x 2. Time. Consistency. Watching calorie intake = win.

No such thing as sorry. I think you're very rude to make comments like this. I respect the threadstarter for having the courage to post his pics and ask for help. If you have nothing constructive to comment, don't post!

So tell me. WTF does -------------> "Sorry arr....your boobs look like my maid's, not that I have seen hers but I can imagine coz she's not that big....a bit like yours." <-------------

Don't give me crap. I'm screenshotting this. And lemme post this on a public bb forum and see if people think your comments are legit.

If you have nothing nice to say, don't say it. Unless you have the intention of saying it.

Eg. You post a pic of your gf or your mom, and I say, yeah man, I'm sorry i know she's your gf but she looks like crap, she should get plastic surgery ----->"just sayin"<-----, so that she'll look better y'know? or.... hey man her cellulite looks like Jabba the Hutt ----->just sayin<----, but yeah she can do better, and well done actually being able to get a gf, cos it's constructive criticism.

So whatever context you want to take it right? So why give a stupid example like someone's boobs looking like your maids? So hey? You actually seen your maid's tits? I'm sorry but if really, IF you did see your maid's tits, there is something seriously wrong with you.

So you tell me to get off my high horse. I'll tell YOU, to get your eyes off your maid's tits and enjoy life a bit. Unless you're enjoying life doing that la?

This post has been edited by darklight79: May 11 2014, 07:46 PM

I disagree. You both are not right nor are you both wrong either. Just seriously misunderstanding the concepts of fat loss.

I've dieted down to below 8%. Naturally. While still being able to maintain a 1000lbs total in the big 3 lifts. One of them the deadlifts being triple my bodyweight. I think i know what muscle mass preservation means.

So if it's recommended by a competing bb'er it has to be true? Disregarding the fact that they might be on AAS (not to say i have anything against AAS users) Do you want me to start linking to you prominent international nutritionists, physique IFBB competitors, natural IFPA competitors who say otherwise or say it's a mixture of both?

Explain to me what you mean by "hormones out of whack" in physiological and medical terms please? Cos as a doctor I'm curious to know what you understand by that? Metabolic damage? Have you researched the Minnesota studies, etc? What about central nervous system fatigue, adrenal fatigue etc?

The bottom line is = constant deficit for his bodyfat level. The basic law of thermodynamics apply. Energy equation balance. At his bf%, any sort of cardio will get the job done. It changes as he progresses to varying degrees of leanness.
All he needs is a sound training program (stickies).
Standard weight loss tactics (stickies).
Etc etc

No. Brings me back to the point, just cos it worked for pro bodybuilders.... it has to work for everyone.

"Because it worked for me," is not a valid argument. It's an emotional response given by someone who has no actual facts to substantiate what they're saying.
How can you improve something if you can't accept opinions from people. There are also things from science that is blurred.. So don't base your research in one direction.That's why there is broscience.
Broscience is not science. It's the bodybuilding equivalent of "the earth is flat." It looks at the easiest solution, without taking into account actual anatomy and physiology.
"Science is always changing," though, is the cry of people too stubborn or lazy or stupid to take the time to learn the science. Dismissing data because it doesn't agree with your particular bias, under the guise of "science is transient" fools no one.
It's also often rooted in the incorrect stance that "if some is good, more is better" (ie, protein consumption, meal frequency, glutamine, etc.)

This post has been edited by darklight79: Jun 6 2014, 12:20 AM

Excessive LISS = has been shown to reduce metabolic rate overtime. Metabolism adaptation occurs. You get to a point where you need that same amount of cardio just to maintain that weight.

Your body doesn't recognize a deficit from caloric restriction or increased activity.
Insulin/insulin spike is insignificant on a caloric deficit. People often think about pathways and the classic example is insulin. People say “I don’t want to release any insulin because it will totally block fat burning.”. The idea that if you release any insulin at all then the body totally shuts down all fat burning is completely false. It is a graded response. Metabolism isn’t a case of using on and off switches; it’s more like dimmer switches. For example, even when you are burning fat, you are actually both losing and storing body fat simultaneously. Both processes run at the same time and one is never completely on or off. It’s just that the emphasis dramatically shifts so your overall net is fat loss. Just as if you are building up muscle proteins, as you are synthesizing new proteins you are also degrading them at the same time. The body is always doing both at the same time, it’s just the ratios change and the emphasis shifts. You can’t think of metabolism as simply on and off! It is a continuum.

Btw, next time when you make an argument, try posting references to studies to back up your point. Not... "because it worked for me" and "because it worked for pro bodybuilders"


1) Wilson JM, Marin PJ, Rhea MR, Wilson SM, Loenneke JP, Anderson JC. Concurrent training: A Meta-Analysis examining interference of aerobic and resistance exercises. J Strength Cond Res. 2011 (in press).

2) Bell, GJ, Petersen, SR, Wessel, J, Bagnall, K, and Quinney, HA. Physiological adaptations to concurrent endurance training and low velocity resistance training. Int J Sports Med 12: 384–390, 1991

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/blogs/go-healthy...-124652964.html

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/27/d...-burn-more-fat/

Abstract :-

http://journals.lww.com/nsca-scj/Abstract/...mize_Fat.3.aspx

This post has been edited by darklight79: Jun 6 2014, 12:48 AM