAM, i am sure most our immediate neighbours will have their eyes blinking once it purchased

sadly after the mh17 incident, chances of buk being selected sure going down the drain
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probably can carry more bombs...

true also... nearly forgot tongue.gif


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post Aug 26 2014, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(wkkm007 @ Aug 24 2014, 11:04 PM)

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for law enforcement n border patrol? dont think its for military application... too fragile
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post Aug 26 2014, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Aug 26 2014, 05:24 PM)
You guys better wake up and face the reality we dun have money. laugh.gif
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msia have got the $$$ just that we focus on other priorities..

also defense procurement and contracts is always linked to corruption in msia..


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post Aug 26 2014, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Aug 26 2014, 08:09 PM)
Nope we still can't afford a usd10bil budge for military laugh.gif
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rolleyes.gif double the economy thumbup.gif
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post Aug 27 2014, 03:09 AM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Aug 26 2014, 09:48 PM)
Imo, for budget wise it is best if we were able to have usd6bil.
With these we would have at least usd2bil for procurement.
as for esszone the government should separately allocate usd1bil initial budget to strengthen esszone.
We should still be able to afford these by cutting on brim and some others subsidies.
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the problem is... all these bring no returns... only for deterrent and some ball flexing, peg at 2% gdp is about right...
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QUOTE(thpace @ Aug 27 2014, 03:42 AM)
mahathir time this could be possible, tat was when wat the defence force want, they get laugh.gif

now? habuk pun tak ada cry.gif
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mamatir ego big, that time good times... and mamatir dont songlap defence procurement / contrak

now on the other hand... hmmm hmm.gif

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