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Investment EKOCHERAS @ JALAN CHERAS (Ver 3) [MRT PROPERTY], Where Cheras becomes Mont'Jiulai

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post Jan 31 2015, 06:26 PM

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The hotel has been made shorter and smaller with slightly greater distance to Block H
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post Feb 1 2015, 03:19 PM

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No more SOHO?

Those who bought with intention to use as office how?
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post Mar 7 2015, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(unconnected @ Mar 7 2015, 07:21 PM)
Hotel suites for sale??
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Should be sales and leaseback. Who is the operator?
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post Mar 8 2015, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(Babizz @ Mar 8 2015, 07:08 PM)
when is the exact VP month n yr.. i heard developer cashfpow not strong thts why progress so slow.
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post Mar 9 2015, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(Babizz @ Mar 8 2015, 10:21 PM)
i think shld be delayed 6-12 months maybe? brows.gif wht u think of d hotel viability? shld do well with MRT n Mall right?
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Got potential lah
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post Mar 9 2015, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(restful increase @ Mar 8 2015, 06:36 PM)
the 2nd 10% payment has been delayed fr mac 2015 to june. the 3rd 10% will also be due Oct 2015. So for those who borrowed 70%, b ready to pay ur balance 20% this year.
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They have not even started on the structure yet. High floor units unlikely will be bill the 3rd 10% by oct 2015
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post Mar 9 2015, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(mybenz @ Mar 9 2015, 04:00 PM)
With such a low entry.. the hotel suites rental sure undercut all single bed  sweat.gif
250k 1.5k rental can do ah?

1000+ previous buyers  and only 250 units.
Saturday sure BBB!
One day finished booked out?
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Hotel is on daily rental lah

Assuming rm200 per day and conservative 70% occupancy of 21 days, the monthly rental is rm4200. If net profit is 50%, net return is rm2100 per month.

Yield is 10%. The hotel operator can give you GRR of 6% per year and pocket the 4%.

The return per room to the operator is Rm2500 per room per year and based on 250 rooms , he make rm2.5m net




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post Mar 13 2015, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(mybenz @ Mar 13 2015, 06:28 AM)
Let's put the grr aside because never been said there is grr at this point. What about if without grr?
Self manage as per individual Strata units.. Just like a normal service suites of course only a room.. Can lease it montly like 1.5-1.6k? If this the case it will cannibalize into the single  room  Soho and apartment market being the lowest entry!
Well that if the hotel come w a pantry to sustain a loong term stay.... If this the case then worth to consider
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If they sell the hotel and buyer lease back to them to manage without GRR, then it can only be profit sharing based on hotel performance. Cann't think of any other business model

How can buyer self managed when it is on short term daily basis? If the hotel,is self managed and has no centralised management then u better run away fast fast
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QUOTE(restful increase @ Mar 13 2015, 06:21 PM)
get ready balance of 20% payment for those who obtained 70% loan. u will b asked to pay up this year.
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Will the piling be completed that soon?

I cann't even seen the basement carpark being dug...
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post Mar 13 2015, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(Jagalat @ Mar 13 2015, 09:58 AM)
Below are the questions collected so far (I may miss some).
Feel free to add/edit/answer and refer to it tomorrow.
(A) Hotel Overall
(1)How many stars is expected on this hotel?
(2)Strata title for each unit?
(3)Full furnished? Fully Furnished
(4)Any available water point to do a small pantry in the unit?
(5)What is the price(psf) increased per floor?
(B) GRR package
(1) GRR or not?
(2) If GRR, what is the %?
(3) GRR for how many years?
(4) What is the ROI of 1st year, 2nd year, 3rd year until expiry?
(5) How much is the maintenance fee?
(6) Who pays maintenance fee?
(7) What is the renew package after GRR expired?
© Hotel operator
(1) Who is the operator?
(2) What is the Hotel Operator's paid up capital amount? (just to know its background)
(3) Hotel Operator MoU signed?
(4) Who to pay furniture replacement? Owner?
(5) In case of the Hotel Operator who responsible for GRR ceased to operate, what would be the issue to buyers?
(D) Expenses
(1) When is the next draw down?
(2) What is the GST calculation along the construction period?
(E) SPA
(1) Are all of the above details spelt in SPA?
(2) Else, which one is not spelt?
(3) Free SPA legal fee, etc?
(4) Free loan legal fee, etc?
I have yet decided to attend(still 15/16).
If any daikor/boss can reply with answers tomorrow, the picture will get a whole lot clearer.
Thanks up front.
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Bro, u are the best!

To me, the most important question is who is the operator. If it is an international chain hotel with good track record, then the future is more secured. A hotel performance is very much depend on the management. Also most international hotel chain will insist to sign at least 10 years or more management contract as they want to maximise the return for their effort invested, so the buyer of the GRR will be assured of a long term return stream. If the hotel is doing strong, after the GRR period, there will be parties who may wish to purchase at market price and buyer can realise the capital appreciation
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post Mar 14 2015, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(HELLO HELLO @ Mar 14 2015, 01:33 PM)
This area gonna be Future new super cannon room happy ending playground. Sibeh syok! Can't wait for it to complete.

Actually mont kiara also ada Sibeh banyak private happy ending cannon room. 1 of the best in klang valley. Mostly International stock. That's only available if u know the inside people. They will bring u play play happy ending.

I got manyak friends from pj and Juilai Sibeh like to come to mont kiara cari quality stocks play play in cannon room.

Now this ekocheras soon become 1. Hopefully stock quality good enough can match mk.
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My friend, have to say that your prediction will be quite accurate.

So more the bare unit sold are individually owned and not under the hotel management...something i have never seen before
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QUOTE(soon9913 @ Mar 14 2015, 02:41 PM)
Lease agreement is 5years and 6% GRR/yr. negotiate again after the end of the lease term.
Std size of the hotel room is 250sqf. Bare unit is about RM250k and no GRR while full furnish unit start at RM318k before early bird discount.
As per SA, the net return is about 4%-4.5% per year after deduct mgt fee, assessment quite rent, electricity water n etc.
And please take note the progress billing will be subject 6% GST in future.
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Above price is before 5%+5%+2%

Strange that electricity n water borne by owner rather than operator

68k for furnishing over 250 sf is RM272 psf...how many star wor?
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QUOTE(syong888 @ Mar 14 2015, 06:31 PM)
Hotel Suites >>> quality stocks cannon room
Service Apartment >>> 2nd milk village

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High rental yield for investor!
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post Mar 14 2015, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(soon9913 @ Mar 14 2015, 07:33 PM)
Bro, high yield return for investment in hotel room or investment in 2nd milk? 😄
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Both, bro. Surely u want to give the best to her so she will give her best to u...lol

Open a kitchen nearby that provide double boiled soup delivery...sure good business
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post Mar 16 2015, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(tetsu @ Mar 16 2015, 10:40 AM)
Booked a bare unit yesterday. Price after discount around 230k.

Since its a hotel suite, short term rentals (AirBnB style) are probably allowed?
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How will u self managed? Need to take reservation, collect deposit & room nights, provide key to customer when they check in or arrive, housekeeping, check room in order after check out, issue invoice and receipt for payment, refund deposit??
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QUOTE(restful increase @ Mar 16 2015, 12:12 PM)
Jagalat-kor, the construction progress seems slow considering we signed the S&P end of 2013..
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Bro, this is very very slow. Any insider news why they have not go full blast on the construction?

Cannot be no funding under Ekovest, right? Thought they already charged the project land for bridging financing
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QUOTE(samkps @ Mar 16 2015, 01:36 PM)
Wow, SOHO units have been launched since Sep 2013.. Now already March 2015 (1.5 years gone), seems like still don't have any progress?  shocking.gif  shocking.gif

Another 2.5 years till completion, right? When's the SPA signing date?  hmm.gif
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First SPA in Dec 2013. LAD will start from Jan 2018
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QUOTE(mybenz @ Mar 16 2015, 01:31 PM)
yup i am sure they have lot of rules to control on standadization,
takkan suddenly one owner put a grilled out side and some owner put colour window
i am not sure on the dmc
maybe for interior id etc they might want to control as in all reno only can go with the appointed agency etc

thus the package is vague and all this is a question mark!
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Many many question marks- ??? rclxub.gif
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post Mar 16 2015, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(mybenz @ Mar 16 2015, 01:29 PM)
This one is hybrid .
those non GRR can use as service apartment type. Internal furnishing up to own.
Strata title. as usual others rulez governed by DMC maybe

for those services, can engage the management co if at the end of the day decided to do airbnb style.
or you can engage 3rd party external cleaning service.
Is totally up to you.
You want to rent out like a unit like 2 years contract or airbnb style and engage your own cleaning agency for daily , weekly, monthly etc

or you engage ekovest asset management team to do for u.

this hybrid concept is new to me too
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Never heard of hybrid concept...normally have to be compulsory lease back to the developer/hotel operator. Purchaser should also sign Power of Attorney back to developer/hotel operator so that they can vote for 100% of the units at the AGM.

If later number of votes of those who bought bare unit are more than those furnished units, they can veto any decision of the hotel management then jialat loh...
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QUOTE(Jagalat @ Mar 16 2015, 02:17 PM)
The bare-unit package that will not be "taken care" by operator and no car park is my two main concerns.
JMHO, the best scenario to me is all buyers go for the fully furnished package and lease back.
But not sure if the ROI is attractive to buyers

Other daikors/bosses pls don't take me wrong, I hope the hotel units all sold out and buyers opt for fully furnished  packages.
This indicates again EKC is really ONG!!!
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Bro, no carpark is fine because if operated as a hotel, the guest can get daily pass/chop ticket for the number of days that they are staying. For the self managed, how do they handle, buy monthly season pass from the operator for the guests?

6% GRR is quite the market norm and is the minimum return. Some even offer GRR of 8%

We all hope that EKC will be the most ONG place in Jiu Lai but it is difficult to understand the thinking of the developer...

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