Srsly, so much keyboard warrior blood in you.

I just made a comment, someone wanted to be a hero and the poor TS still doesn't know what to do next (based on the title).

My comments were directed to TS not the other hero. So just leave it at that and stop derailing his thread.

manners and courtesy while commenting is still essential,
sighs if you still haven't realize what you did was wrong.
then there's no need of any further discussion.
Stay in denial, it but know that many don't appreciate this kind of attitude
be it in internet or real world. tata!

Hi TS.

Stop jogging immediately. On Sunday when you wake up don't eat or drink anything - zero - except WATER. Do a power-walk for 1-2 hours. Don't walk too quickly, fastest should allow you to talk slowly on the phone.

If you wanna look like Zac asap, try do this every day. You won't burn muscle. Here's a vid to convince you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YNbL7lMZqE
another
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aAQaGQ1oyE


Your diet - drop the rice and chocolate. Replace with a bit more chicken and green veges. Keep the fruits. You can have 1 fruit non-workout days, 3 fruits workout days.

Humans don't need much sugar carbs, read this:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition...o-you-need.html
75g carbs rest days, 150g carbs workout days.

This post has been edited by Owen: May 15 2014, 04:13 AM

Hello guys,

Sorry for the sudden MIA, went for holiday. I opened up my phone to check on the thread suddenly there were negativity and fighting around.

Thanks people for backing me up and its okay.

I know my boobs looks so disgusting. I walk half naked around my house also got scold by my own mom. Without the picture, i cannot show my progress. my current look.

So yeah, lets keep the thread clean and now more fighting


I still watch my calorie intake. I miss out some of my workout day due to being extremely busy or broke. But if im broke i just go for body weight training (push up etc) in the park.

Hi!

Alright. I will try power walk after this. Low intensity training.

Thank you for the video and link. Reading it thru now.

Hey bro first of all i would like to apologize if my question earlier has offended you in any way , i have no intention to do it . i asked because i really do respect your effort and determination on losing weight that much . a friend of mine is exactly like you and i really understand on how hard to lose weight and see the progress .

i wish if you or anyone else have any personal experience or know the way how to get rid of the tag skin please share it with me so i can share it with the people i know

this is my friend's dirlls..5 months progress


Keep on going bro you're making really good progress , and i mean it .
Wishing you all the best and never give up

You're absolutely right. I only disagree with jogging if one is over 13-15% bf.

I disagree. You both are not right nor are you both wrong either. Just seriously misunderstanding the concepts of fat loss.

This is such a motivational post for me. Thank you! I my self trying to get rid the tag skin and extra fat inside it. I will let you know in 4months time!

So the current hit i have been doing is something like this.

200m jogg
200m walk
200m run
100m sprint
then repeat.

the idea i get for hit is something to do with increase and decrease your heart rate at a period right?

Are you talking about the concept of diet? I think we can all agree to that.

We're talking about fat loss while maintaining as much muscle mass as possible.

you can still lose fat without cardio

I've dieted down to below 8%. Naturally. While still being able to maintain a 1000lbs total in the big 3 lifts. One of them the deadlifts being triple my bodyweight. I think i know what muscle mass preservation means.

Not saying you don't. But your posts in the thread lack details other than caloric deficit. Which we all agree is the bottom line.

My recommendation to the TS is fasted walking for people with a high degree of bodyfat percentage (alot of Msians are). This was recommended to me by a local pro bodybuilder and intl bodybuilders say the same. People can lose fat with weight training and zero cardio, but its crazy slow if hormones are out of whack.

So if it's recommended by a competing bb'er it has to be true? Disregarding the fact that they might be on AAS (not to say i have anything against AAS users) Do you want me to start linking to you prominent international nutritionists, physique IFBB competitors, natural IFPA competitors who say otherwise or say it's a mixture of both?

Explain to me what you mean by "hormones out of whack" in physiological and medical terms please? Cos as a doctor I'm curious to know what you understand by that? Metabolic damage? Have you researched the Minnesota studies, etc? What about central nervous system fatigue, adrenal fatigue etc?

The bottom line is = constant deficit for his bodyfat level. The basic law of thermodynamics apply. Energy equation balance. At his bf%, any sort of cardio will get the job done. It changes as he progresses to varying degrees of leanness.
All he needs is a sound training program (stickies).
Standard weight loss tactics (stickies).
Etc etc

Bro, I respect your determination and your courage to post your photo up here. Keep it up!

Didn't mean to disturb your ego, Doc. I'd rather you just read and stay relevant to the thread. But I'll humour you this last time.

25% body fat
Fat guy = low tes, high est, insulin issues, leptin issues
Then goes on a diet and with workouts - just like the TS.
Still a fat guy = lower tes from diet, high est from excess fat. No energy to workout from low test and insulin resistance - quits. Or binges from leptin resistance - stays fat.

This cycle should be obvious to you as a doctor. It certainly is to anyone treading 20-25% bf, that is, the majority of the population who sits on their ass at work, drives, eats, sleeps with zero exercise. The only people who don't face these problems are the ones who maintain being at least moderately active - people like you I suppose.

CNS and adrenal fatigue - What of it? Sure if the TS keeps on pushing it like he's doing now he'll fall right into it like I did. Then most likely quit since he's hungry as a whale or pig out and fill up his fat cells again.

Calorie counting - if you had bothered to read what I wrote earlier, you'd know that there's no argument with calorie counting. Everyone will lose weight applying it. So your first response was neither here nor there to begin with.

Bottom line:
I'd rather listen to pro bodybuilders who tells me their drugs and cycles. Most of the ones I personally know don't take anything hard when they're off-season cutting because they've tried every trick in the book. Cutting is easy for them. They tell me that after nutrition, fasted brisk walking is optimal for aerobic routine. Least risk of injury, direct fat utilisation, no hunger pangs and enough spare energy to train the same day. As a doctor you'd know that tes levels and fat oxidation is highest first thing in the morning. You'd also know what doesn't happen when someone is exercising in an insulin-raised state. I hope my point is blatantly clear to you now.

After 2-3 months my log proves that this IS faster than just calorie counting and easier for the dieter in practice. The funny thing is, it's an old bodybuilding conditioning routine since pre-Arnold days - when trainers weren't as fat as they are today.

High oestrogen ? And how does that happen to a male individual ? no energy to workout from low test ? Don't u get that from ur calories ? Insulin perhaps does play a role in ur glycogen levels , but i dont see how test levels affect ur energy intake especially when u state that "no energy" from low test lol .

No. Brings me back to the point, just cos it worked for pro bodybuilders.... it has to work for everyone.

"Because it worked for me," is not a valid argument. It's an emotional response given by someone who has no actual facts to substantiate what they're saying.
How can you improve something if you can't accept opinions from people. There are also things from science that is blurred.. So don't base your research in one direction.That's why there is broscience.
Broscience is not science. It's the bodybuilding equivalent of "the earth is flat." It looks at the easiest solution, without taking into account actual anatomy and physiology.
"Science is always changing," though, is the cry of people too stubborn or lazy or stupid to take the time to learn the science. Dismissing data because it doesn't agree with your particular bias, under the guise of "science is transient" fools no one.
It's also often rooted in the incorrect stance that "if some is good, more is better" (ie, protein consumption, meal frequency, glutamine, etc.)

This post has been edited by darklight79: Jun 6 2014, 12:20 AM

Excessive LISS = has been shown to reduce metabolic rate overtime. Metabolism adaptation occurs. You get to a point where you need that same amount of cardio just to maintain that weight.

Your body doesn't recognize a deficit from caloric restriction or increased activity.
Insulin/insulin spike is insignificant on a caloric deficit. People often think about pathways and the classic example is insulin. People say “I don’t want to release any insulin because it will totally block fat burning.”. The idea that if you release any insulin at all then the body totally shuts down all fat burning is completely false. It is a graded response. Metabolism isn’t a case of using on and off switches; it’s more like dimmer switches. For example, even when you are burning fat, you are actually both losing and storing body fat simultaneously. Both processes run at the same time and one is never completely on or off. It’s just that the emphasis dramatically shifts so your overall net is fat loss. Just as if you are building up muscle proteins, as you are synthesizing new proteins you are also degrading them at the same time. The body is always doing both at the same time, it’s just the ratios change and the emphasis shifts. You can’t think of metabolism as simply on and off! It is a continuum.

Btw, next time when you make an argument, try posting references to studies to back up your point. Not... "because it worked for me" and "because it worked for pro bodybuilders"


1) Wilson JM, Marin PJ, Rhea MR, Wilson SM, Loenneke JP, Anderson JC. Concurrent training: A Meta-Analysis examining interference of aerobic and resistance exercises. J Strength Cond Res. 2011 (in press).

2) Bell, GJ, Petersen, SR, Wessel, J, Bagnall, K, and Quinney, HA. Physiological adaptations to concurrent endurance training and low velocity resistance training. Int J Sports Med 12: 384–390, 1991

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/blogs/go-healthy...-124652964.html

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/27/d...-burn-more-fat/

Abstract :-

http://journals.lww.com/nsca-scj/Abstract/...mize_Fat.3.aspx

This post has been edited by darklight79: Jun 6 2014, 12:48 AM