Jun 6 2014, 12:38 AM
QUOTE(Owen @ Jun 5 2014, 10:11 PM)
Didn't mean to disturb your ego, Doc. I'd rather you just read and stay relevant to the thread. But I'll humour you this last time.
25% body fat
Fat guy = low tes, high est, insulin issues, leptin issues
Then goes on a diet and with workouts - just like the TS.
Still a fat guy = lower tes from diet, high est from excess fat. No energy to workout from low test and insulin resistance - quits. Or binges from leptin resistance - stays fat.
This cycle should be obvious to you as a doctor. It certainly is to anyone treading 20-25% bf, that is, the majority of the population who sits on their ass at work, drives, eats, sleeps with zero exercise. The only people who don't face these problems are the ones who maintain being at least moderately active - people like you I suppose.
CNS and adrenal fatigue - What of it? Sure if the TS keeps on pushing it like he's doing now he'll fall right into it like I did. Then most likely quit since he's hungry as a whale or pig out and fill up his fat cells again.
Calorie counting - if you had bothered to read what I wrote earlier, you'd know that there's no argument with calorie counting. Everyone will lose weight applying it. So your first response was neither here nor there to begin with.
Bottom line:
I'd rather listen to pro bodybuilders who tells me their drugs and cycles. Most of the ones I personally know don't take anything hard when they're off-season cutting because they've tried every trick in the book. Cutting is easy for them. They tell me that after nutrition, fasted brisk walking is optimal for aerobic routine. Least risk of injury, direct fat utilisation, no hunger pangs and enough spare energy to train the same day. As a doctor you'd know that tes levels and fat oxidation is highest first thing in the morning. You'd also know what doesn't happen when someone is exercising in an insulin-raised state. I hope my point is blatantly clear to you now.
After 2-3 months my log proves that this IS faster than just calorie counting and easier for the dieter in practice. The funny thing is, it's an old bodybuilding conditioning routine since pre-Arnold days - when trainers weren't as fat as they are today.
Hey Owen!25% body fat
Fat guy = low tes, high est, insulin issues, leptin issues
Then goes on a diet and with workouts - just like the TS.
Still a fat guy = lower tes from diet, high est from excess fat. No energy to workout from low test and insulin resistance - quits. Or binges from leptin resistance - stays fat.
This cycle should be obvious to you as a doctor. It certainly is to anyone treading 20-25% bf, that is, the majority of the population who sits on their ass at work, drives, eats, sleeps with zero exercise. The only people who don't face these problems are the ones who maintain being at least moderately active - people like you I suppose.
CNS and adrenal fatigue - What of it? Sure if the TS keeps on pushing it like he's doing now he'll fall right into it like I did. Then most likely quit since he's hungry as a whale or pig out and fill up his fat cells again.
Calorie counting - if you had bothered to read what I wrote earlier, you'd know that there's no argument with calorie counting. Everyone will lose weight applying it. So your first response was neither here nor there to begin with.
Bottom line:
I'd rather listen to pro bodybuilders who tells me their drugs and cycles. Most of the ones I personally know don't take anything hard when they're off-season cutting because they've tried every trick in the book. Cutting is easy for them. They tell me that after nutrition, fasted brisk walking is optimal for aerobic routine. Least risk of injury, direct fat utilisation, no hunger pangs and enough spare energy to train the same day. As a doctor you'd know that tes levels and fat oxidation is highest first thing in the morning. You'd also know what doesn't happen when someone is exercising in an insulin-raised state. I hope my point is blatantly clear to you now.
After 2-3 months my log proves that this IS faster than just calorie counting and easier for the dieter in practice. The funny thing is, it's an old bodybuilding conditioning routine since pre-Arnold days - when trainers weren't as fat as they are today.
Your points on TES, EST, Leptin etc are all valid. However, situations are RARELY (if ever) textbook perfect.
There's also too much assumption that we're currently playing upon.
The two important questions we need to know are this:
1. What type of training is TS currently undergoing?
2. How drastic of a caloric deficit is he in?
I agree that caloric reduction (Be it in the form of cardio/ diet) is the most important step in weight loss. But going on a too drastic restriction is what leads to the problems you mention. From his previous split of 5 days training on top of caloric restriction, i assume that he's setting his hormones on a kamikaze mission.
I would recommend this, TS. Find your maintenance calorie using this site: http://www.1percentedge.com/ifcalc/, and cut your calories accordingly (I personally perform well with no strength reduction with a 25% deficit daily). Only then, if you find the need to create a caloric deficit THROUGH CARDIO, then do it. I used to be fat (Not that it should be a reason you take this advice), and i f***ing loved to eat. And on days when i do 45-60mins of cardio, my appetite goes down drastically.
In regards to your training, start revolving it around strength training (there's a lot of powerlifting programs out there: Starting Strength, 5/3/1 etc) rather than high volume pump based training.
Track your progress, get stronger. On top of a proper diet (hitting macronutrient targets, NOT NECESSARILY Brown rice, broccoli, chicken breast only), it would be hard for you not to see changes in your body composition.
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