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post Aug 25 2014, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Aug 25 2014, 02:56 PM)
I tot the contract for SGPV also included money to upgrade the BHS shipyard. So, why should we buy foreign ships when BHS will eventually capable of doing so? Purchase for more surface ships aint coming in near future anyway..

our neighbours buy new ships and weaponry, kita meleleh je tengok..takper, janji handbag baru akak tu leh beli..
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Err.
it will be build locally but currently with ngv tech having dispute and financial woes not sure these project will goes on.
Ngv tech too aggressive with their expension plans really put themselves into tight spot.
anyway back to the boustead, yes they are upgrading their ship yards however they have their hand full now.
which I doubt they have the capacity to fill two order at the same times.
if navy want new ship asap they have to find others ship yards.
which is a good thing if it were not monopoly by boustead.
besides the government still bind with boustead on the 27 ngpv contract which only fulfill just 6 ship and on going 6 gowind class and 15 more ship to go.

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post Aug 25 2014, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Aug 25 2014, 03:12 PM)
BHS no capable to build warship, some more BHS only built first time kedah class project, not consider well know-how to built warship yet specially system integration.  Gov maybe can consider new 500~600 tons FAC ask BHS to propose and built a sample ship to try out if good can buy more units, so they can get more experience.
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Slep upgrade on the Kasturi class is done by boustead.
they should have the experience to do it.

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post Aug 25 2014, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Aug 25 2014, 03:18 PM)
27ngpv? i though already cancelled after only 6 was ordered (kedah class)
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Mana ada cancel it being rectify under sgpv contract.
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Aug 25 2014, 03:21 PM)
upgrade more easy than complete new design and built new warship. that why we can try own built 500~600 tons warship first, any wrong still can use as patrol boat.
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Wait am I missing something here.
Y are we doing these?
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QUOTE(thpace @ Aug 25 2014, 03:27 PM)
i always thought the new gowind is new contract after the kedah class was cancelled. nvr thought it continuation or readjustment
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That y sgpv default it will be boustead as main contractor.
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Aug 25 2014, 03:33 PM)
Navy looking replace Perdana/Hadalan FMC which new one on next RMK,so is good time for BHS if they can come out own design of Fast Missile boat and propose to Navy. so we can get cheap built cost.
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I see.
But then were they able to do two project at the same times?
I want it to be open bidding instead.

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post Aug 25 2014, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Aug 25 2014, 03:49 PM)
that mean it highly unlikely we will get new class of ship until tis 27 order is fulfil

goodbye mini dokdo  cry.gif  cry.gif
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That one lain punya project.
we still can get if we have enough funding.
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QUOTE(thpace @ Aug 25 2014, 03:53 PM)
NGVTech need to solve their problem first

i got a feeling govement will have to step in again to bail them out
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Yup ngv tech have to solve the problem first.
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Aug 25 2014, 03:51 PM)
That is question,
After BHS shipyard upgrade, they can construct 3 ship at one go. they sure how to adjust schedule.
Other think BHS can consider take over NGVTech so small warship can built over there. 
usually will open tender, just want local built, or join oversea shipbuilding like Meko- with B&V, Gowind with DCNS, Gagah Samudara with DSME
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Bhs enough money to take over ngvtech?
Their financial are pretty tied up with sgpv.
I dun think they want to get their hand into the mess.
Also I think the tldm might not be very keen boustead having their hand ngvtech after some unpleasant thing happen in sgpv issue.
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QUOTE(azriel @ Aug 25 2014, 04:05 PM)
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Perhaps we should get skyranger and skyarcher for our av8
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I see.
bhs really try to take over.
Btw atreyu what really happen to ngv tech?
As at now I only heard financial problem and possible some dispute on going.
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Aug 25 2014, 04:44 PM)
ngv tech and bns is different? i thot ngv tech screw up ngpv so bns take over it?? shocking.gif
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Yg screw up itu psc.
Boss pondan tu entah dah lari ke mana.
mayb dah kena black ops kot.
Ngvtech lain punya company.
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Aug 26 2014, 03:40 PM)
Just read wikipedia abt the spanish aircraft carrier principe de asturias and was wondering what wud happen if we get it in like 2021. Lets say(highly unlikely) that najib raises the defence budget to 2.5% gdp, would it be a good idea to form a carrier battle group with gowinds, subs, the carrier with f35s and upgraded kedahs?? Btw im not saying theres a chance this will happen, juz trying to feed my fantasy biggrin.gif
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Nope it is stupid idea to have aircraft carrier.
aircraft carrier are for those who want to cari gaduh.
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post Aug 26 2014, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Aug 26 2014, 03:49 PM)
Better get LHD than Principe de Asturias. LHD is more suitable for us.
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Get lst and ldp first.
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You guys better wake up and face the reality we dun have money. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Aug 26 2014, 05:25 PM)
2 subs are not enough.....but now we are progressing to enlarge our ops area...... to cover some other areas.
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I dun think we are going to get sub any time soon.


QUOTE(waja2000 @ Aug 26 2014, 05:35 PM)
Get 2 new Scorpene 2000 AIP also ok lah. already more bugger.
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We need 8 subs.

QUOTE(patt_sue @ Aug 26 2014, 05:36 PM)
can we ask MISC to lease any of their freighter ship and convert it to LHD as being done to bunga emas 5 & 6..

The lease is only RM 1 per ship  tongue.gif ......
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No need lease just give foc the decommisioned ship
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Aug 26 2014, 07:56 PM)
msia have got the $$$ just that we focus on other priorities..

also defense procurement and contracts is always linked to corruption in msia..
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Nope we still can't afford a usd10bil budge for military laugh.gif
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Imo, for budget wise it is best if we were able to have usd6bil.
With these we would have at least usd2bil for procurement.
as for esszone the government should separately allocate usd1bil initial budget to strengthen esszone.
We should still be able to afford these by cutting on brim and some others subsidies.
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Aug 27 2014, 05:51 PM)
do u guys think the av8 is worth it?? shud we just have bought it from eg, south africa or turkey or indon for much cheaper??
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We should go for AMV.
I would not say it does not worth it or it worth it.
I rather disagree with the way the government manage the project.
having too many variants is expensive as we should start with 2-3 variants and build it in large number.
The project can prolonged and ensuring cont production line by further developing newer variants and adding new variant into the military.
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QUOTE(azriel @ Aug 27 2014, 06:28 PM)
CMIIW there are 12 variant of AV8 right? I think it's too much. Should have 3 - 4 variant first:

- AV8 with Denel Turret
- AV8 RWS
- AV8 Mortar
- AV8 Ingwe
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Yup 12 variants.
I prefer they go for.
denel turret, rws and ingwe first.
2nd batch developed scout variant, c2, anti-air and perhaps buy additional denel turret and rws variants.
3 batch mayb mortar and so on.

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