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 4 Critical Signs of a Bubble Market V6, Signs are already there in Malaysia

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post Jun 2 2014, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(timesrun @ Jun 2 2014, 11:45 AM)
Do you know how many outside people are preparing fake document and report fake tax just to borrow million and billion from bank? I borrowed million and billion just by submitting fake document. But in my bank account or if I sold the house I got million and billion although I was bankrupt. Do you think people really care and he or she richfag. Secondly, the value of the house I can get valuer I know value and markup high high and get bank loan by just giving duit KOPI. Why cant? Can you see the crisis? Can you see the burst?  whistling.gif    cool2.gif
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No lar. Where got people like that. You think so easy to fake document ar. Please la. Bank is not stupid. laugh.gif
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post Jun 2 2014, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(timesrun @ Jun 2 2014, 11:24 AM)
Now increase more...many more will do songlap. You know what, I have a group of friends buying whole end block and

mark up the price and sell high high to people. In the end, the more consumers borrow, they will be more happy.. This

crisis gonna burst all investor to hell.  laugh.gif  nod.gif
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Buyer is not investor la. It is sui yi. Investor bought during launch. Sui yi bought from investor. Ada paham? nod.gif
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post Jun 2 2014, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(timesrun @ Jun 2 2014, 01:12 PM)
I did before I don know??  laugh.gif  nod.gif  You come pay me 50k I get you 2 to 3 mil. Wanna try? I can help  rolleyes.gif  thumbup.gif
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Now very strict already. Last time they don't really check.
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post Jun 2 2014, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(timesrun @ Jun 2 2014, 01:17 PM)
Oh..ada paham dah..  laugh.gif
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Dun pray pray. Sui yi in Klang Valley manyak oh. drool.gif So we as investor must buy a lot during launch to sell to sui yi. rclxm9.gif
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post Jun 2 2014, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(zenjet @ Jun 2 2014, 01:24 PM)
Then got dead chicken you oso don wan? die die buy launch units?
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well, dead chicken dun always have. So while waiting for dead chicken, just snap up every new launch will do. After VP sure UP UP UP rclxm9.gif
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post Jun 2 2014, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(timesrun @ Jun 2 2014, 02:14 PM)
Please don't feed yourself with DDD blog. You should read more UUU blog rclxm9.gif
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post Jun 2 2014, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(timesrun @ Jun 2 2014, 02:30 PM)
I want to read more UUU blog but no more UUU blog and all already DDD....  laugh.gif    cry.gif
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Sure got one:-

http://www.theantdaily.com/Hot-Topics/Wher...market-heading/

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Where is the property market heading?
Last updated on 29/05/2014 - 19:21
28/05/2014 - 14:00 ShareThis     
Vincent Lim
OPINION: Three months have passed since the authorities announced several measures to keep property prices in check. Smaller margin of financing, higher property gains tax upon disposal and a ban on the developer interest bearing scheme (DIBS) are some of them.

In the absence of official figures to determine whether such measures are living up to expectations, the next best yardstick is to get a feel from property developers and other players associated with the industry, such as real estate agents, conveyancing lawyers and bankers.

Even if there is a concerted effort to compile such findings, it will always be a few months late and the data may not reflect the true scenario.

Twenty-four years ago, my previous company hired a professional research house to determine the supply, demand and pricing of residential properties in Cheras.

The findings concluded that supply outstripped demand and therefore for the project to succeed, the properties must go below a certain price.

We went against the findings, priced the properties above the average and embarked on a heavy promotional campaign. We sold out within four months of our launch.

In 2004, we carried out a market impact assessment study for our project in Mont Kiara as part of a requirement for our bridging finance facilities. We engaged a property valuer who found the project could, at its best, be sold for around RM380 per sq ft (psf). Again, we went against the report and sold out the project within four months at an average price of RM470 psf.

A year later, the same property valuer was hired to carry out another study for our next project. This time, they determined the figure to be around RM500 psf. You guessed it; we went for an average price of RM570 psf and sold out the first phase. The subsequent three phases continued to be sold out at higher prices.

The scenarios clearly indicate that no one knows where the property market will be heading. One can only make an educated guess. The famous 10-year property cycle that everyone talks about is merely a theory. If it really holds water, then why has the famous Japanese property bubble that burst in the early 1990s not recovered until today?

Property experts will be quick to provide justifications – that Japan is probably an exception; that the prices had gone too high, that it would take 20 years to recover and at the end of that, someone will say it will take 30 years and so on.

With this in mind, I am careful when friends ask my opinion on where the property market is heading. No one can be certain what the future holds. Remember that all property readings are just predictions.

Here are some salient points that one should consider before delving into an uncertain property market:

➤        Never read the property market and its cycle in isolation. Always consider the economy which is highly dependent on four main facets: foreign direct investment, export, domestic consumption and government fiscal spending.

➤        Keep an eye on the unemployment rate. As long as the people are employed, non-performing loans are likely to be kept at bay and property prices will remain stable, if not, continue to rise.

➤        Location and concept no longer dictate property price performance. Property play is beginning to appear like a financial game. As long as banks are willing to lend, property prices will continue to rise. In spite of the wisdom of the Central Bank to curb overheating, the market will eventually adjust itself according to the forces of supply and demand.

➤        Inflation, rising cost of building materials, increased wages and higher land cost, among others, significantly affect property prices in the primary market. The Goods and Services Tax to be introduced in 2015 will have an impact on building materials.

➤        When properties are priced beyond the reach of the buying public, there is a possibility a two-generation loan tenure will be introduced to make repayment affordable. Japan offered a 100-year multi generation property loan in 1990 and Singapore a 50-year tenure in 2012. Such measures, if not curbed, will continue to fuel property prices.

➤        Banks are in the business of lending. Property loans are asset-backed and hence relatively safe. In pursuit of loan growth, banks in collaboration with property developers will come up with creative packages that work within Central Bank guidelines.

➤        The property industry is treading on dangerous grounds when we see the emergence of inexperience short-term players jumping into the bandwagon, thinking the business is lucrative.

Vincent Lim’s early career covered journalism, marketing and public affairs. This life member of the Harvard Business School Alumni Club of Malaysia recently retired as COO and executive director of a boutique property development company.

This article was first published in the April 5, 2014 issue of The Heat.

- See more at: http://www.theantdaily.com/Hot-Topics/Wher...h.4X0cYShM.dpuf

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post Jun 2 2014, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(timesrun @ Jun 2 2014, 03:00 PM)
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101721209
Guys guys.... the reality and facts and crash is freaking near..  bye.gif  bye.gif
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Last time Khazanah also adsorb debts. Now Khazanah is rich!!!
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post Jun 3 2014, 08:09 AM

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QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Jun 2 2014, 11:58 PM)
Khazanah absorded Oomno's cronies and glc's debt.
Other ppl's debts , sendiri tangong lor....  bye.gif
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Yeah, I always spell the adsorb wrongly laugh.gif
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post Jun 3 2014, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(Anon_1986 @ Jun 3 2014, 08:58 AM)
Hmmm you should read the article first before categorising it.

That blog post is not ddd and in fact has nothing to do with property.

What it says is that the academic studies relied upon to support fiscal austerity for crisis management were wrong. This was long known, as the study only showed correlation not causation, and the latest study (which I did not read) merely confirms this.
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I'm sorry. After I post my comment, I go read it and found that it only relates to austerity measure which has nothing to do with property. Since the poster always related to DDD, I thought the link is about DDD. Its my fault. Please forgive me.
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post Jun 4 2014, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(MishimaZ @ Jun 4 2014, 10:26 AM)
Francis Yeoh also speaks out:

Property The Best Investment.... Evar!!!

Well, whatever.
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LOL, buy YTL Corp. Hahahahaha

But what he said got truth. RM3k salary buy RM700k house is norm now.

I went to property fair last weekend and I overheard the Condo Sales Agent tell the buyer, after discount, the price is RM650k only. Cheap cheap only laugh.gif .
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post Jun 10 2014, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 10 2014, 11:06 AM)
I also agreed previous few years rise has due to a lot of speculation, but at the same time, we have income growth across.

It is almost impossible to have someone work on 2008, after 6 years, did not get payrise at least 20~50% in this 6 years time, somemore we had min wages introduced last year that drive up the wages level especially at low level one.

The rise of property price since 2008 has several factors
1. Low interest rate
2. QE
3. Inflation, people worry about negative real interest rate, hence flocking to hard asset
4. Rise in income, including public sector also get decent payrise in the last few years since 2008. Good bonuses for finance sector and O&G sector etc.

It is not solely on speculation alone.
Yes, speculation did make it "hot" that rise of 100% in 3-4 years which is not something sustainable throughout, but there are fundamental factors that support the property price rise behind as well.
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I think 2011 to 2014 is driven purely by DIBS.
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post Jun 10 2014, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 10 2014, 11:16 AM)
I agreed from 2011 to 2014, rise has a lot to do with speculation, but I do not agree the rise from 2008 is because of speculation.

2008~2010 was the aftermath global financial crisis, generally people are more scared to make huge speculation just after a major crisis, as many may be hit hard by the crisis as well.
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The price increased the most from 2011 to 2014. Let's say a house price is double. Means 100% increase from 2008. 30% is from 2008 to 2011. But from 2011 to 2014, the increase is 70%.

All this is due to 100% in DIBS. No downpayment. Everyone can buy now. rclxms.gif
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post Jun 10 2014, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 10 2014, 02:33 PM)
I wonder how would mega developments like IJM's Pantai Sentral Park cope when under construction units are completed in 2018? Would investors be cashing in on good appreciation?
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Yes, that 2018 time, I estimate all 700k condo become 1.4m condo. icon_idea.gif
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post Jun 10 2014, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jun 10 2014, 02:37 PM)
welcome the new milionares in 2018, gogo2.. if sold..
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Yes, I will become millionaire. Thanks to suiyi for pushing the price up for me. I'm actually very excited now just to think about it. wub.gif
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QUOTE(timesrun @ Jun 10 2014, 02:39 PM)
By that time...2018.. you already HOLAND lo.. No chance to enjoy.. Poorfag  doh.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif  doh.gif
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Poorfag no condo la. I got condo. So is richfag rclxms.gif
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post Jun 10 2014, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(timesrun @ Jun 10 2014, 02:44 PM)
Pity you...  ohmy.gif  cry.gif  nod.gif
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No need to pity. Come join me.

QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jun 10 2014, 02:47 PM)
So many versions already.. no need insult feast.. time wil prove who is wrong and right..

the coming obstacles which might hike prop price is GST.. after that ..hmm no one knows.. but prop price gotta settle down after that
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Yalor.. sad.gif

QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 10 2014, 02:51 PM)
You don't know you are at the peak until you roll down.

You don't know how deep the hole until fall into it.

It is easy to look back 1997 crisis, this result this and that,
look back 2008 subprime, see, I told you subprime is bad etc.

But when one actually in it and the outcome is not known yet, you never know how serious the crisis will be, or crisis won't as big or what will be the outcome.

Look at how media and analyst said how bad the Euro crisis, and little economist can give proper solution to solve it.
But now Euro stock market at all time high, Euro stay at elevated level, the Euro debt crisis seems like never happen before.

See how media said how bad China property bubble, how serious shadow banking could be, but after so many years, still little thing happen, life goes on, economy growth still at robust rate.

So when Thailand Baht being hit by international speculators at starting point time, it could be just a hiccup.
Little punters or people expect a crisis was brewing.

Previous statement claim central bankers are economists that have the ability to know crisis ahead, why they fail to acknowledge the 1997 crisis before it exploded?
If those economist central bankers knew ahead, they should shut the door against the currency speculator, and crisis averted in the first place, then we won't have 1997 crisis.
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Seems like you're saying we don't know how huge the bubble FED and all bank in the world is creating. Once popped, this will be the most massive financial disaster ever made? blink.gif You sure or not? icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 10 2014, 03:14 PM)
If I have crystal ball to know there is bubble created by Fed, and will pop one day, I will short the market, instead interested to post a statement afterwards, I told you so, or see, xyz economy theory said so.

I will buy put option, put warrant, short the index massively.

Time exactly, predict exactly when bubble pop? It is as easy as guessing a lottery number. 
But may be economist has the ability to predict it, which I ordinary person do not have.  tongue.gif
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err... I thought everyone agree there's a bubble created by FED and other world and shadow bank like China?

The only thing that we are worried is whether the bubble is popped.

But based on current environment, some said bubble is deflating instead of pop. So it is good. This is because FED is tapering off the QE. Not remove right away.

So means, property price won't drop. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 10 2014, 03:20 PM)
Few if any politicians would curtail public feel good factor even if it could lead to disaster later, and central bankers won't want to be seen the person to derail economy expansion. Hence, bubble is assured from time to time.
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I scared someone in the bank think this is good time to redistribute the wealth by popping the bubble icon_question.gif
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post Jun 10 2014, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 10 2014, 03:27 PM)
So back to my question, what do you think will happen in 2016-2018? Will we see a slump or a continued boom?
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According to YTL Francis Yeoh, continued boom.

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