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Investment EKOCHERAS @ JALAN CHERAS (Ver 3) [MRT PROPERTY], Where Cheras becomes Mont'Jiulai

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QUOTE(Jagalat @ Aug 8 2014, 06:33 PM)
Thanks for the video.  thumbup.gif
If only there is another stair closer to EKC...
That saves some exposure to sunlight/rain (understand there is a link-bridge from EKC)  whistling.gif  whistling.gif

Wonder what the feeder bus route of Tmn Mutiara Barat side will be...
Station -> EKC -> Mutiara Barat -> Awanapuri -> Tayton Harmoni -> Tayton View -> [Connaught(Tayton side)??] -> Station???
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The link bridge is supposed to be air conditioned
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post Aug 8 2014, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(Jagalat @ Aug 8 2014, 09:39 PM)
Sounds great! This makes EKC higher grade.
Just wondering who should fund and maintain the aircond? Feasible?
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Haha...I was just speculating

Trinity built the 1st air con bus station in malaysia at the Zest n earn lots of marketing points for their projects

Maybe ekovest will follow, more so the link bridge bring crowd to their mall, more traffic, they can increase the mall rental rate
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post Aug 9 2014, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(neonikson1 @ Aug 9 2014, 06:03 PM)
Real estate investment is going to face big challenges, knowing the government will continue to implement cooling measures until they think that the market is finally cooled off.
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But inflation is taking place every where before GST is introduced, seems like businesses are already factoring the cost increase from GST n up their price in advance

So while Gomen try to cool property prices, property is still among the best inflation hedge

Susahnya!
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post Aug 9 2014, 10:39 PM

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What are the statistics for EKC?

Total Soho units =

Total one room 762 sf Soho units =

Total Soho units with 2 rooms n above =



Total SA units =

Total 596 sf studio =

Total one room 821 sf unit =

Total SA with 2 rooms n above =
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post Aug 11 2014, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(neonikson1 @ Aug 11 2014, 10:05 AM)
I think rm2.5 psf is more realistic given the current rental market.
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Think the eventual critical market rental rate will depend on few factors:

1. The overall success of the EKC as the future landmark of Cheras
2. Whether the MRT is running yet
3. The success of the mall
4. Internal competition. This will involve analysis on the size composition of the different units within EKC vs the demand of the target tenant pool who CAN afford the asking rental. Who CAN and is willing to pay
5. Small units will have higher rental rate psf vs bigger unit
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post Aug 11 2014, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(CMW123 @ Aug 9 2014, 10:39 PM)
What are the statistics for EKC?

Total Soho units =

Total one room 762 sf Soho units =

Total Soho units with 2 rooms n above =


Total SA units =

Total 596 sf studio =

Total one room 821 sf unit =

Total SA with 2 rooms n above =

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Any taikor know these statistics as it will provide some guide on the strength or weakness of different sized units vis-a-vis the others i.e. In terms of internal competition for subsale or rental upon VP?
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post Aug 13 2014, 12:48 PM

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Good read for condo investment from the STAR on 9 Aug 2014:

Poser on condo market

BY THEAN LEE CHENG



JOHN, 45, is considering buying a second condominium unit. He bought his first unit for about RM200,000 more than 10 years ago. He is considering upgrading to a bigger unit.

Other than location, he has concluded that the other factor to be considered would be the price point. It must not be a lot more than RM500,000.

Whether one is 30 or 50 years old, half-a-million ringgit seems to be the magic number among house buyers these days.

The problem is, RM500,000 will probably buy John and other like-minded folk a studio unit or a 400-square-feet Small Office, Home Office (SoHo) or variants of it.

John knows the property market is not as hot as before. In fact, he is hoping for prices to dip in order to pick up a choice unit.

The overall property market is consolidating. The pace and degree of increases in prices is certainly not as high as before. This consolidation in the property market has brought into focus a couple of issues besetting the market, specifically, the condominium sub-segment.

For a number of years now, property consultants have lamented the glut in condominium units in the country, particularly in the Klang Valley and subsequently in Johor.

That grouse continues unabated today. But other than shouting from the rooftops about a general glut and the current buyers’ market, property consultants are narrowing down to specifics bedeviling the condominium sector.

Possibly the most glaring of issues, says Raine & Horne executive director Lim Lian Hong, is the high number of units of 2,000 sq ft and above and the dearth of takers, be it buyers or tenants.

He says anything 2,000 sq ft and above is difficult to sell and rent. This is “particularly prevalent” in the Klang Valley.

Whether it is buying or renting, they are staying away from large units, as the bigger the built-up, the higher the price, he says.

“Two factors determine the market today – units with a built-up area of 1,000 sq ft or a ringgit value at the RM500,000 level. This situation has resulted in developers generally planning for their projects based on these two criteria,” says Lim.


“Up to RM700,000, we still think it is affordable. Anything above that is very difficult to sell and banks are finding it tougher to give loans. These are the determining factors today,” he says. Lim says he does not know how long this situation will prevail.

These two criteria upon which buyers base their purchases on is particularly glaring in locations in Mont’ Kiara and the Kuala Lumpur City Centre (KLCC).

The outcome is that buyers are buying into one-bedroom units of about 700 sq ft in Mont’ Kiara (with a monthly rental of between RM2,500 and RM3,500) and developers are building small units of less than 1,000 sq ft in the KLCC area for about RM1mil.

The point is, with an average monthly rental of RM3,000, a young Malaysian may as well buy his/her own unit. Which means, the owner of a one-bedder will be seeking a foreigner to rent the place.

Multiplying usage

Lim says developers are also discovering that their strategy of multiplying usage, which has seen the launch of mixed-use commercial units such as SoHos, SoFos, SoVos - essentially small offices, home offices - may not be as workable as initially thought.

“Developers thought that by multiplying usage – either for residential or office use – they could sell. But this has not been the case,” says Lim.

“They are finding out that they cannot mix the two,” he says.

He points out that this dual mix - as when one occupant uses it as an office and his neighbour uses it as a home - is not beneficial for the overall market.


Many of the issues in the high-rise residential market - mixed usage, prohibitive prices and lack of takers - have resulted in saturation in the market. This has invariably led to the current consolidation facing this residential segment, says PPC International managing director Siders Sittampalam.

“Greater KL is undergoing a broad base consolidation,” says Sittampalam, who is also the president of the Association of Valuers, Property Managers, Estate Agents and Property Consultants in the Private Sector.

He says the market saw a tremendous number of launches in 2011, “one too many for the market to absorb”.

The amount of funds in circulation, coupled with the ease of lending, resulted in “every subsequent launch being priced higher than the next”, a phenomenon not seen in the 1980s, Sittampalam says.

Prices went up in 2009/10 but had a very steep increase in 2011, with the overall market conditions facilitating multiple launches by developers.

Because the physical supply was not there then, that false sense of “smooth sailing” prevalent in the 2011/12 period may reverse this year and next, Sittampalam adds. Come this year and next, many of these units will be ready for occupation and will be placed on the rental market, he says. The time may come when a reality check is inevitable.

“Nobody questioned it then (in 2011) and the developers’ role was to sell,” he says.

In certain high-density areas, Sittampalam has seen a drop in pricing and rent since the middle of last year. The total volume of transactions has also contracted, he says.

In Mont’ Kiara, the more popular sizes are those with smaller built-up areas, with a pricing of about RM500 per sq ft, he says.

He says that location is characterised by a wide price range, variety in sizes and quality, with newer developments priced between RM800 and RM900 per sq ft and the older units about half that price.

“There is a huge discrepancy (there) because you are looking at entirely different levels of housing in terms of quality and amenities,” he says. Density issues have also given rise to congestion.

Rental per sq ft has also been on the decline from RM3.20 psf to RM2.80 psf or less in some developments in Mont’ Kiara. However, the positive side about Mont’ Kiara condominiums is that they offer amenities and security.

Sittampalam says a fully furnished three-bedroom 1,200 sq ft built-up unit in Mont’ Kiara may fetch a monthly rent of about RM3,600 compared with a double-storey house in Taman Tun Dr Ismail for RM3,500 and a Bangsar house for RM3,800.

Sittampalam and Lim’s comments differ markedly from Carey Properties managing director Nixon Paul, who is of the opinion that Mont’ Kiara prices are trending upwards after hitting a consolidation patch last year.

“Prices in Mont’ Kiara are moving up, especially for units with a built-up area of between 1,500 and 2,000 sq ft, the reason being that people are buying for their own occupation. Those who want to remain within close vicinity of Bangsar and Hartamas find landed housing too prohibitive because prices have risen dramatically, so a Mont’ Kiara condominium unit is an alternative,” says Paul.

A double-storey landed unit in the Hartamas area is priced at about RM1.8mil, while Mont’ Kiara landed units are priced from RM4mil upwards.

Both Sittampalam and Paul say it is not possible to compare the Mont’ Kiara condo market with that of KLCC’s, as the latter is a city centre location with prices being two to 2.5 times that of Mont’ Kiara’s.

“KLCC is predominantly an investors’ market and the foreigners’ focal point is the Petronas Twin Towers. There is oversupply there too,” says Paul.

He says there are several projects in Mont’ Kiara which only have units with built-up areas starting from about 3,000 sq ft. These condominium blocks are facing huge challenges. An MK11 unit, with a built-up of 3,317 sq ft, was advertised for a monthly rental of RM12,000. An MK10 unit, with a built-up of 3,668 sq ft, was put on sale for RM3.25mil. Such asking prices are proving to be rather prohibitive.

In its latest report, CBRE Malaysia’s 2014 first-quarter report says activities in the high-end secondary condominium market remain “moderate”.

The report says they continue to see “a slight increase in the average price” for secondary transactions in KLCC, Bangsar and Mont’ Kiara (up 0.97% quarter-on-quarter to RM826 psf). Price movements during the period were most significant in Mont’ Kiara, followed by KLCC and Bangsar. Capital values in Mont’ Kiara and Bangsar have climbed by 14% and 15.63%, respectively, since the beginning of 2011. This suggests that investors continue to view opportunities in the secondary market of these prime markets compared with rising prices in the primary market.

However, the rental market remains a concern, the report says.

C H Williams Talhar & Wong’s Property Market 2014 says the supply of luxury condominiums had been rising at an average of 20% per year from 2008 to the end of 2013, representing one of the fastest-growing property segments in the period.

In 2008, there were 10,674 units in prime areas in the Klang Valley. This rose to 26,816 units by the end of 2013, an increase of 151%.

C H Williams says looking forward, the total supply will rise rapidly this year to 32,020 units, with the majority of them concentrated in KLCC, Mont’ Kiara, Ampang Hilir/U-Thant and Bangsar.

Vacancy also rose from 26% in 2008 to 35% in 2012. With the increase in the net take-up in 2013, the vacancy rate fell to 32% in 2013.
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QUOTE(pepper99 @ Aug 12 2014, 09:15 AM)
technically bigger unit will fetch higher rental.. but not all tenants can afford bigger unit n hence higher rental.. so smaller units will fetch better rental in terms of size.. for example.. my fren renting a unit in TCM for rm2.6k fully furnished around 600 sqft.. i think bro CMW123 is trying to imply this??
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What I meant was not total rental ma...but rental rate psf

For eg:

1,300 sf rental is RM3,600 so rental psf is RM2.76
1,000 sf rental is RM2,900 so rental psf is RM2.90
800 sf rental is RM2,500 so rental psf is RM3.12

So small units will have higher rental rate psf vs bigger unit

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QUOTE(QSquare @ Aug 13 2014, 01:19 PM)
Good that you posted this news here. I saw the same new being posted in one of the most well known property group in facebook. And you can guess its reception, no one focking care because it is one sensitive issue
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In investment, it is only wise to constantly feel the ground n do reality check rather than live in sendiri shiok state or self denial...haha, maybe one will learn lesson only after getting burnt like from the share market...hehe
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QUOTE(unconnected @ Aug 18 2014, 01:13 PM)
Tauke-tauke sekalian

Do we need to pay gst on housing loan? Or during the development, will we be charge on gst?
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Residential project is exempted from gst. Commercial project need to pay
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QUOTE(Jagalat @ Aug 12 2014, 06:53 PM)
Based-on the BlkE photos I have.
Total SA units (including L2) = 362
Total 596 sf studio (including L2) = 37
Total one room 8xx sf unit (including L2) = 194
Total SA with 2 rooms (including L2 + 9xx sf located at L2 to L3A) = 131

(Note: There are 3 units of 9xx sf located at L2 to L3A.
Not sure if thy have 1 or 2 rooms.
Due to their locations are right below the 2-roomers, they are classified as "2 rooms"
Feel free to make necessary adjustment if the 9xx sf are 1-roomer)

I give up on BlkH&J as my photo resolution are low.
Need other bosses for BlkH&J statistic....
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Thanks bro. Let discuss the composition of Block E and put Block J and H aside first since no statistics available.

For tenancy demand based on total number of units:

Studio = 10%
1 room = 54%
2 rooms = 36%

Cheras, being a chinese market, guess the statement from the Star article is even more valid: "The point is, with an average monthly rental of RM3,000, a young Malaysian may as well buy his/her own unit. Which means, the owner of a one-bedder will be seeking a foreigner to rent the place."

Therefore, for the 2 rooms unit, there will be higher demand for families to buy rather than rent[U] or few singles share and rent 1 unit together. Have u met many Cheras chinese willing to pay more than RM3k to rent a 2 rooms condo?

For the studio and 1 room, only viable for single, couple or at most 3 pax. Guess rental that they will be willing to pay should be in the region of RM1,500 to RM2,500...With that, the rental rate should be in the region of RM3.00 psf...RM1,800 for the 596 sf studio and RM2,450 for the 821 sf 1 room unit.

For single or couple who only need 1 room to rent, the studio will have an advantage becoz of the 36% (650/1800) lower rental and also only comprise 10% of total units, very little supply.

For the SOHO blocks, i foresee for those renting to use as office, there will be more takers for lower floors as high or low floors may not have much difference for office users but rental will be lower for them. My gut feel is that the percentage of office tenants for the SOHO can be quite high for EKC.

If u have been to Cheras Business Centre, u will see that the occupancy for the ground floor shop and the offices is very high. During office hours, there is no chance of getting a car park. U can check the rental there below:

http://www.iproperty.com.my/property/searc...rmp=100&sby=apz

There would be some upgraders from Cheras Business Centre who may move over to EKC and I believed that they are willing to pay Rm3.00 psf for the SOHO, especially if EKC have more carparks available


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QUOTE(soon9913 @ Aug 18 2014, 04:32 PM)
bro, SOHO is it considered residential or to be confirmed?....
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Residential but the Custom guideline says SOHO subject to GST. Click below, go to 32) Property Developer and refer point 7 on Page 2.

http://gst.customs.gov.my/en/rg/Pages/rg_ig.aspx

Understand REHDA has appeal to Custom to waive all residential project from GST but have not see new black n white from Custom yet

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This lawyer not so experience one...they should collect the stamp duty when signing loan agreement, right? It is already fixed at 05.% of loan amount...

If they are rushing to stamp the loan agreement means first loan drawdown soon? brows.gif
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http://www.focusmalaysia.my/Assets/Young-b...n-studios-SoHos


Young buyers not keen on studios, SoHos
By Joseph Wong
Friday, 15 Aug 2014, 12:11 AM



While property developers have become more innovative in creating purportedly affordable studio apartments, small office/home offices (SoHos) and other small residential units, first-home buyers or middle-income earners appear to shun such offerings.

Young buyers, it appears, are more discerning than is usually thought, though some put the blame on Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM) and the raising of the real property gains tax (RPGT).

Figures from the National Property Information Centre (Napic) show the number of property transactions has declined since 2012, roughly when developers began pushing for more smaller units.

In fact, last year’s drop of 10.9% (see table) has not been matched since 1998’s massive 32.3% fall due to the 1997 financial crisis. And industry observers expect this year’s sales to be lower too.

“Transaction numbers have dropped because of a tightening in loans [criteria] by the central bank as well as the higher RPGT. These have contributed to more unsold units,” says Malaysia Property Incorporated general manager Veena Loh.

Banks are quick to confirm that many loans that would previously have been accepted are now rejected due to BNM’s stringent new criteria, but they cannot explain why buyers are less inclined towards smaller units even though they can afford them.

“Some loans were given a lower margin of finance, so instead of 90-100%, some loans are 80% and below; and many first-home buyers are unable to come up with funds to cover the difference,” says a loan officer.

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QUOTE(Jagalat @ Aug 20 2014, 05:21 PM)
Another interesting info...
According to Napic, the number of property transactions has declined since 2012, roughly when developers began pushing for more smaller units....

Does this imply over supply in SOHO and smaller units to the market?
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Looks bad

Have not seen flood like this at jalan Cheras, but this afternoon rain was real real heavy
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http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014...-jam-in-Cheras/

MRT concrete segments fell off trailer near Billion roundabout

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thumbup.gif good developer

So in future any issues can write to them to seek clarification liao thumbup.gif
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Can we write to them n ask why the carpark plan with the marked lot is not incorporated in the S&P?

Maybe they should send a letter to all owners with the above......

What say u?

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QUOTE(MrHunter @ Sep 7 2014, 11:02 PM)
Eko Cheras has all the ingredient to be successful. Now it is all depend on Ekovest's execution. Heard Mall and Hotel's DO approved recently. But i still doubt it could complete within 4 yrs based on the structure and works required for Ekc. Of course investors may want it to be late to have LAD to subsidise the reno. Lol. But some may concern developer ll cut short certain area to deliver it an uncompleted properties like many owners facing nowadays.
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Actually the progress seems slow now because if the first SPA was dated Dec 2013, the piling should have been completed by end of this year or early next year...of which there is no clear sign yet

Maybe they were awaiting for the DO approval of the mall and hotel before complete the piling



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