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 [OFFICIAL]Rig Suggestion Q&A Thread V6!

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rav3n82
post May 22 2014, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(meeprat @ May 22 2014, 09:37 PM)
Hi folks! Looking to build a new all-purpose rig that will be used primarily as my main computer for gaming/surfing/watching movies.

Current Rig
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E7500 @ 2.93GHz
MOBO: Gigabyte EP43T-UD3L
GPU: ATI Asus EAH5750 (1GB)
Ram: 8GB

[Budget] RM1000

[Hardwares that will be re-use] Reusing RAM (I have 16gb of spare ram sticks), monitors, hard drives and DVD drive

[Games & softwares that use frequently] Random MMOs (WoW, Aion, MMO-flavour of the month tongue.gif), Thief 3 etc

[Personal preferences] As budget is a bit of a problem, I plan on reusing as many of the peripherals as I can while attempting to get a PC that will hopefully last me for the next 2-3 years with minimal upgrades. After asking around, friends have told me that I can get by with upgrading just the mobo/cpu/gpu as well as a new casing and power supply if budget permits. Hoping to get some advice from all the knowledgeable and experienced folks here biggrin.gif
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Do make sure your spare RAMs are DDR3. wink.gif

Intel Core i3 4130 - RM344
Asrock H81M-DGS - RM179
Palit GTX 750 StormX OC - RM420 (GBros)
Gigabyte GZ Series Casing - RM69
Gigabyte PoweRock 420W PSU - RM95

Total – RM1107 (prices are from Viewnet)

Optional:
Pentium Dual Core G3220 - RM174

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post May 23 2014, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(meeprat @ May 23 2014, 12:04 AM)
Aye, all of my ram sticks are DDR3 (after learning the hard way back in the day that DDR2 =/= DDR3). Just wondering tho, why the Asrock mobo instead of the more known brands like MSI/Gigabyte? I recall Asus boards seem to be the best but that usually comes with a hefty price tag sad.gif
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They're priced cheaper compared to other comparable boards from other brands. wink.gif

ASUS H81M-K - RM199
GIGABYTE H81M-S2PV - RM229
MSI H81M-P33 - RM194
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post May 23 2014, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ May 23 2014, 01:14 PM)
Intel Core i5-4460 = RM599
ASRock B85 Killer = RM299
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i5 4460 is Haswell refresh right? Can it be supported by B85 series boards?
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post May 23 2014, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ May 23 2014, 01:33 PM)
All haswell chips can be used in haswell refresh boards. That's why its still classified under LGA1150 but under Series 9 rather than Series 8.

But thats mostly based on my observations with Z97/H97 boards being compatible with our current 4770K/4770 chips.

Not so sure about the other way around. But again, it's all classified under LGA1150.
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Did a quick check on the B85 Killer CPU support list, and it can support those Haswell Refresh processors. Just would need a BIOS update I believe.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Fatal1ty%20...Killer/?cat=CPU
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post May 23 2014, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(IMBeta305 @ May 23 2014, 03:37 PM)
Hello Sifu. Want some suggestions

Im planning to build a rig between 2k-2.5k
Im thinking of getting an i3 processor and focus more of my budget on a better gc ( is that even relevant?)

For brand preference, No Asrock Mobo
prefer nvidia graphic card
and a bitfenix prodigy casing.

games to be played: bf4. bf3. dota2
-willing to top up to make my dreams come true-
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Do you need a monitor? Why settle for i3, when you can have an i5? biggrin.gif

Though if going for Bitfenix Prodigy, it may break your budget.

Intel Core i5 4440 – RM559
Asrock B85M-G – RM279
Corsair Value Ram 8GB DDR3 1600MHz – RM244
WD Caviar Blue 1TB HDD - RM179
Zotac GTX 760 AMP! Edition – RM899 (Cycom)
Cooler Master K380 Casing - RM149
FSP Hexa 500W PSU - RM149
Lite-On 24x DVDRW – RM59

Total - RM2517 (prices are from Viewnet)

Optional:
Bitfenix Prodigy-M - RM319 (lingloong)
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post May 23 2014, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(IMBeta305 @ May 23 2014, 04:16 PM)
im not sure if i choose i3 instead of i5 will it affect my gaming experience in terms of graphic, lag, etc? put more budget on graphic card

ill buy monitor seperately
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Good to strike a balance. smile.gif While Core i3 is very powerful and is sufficient for most of today's games, an i5 would be more futureproof per se.
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post May 23 2014, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(IMBeta305 @ May 23 2014, 04:22 PM)
okay ill keep that in mind. on casing part. u're saying prodigy casing too big or what. i dont get ur point ><
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If you want to go for smaller casings, even the CM N200 is also not bad.
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post May 23 2014, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(y4ng @ May 23 2014, 04:46 PM)
hmm, yes i know idealtech has a shop, thats why they are my preferred choice but gotta at least have a few vendors right?

I will try Feiton and see
ya, from c-zone, to viewnet, but which would be a better choice? i wouldn't want to walk there n kena ignore etc.
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LOL, go and try personally la. Different people have different experiences. By far, from my personal experience, I find that Cycom has always been the best in terms of customer service. biggrin.gif The worst was Jayacom, never layan me never mind, but when ask them something it feels like i'm talking to a wall. doh.gif
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post May 23 2014, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(y4ng @ May 23 2014, 05:06 PM)
cycom a lot of branch, i assume lowyat?
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Yes, that's right. biggrin.gif
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post May 24 2014, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(ts00000000 @ May 24 2014, 11:31 AM)
Yea, that is those website I needed,
I will try to find the Pilit GTX750Ti, already ask for best price from linglong  brows.gif
Btw, nvidia not a brand?
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Nvidia and AMD are basically manufacturers that produces GPUs, so in a way it's a brand, but you will not find a card that is sold and marketed as Nvidia/AMD accordingly.

Brand names are those like Palit, Gigabyte, Asus, MSI and etc, that takes those GPUs from Nvidia/AMD and then market it under their own brand name.
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post May 24 2014, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(persona93 @ May 24 2014, 04:37 PM)
Sigh, so hard sad.gif Nevermind, later I ask for recommendation with a specific budget then sifus can recommend la brows.gif
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If tight on budget and want to save RM240, then go for Zotac AMP! Edition. They come with up to 5 years warranty (3 years direct with Zotac), so no need to worry unnecessarily about defective card.

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post May 26 2014, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(munky @ May 26 2014, 08:09 AM)
not bad. may i ask where did u get these prices?

and ive never heard of asrock and gainward before. Are they good brands?

and im thinking of settling for gtx760 only, or radeon r9 280 a better option?

extra money (if any) use for more ram

comments?
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If not mistaken, the prices were quoted from Viewnet (LYP) and the GC is from IdealTech (or lingloong at Garage Sales).

Asrock is fine. Their boards are priced very reasonably compared to other brands (of comparable model), that's why they're one of the most recommended ones here. Gainward is fine too, actually they're a sub-brand from Palit Group, which is the biggest GC manufacturer in the world. wink.gif

GTX 760 and R9 280 (previously HD 7950 Boost) is roughly equivalent in terms of performance. You can go either one you wish for.

8GB RAM is pretty much sufficient for a gaming rig.
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post May 26 2014, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(munky @ May 26 2014, 11:09 AM)
Great then

Any disadvantages/advantages between geforce n radeon? Read on the net that geforce runs quieter and at lower temp compared to radeon

Is SSD that important for gaming? Ive read some comparison, the difference is about 20 secs, which im willing to wait. Up to 1 minute extra is still ok for me
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Well, both do have their own advantages. AMD has some innovations on their own namely TrueAudio and Mantle, while Nvidia has PhysX, just to name a few. You might need to google to understand further whether it has something that you're looking for. It is a myth that unfortunately does not apply to the entire product range. While it is true that AMD's highest range reference card (Hawaii based) R9 290X/290 runs up to 95C and is loud, but the same could not be said for other products at other differing price range.

The only advantage I would say SSD brings to gaming is the slightly improved loading time. It is not going to increase the FPS in any way. However, by adding a SSD into your overall build, it will definitely improve system responsiveness, opening/accessing files, OS booting is going to improve significantly. biggrin.gif
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post May 26 2014, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(munky @ May 26 2014, 11:54 AM)
Yeah i dont mind having 20 seconds slower loading time tbh. I could always use some extra time to look at fb n instagram on my phone tongue.gif

im gonna go with 2TB hdd. I dont always keep my games after finished playing.

I guess i will go for nvidia card this time.

Thanks guys
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However, if you do go with 2TB, please do avoid the WD Green as they would be slow as your main primary drive. You can consider going for Seagate Barracuda 2TB instead, since WD Blue only has until 1TB capacity IINM.
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post May 26 2014, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(maliwan @ May 26 2014, 04:15 PM)
Hi. came in browsing and end up saw ur post with this link.

Really helpful for me  thumbup.gif thx alot.

Btw guys, which input is better? vga or dvi?

if dvi, is it good to use vga-dvi adapter?

Thx in advance smile.gif
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Always go for at least DVI. VGA uses analog signal and doesn't look as good as what DVI would look like.
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post May 26 2014, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(maliwan @ May 26 2014, 04:30 PM)
Thx for reply.

1 more curiosity, does all lcd monitors nowadays come with dvi cable? or i need to get from shops?
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By right they should. I have purchased Dell and Asus monitors before, and they all come with the necessary cables you need. However, I recalled one forumer here mentioned that the Acer monitor he purchased doesn't come with a DVI cable. sweat.gif
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post May 26 2014, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(creative zn @ May 26 2014, 09:35 PM)
My rig cannot run WatchDogs........
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So, for all of you who want to play AAA games, latest, future gaming, kindly get yourself starting with 8GB ram ok.
Im facepalm ady. No time to find another stick ram, and the copy reach tomorrow. Dang. I just look the cover till end of the week. doh.gif
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You mean you've already tried to play the game? And it simply wouldn't run with 4GB? Even with lowered settings wouldn't cut it? hmm.gif
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post May 26 2014, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(kintsuchi @ May 26 2014, 10:59 PM)
guys rekemen me cpu 3k to play BF4
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Intel Core i5 4440 - RM559
Asrock B85 Killer - RM299
Corsair Value Ram 8GB DDR3 1600MHz - RM244
Gainward GTX 770 Phantom – RM1185 (lingloong)
Seasonic S12 II 620W PSU - RM299
WD Caviar Blue 1TB HDD - RM179
Cooler Master K380 Casing - RM149
Lite-On 24x DVDRW – RM59

Total - RM2973 (prices are from Viewnet)
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QUOTE(rusyaas @ May 26 2014, 11:25 PM)
Hi it's me again with a new alternative rig option. I consulted my fren and he suggested i buy just a decent gpu and invest more on more expensive mobo so that it can last longer.

Originally:
GPU: Gainward gtx 770 rm1299
Mobo: Asrock b85m-hds rm239
Cost: rm1538

Fren-suggested adjustment
GPU:Gainward gtx 760 rm790
Mobo: Asrock Z97 extreme6 rm699
Cost: rm1489

What you guys think? I dont really care much about ultra setting 3000000x300000 resolution gaming. Just high setting on normal 24" monitor with a little room for improvements in future
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What's your CPU? Don't really see a point going for such an expensive mobo, unless you're planning on overclocking. Do note that you're not going to get any performance gain by going for an expensive mobo. If you're looking for an OC-able mobo, I would recommend going for Asrock Z97 Extreme 4 (RM579) instead.

Usually, a nice balance of CPU and GPU is the one that is going to gain you good performance in games.
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post May 27 2014, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(rusyaas @ May 27 2014, 08:42 AM)
Hi when a gpu name has 'O.C' in the end (as in Leadtek winfast gtx 760 oc) what's the difference between the same brand but without 'oc' ( as in leadtek winfast gtx760)? Is it specialized for oc users or is there something else?
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That just means that the graphic card has already been factory overclocked to run faster for you. Either cards still can further manually OC.

Example:
Leadtek GTX 760 (reference) = Core clock: 980 MHz Memory clock: 6008 MHz
http://www.leadtek.com/eng/product/1/677/intro.aspx

Leadtek GTX 760 OC = Core clock: 1111 MHz Memory clock: 6208 MHz
http://www.leadtek.com/eng/product/1/680/intro.aspx

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